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Offline wily ole dog

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O.P. « 2013-May-24, 10:17 AM »
Is it my imagination or is Darren Weir seemingly getting into trouble with the stewards on a regular basis


From Racenet

Weir fined over positive swab
Victoria’s leading trainer Darren Weir was fined $7000 by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board on Thursday after pleading guilty to a charge stemming from the prohibited substance found in a sample from his galloper Doing Our Best.
A sample taken from Doing Our Best after it won the Porter Plant Maiden Plate (1200m) at Ballarat  on February 16 showed Frusemide which is a diuretic.

On top of the fine Doing Our Best was disqualified from its first placing
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« 2013-May-24, 04:54 PM Reply #1 »
Actually this may not be a bad thing for the stable.

Horse wins its maiden as well supported second favourite.
Assume the stable got well over $7k out of the win.
Horse subsequently swabs positive and gets disqualified (Trainer fined $7k, no other repercussions).
Stable now get another crack at a maiden and win on the punt again.

Sweet!

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« 2013-May-24, 04:55 PM Reply #2 »
Wasnt there a heap of issues over a bonus at the Bool a few years back?

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« 2013-May-24, 05:07 PM Reply #3 »
Yes, favourite and last leg of the win a car trainer bonus and he was caught with tubing gear and an unknown substance in a plastic bag from memory, horse was a late scratching

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« 2013-May-24, 05:09 PM Reply #4 »
He ccertainly seems a "scallywag" in the same vein as Leon Cotstens

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« 2013-Nov-17, 09:34 PM Reply #5 »
Anyone see any similarities between the run of Platelet on Saturday, and that of Howmuchdoyouloveme, the week it was caught being drenched?
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« 2014-May-01, 06:44 PM Reply #6 »
2014 Warrnambool Cup result - Akzar accelerates away

Rob Nicholson - 1/05/2014


Imported galloper Akzar accelerated away from his rivals in the $200,000 Listed Sungold Milk Warrnambool Cup (2350m) on Thursday giving his trainer Darren Weir his second win in the race and a set of keys to a brand new Mercedes.

Akzar was the heavily supported favourite for the feature and exploded away when jockey Brad Rawiller pressed the button in the straight.

Akzar ($3 fav) romped home to win by six lengths, ahead of Robert Smerdon's WestSouthWest ($14), with the Saab Hasan-trained Shoreham ($21) a further half-length away third.

The win secured the trainer's bonus on offer at Warrnambool for Weir. Akzar was his seventh winner over the three days for the stable.

"It's great, everyone works hard at home and the boys at Warrnambool do a great job,” Weir told TVN. "They are a big part of it and it's a big thrill for everyone.

"He just loves beach life and they've got him worked out, Daniel (Bowman) and his team down at Warrnambool, and he looked fantastic in the yard I thought today.

"People might have thought he looked a bit light, but he looked fit to me. He ran out the trip well and the ground was obviously good for him and Brad rode him to perfection.

"I don't know what we do now, we might head to Brisbane with him but will just enjoy today.”

Brad Rawiller continued his great run with the Weir stable after winning the Australasian Oaks at Morphettville aboard May’s Dream last Saturday.

"Darren keeps doing it time and time again, he did it with May's Dream on Saturday and now he's done it with Akzar,” Rawiller said.

"So many good plans don't necessarily work out but I am rapt for Darren and the connections.

"It couldn't have turned out better, he was going so good and was never going to beaten.”


Nice result for Darren a Mercedes. :beer:

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« 2014-May-01, 07:13 PM Reply #7 »
A great day for Weir stable and boy Stevie Payne really enjoyed it even though someone had to take hold of his horse a couple of times as he was concentrating on the cameraman taking his photo...real cute.  :noteworthy:

Do they only get the car for a year or do they keep it??? like the Starmaker Winner does at Tamworth they use it for a year.

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« 2014-May-03, 04:47 AM Reply #8 »
Rob Blacker must be a tad miffed at the massive reversal in Akzar's form

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« 2014-May-03, 07:32 AM Reply #9 »
Akzar is a very very good Horse me thinks,  :chin:
clearly has a better Cup in it.

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« 2014-May-03, 09:25 AM Reply #10 »
Akzar is a very very good Horse me thinks,  :chin:
clearly has a better Cup in it.

Says a lot about Our Voodoo Prince  :whistle:

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« 2014-May-03, 12:06 PM Reply #11 »
Should of beaten it, with any luck Gin.
Voodoo held up for 150, Akzar 175.
I think it covered 3200m the other day at the bool.

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« 2015-Nov-04, 07:11 PM Reply #12 »
With all the talk about Michelle Payne riding the Cup winner, I think many have forgotten what a brilliant training effort it was by Weir to have the horse spot on and win a Melbourne Cup with a horse of POP ability.

You have to give him credit where it is due, he has been an extremely successful trainer in Vic in recent years  and has now won the Melbourne Cup   emthup


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« 2015-Nov-05, 08:00 AM Reply #13 »
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?

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« 2015-Nov-05, 09:49 AM Reply #14 »
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?

