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Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2013-May-24, 10:17 AM
Is it my imagination or is Darren Weir seemingly getting into trouble with the stewards on a regular basis


From Racenet

Weir fined over positive swab
Victoria’s leading trainer Darren Weir was fined $7000 by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board on Thursday after pleading guilty to a charge stemming from the prohibited substance found in a sample from his galloper Doing Our Best.
A sample taken from Doing Our Best after it won the Porter Plant Maiden Plate (1200m) at Ballarat  on February 16 showed Frusemide which is a diuretic.

On top of the fine Doing Our Best was disqualified from its first placing
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Lert on 2013-May-24, 04:54 PM
Actually this may not be a bad thing for the stable.

Horse wins its maiden as well supported second favourite.
Assume the stable got well over $7k out of the win.
Horse subsequently swabs positive and gets disqualified (Trainer fined $7k, no other repercussions).
Stable now get another crack at a maiden and win on the punt again.

Sweet!
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2013-May-24, 04:55 PM
Wasnt there a heap of issues over a bonus at the Bool a few years back?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: MagiC~* on 2013-May-24, 05:07 PM
Yes, favourite and last leg of the win a car trainer bonus and he was caught with tubing gear and an unknown substance in a plastic bag from memory, horse was a late scratching

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Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2013-May-24, 05:09 PM
He ccertainly seems a "scallywag" in the same vein as Leon Cotstens
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: D-G on 2013-Nov-17, 09:34 PM
Anyone see any similarities between the run of Platelet on Saturday, and that of Howmuchdoyouloveme, the week it was caught being drenched?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-May-01, 06:44 PM
2014 Warrnambool Cup result - Akzar accelerates away

Rob Nicholson - 1/05/2014


Imported galloper Akzar accelerated away from his rivals in the $200,000 Listed Sungold Milk Warrnambool Cup (2350m) on Thursday giving his trainer Darren Weir his second win in the race and a set of keys to a brand new Mercedes.

Akzar was the heavily supported favourite for the feature and exploded away when jockey Brad Rawiller pressed the button in the straight.

Akzar ($3 fav) romped home to win by six lengths, ahead of Robert Smerdon's WestSouthWest ($14), with the Saab Hasan-trained Shoreham ($21) a further half-length away third.

The win secured the trainer's bonus on offer at Warrnambool for Weir. Akzar was his seventh winner over the three days for the stable.

"It's great, everyone works hard at home and the boys at Warrnambool do a great job,” Weir told TVN. "They are a big part of it and it's a big thrill for everyone.

"He just loves beach life and they've got him worked out, Daniel (Bowman) and his team down at Warrnambool, and he looked fantastic in the yard I thought today.

"People might have thought he looked a bit light, but he looked fit to me. He ran out the trip well and the ground was obviously good for him and Brad rode him to perfection.

"I don't know what we do now, we might head to Brisbane with him but will just enjoy today.”

Brad Rawiller continued his great run with the Weir stable after winning the Australasian Oaks at Morphettville aboard May’s Dream last Saturday.

"Darren keeps doing it time and time again, he did it with May's Dream on Saturday and now he's done it with Akzar,” Rawiller said.

"So many good plans don't necessarily work out but I am rapt for Darren and the connections.

"It couldn't have turned out better, he was going so good and was never going to beaten.”


Nice result for Darren a Mercedes. :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: koolcat on 2014-May-01, 07:13 PM
A great day for Weir stable and boy Stevie Payne really enjoyed it even though someone had to take hold of his horse a couple of times as he was concentrating on the cameraman taking his photo...real cute.  :noteworthy:

Do they only get the car for a year or do they keep it??? like the Starmaker Winner does at Tamworth they use it for a year.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-May-03, 04:47 AM
Rob Blacker must be a tad miffed at the massive reversal in Akzar's form
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: qwertyu1234567 on 2014-May-03, 07:32 AM
Akzar is a very very good Horse me thinks,  :chin:
clearly has a better Cup in it.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2014-May-03, 09:25 AM
Akzar is a very very good Horse me thinks,  :chin:
clearly has a better Cup in it.

Says a lot about Our Voodoo Prince  :whistle:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: qwertyu1234567 on 2014-May-03, 12:