It was because everyone, including me, went stupid over "the internationals" and assumed they were lengths better than our own home grown.

Never again  :dry:

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« 2015-Nov-05, 09:59 AM Reply #15 »
It was because everyone, including me, went stupid over "the internationals" and assumed they were lengths better than our own home grown.

Never again  :dry:


The race was run 7 seconds outside race record time, and when that happens, it allows for rough/unexpected results.


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« 2015-Nov-05, 10:21 AM Reply #16 »

The race was run 7 seconds outside race record time, and when that happens, it allows for rough/unexpected results.


Yes but those adverse conditions didn't selectively pick out the international runners and say "here cop this".

I think our staying stocks are improving - both home bred and the fact we are importing them, and to acknowledge Authorized's point he has been making, I think our training of stayers has been improving as a result.

Trainers like the subject of this thread, Chris Waller, Johnny Sargent, etc. seem to do a good job with an improved stock base.

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« 2015-Nov-05, 10:31 AM Reply #17 »
Yes but those adverse conditions didn't selectively pick out the international runners and say "here cop this".

I think our staying stocks are improving - both home bred and the fact we are importing them, and to acknowledge Authorized's point he has been making, I think our training of stayers has been improving as a result.

Trainers like the subject of this thread, Chris Waller, Johnny Sargent, etc. seem to do a good job with an improved stock base.

The internationals did run 3 of the first 5 over the line.  :bulb:

Don't get sucked into Authorized's incorrect belief that the foreigners are "better" trainers of stayers

The stats suggest the Aus trainers are far superior with the equivilant breeds

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« 2015-Nov-05, 10:43 AM Reply #18 »
The internationals did run 3 of the first 5 over the line.  :bulb:

Don't get sucked into Authorized's incorrect belief that the foreigners are "better" trainers of stayers

The stats suggest the Aus trainers are far superior with the equivilant breeds

Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.

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« 2015-Nov-05, 11:06 AM Reply #19 »
Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.

From memory, in excess of 80% of races in Aus are at 1600m and below.

The breeders and sales companies have major influence and want people getting a quick result via 2yo and 3yo sprinters, so the owners can buy again next year.

Stayers take time to develop.
Why would an owner or trainer buy, breed or train a staying bred youngster in Australia, given the stats?

Makes sense to buy a tried one from Europe, if you want to chase those races.

But, some don't seem to understand that

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« 2015-Nov-05, 11:13 AM Reply #20 »
Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.

I would respectfully question that last bit SW.

I think the prizemoney is actually skewed toward "non sprints".

Australia's richest races (off the top of my head):

Melb. Cup 3200m
QE2 Stks 2000m
Golden Slipper 1200m
Cox Plate 2040m
Caulfield Cup 2400m
Tancred 2400m

- are they the races over $2 million? I'm sure someone will jump down my throat if I've missed one :)

But you could hardly say that prizemoney is skewed toward sprints.

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« 2015-Nov-05, 11:57 AM Reply #21 »
I would respectfully question that last bit SW.

I think the prizemoney is actually skewed toward "non sprints".

Australia's richest races (off the top of my head):

Melb. Cup 3200m
QE2 Stks 2000m
Golden Slipper 1200m
Cox Plate 2040m
Caulfield Cup 2400m
Tancred 2400m

- are they the races over $2 million? I'm sure someone will jump down my throat if I've missed one :)

But you could hardly say that prizemoney is skewed toward sprints.


3 of the races you have listed are within weeks of each other and over the year Australia has an enormous amount of Group races(not sure how most qualify) but the total prize money spread over the year caters less for staying types surely.
Japan has 22 G1s 12 are 2000m or more.
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« 2015-Nov-05, 12:06 PM Reply #22 »
3 of the races you have listed are within weeks of each other and over the year Australia has an enormous amount of Group races(not sure how most qualify) but the total prize money spread over the year caters less for staying types surely.
Japan has 22 G1s 12 are 2000m or more.


The race clubs in Australia have a policy of, outside of feature races, equivalent prizemoney, regardless of distance or class.

There are more sprint races (obviously), so the gross amount spent on prizemoney for sprints would be more.

But averaging out prizemoney per sprint race vs. per staying race, I have no doubt that staying races would be well ahead. So I suppose it comes down to semantics. Are we talking about the gross amount or the average per race  :)

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« 2015-Nov-05, 03:35 PM Reply #23 »
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?

He was considered a C grader

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« 2015-Nov-05, 06:49 PM Reply #24 »
I Think C grader was or is harsh. He beat Extra Zero in a lead up to the mornington cup where he has beaten less than a length as a lightly raced 4yo. That was only his 9th star so he was a stayer of promise @ 4yo
Then last spring he just got beat in the Moe cup, won the Mooney Valley Cup and the ran a bottler in the QE stakes and Zipping Classic.

In the old days before the over hyped and over rated imports that was great form on the back of his track record run last start

We just dont trust the local form enough. Gust of Wind being sent out at $40 & Criterion @ $20 proves that much atleast
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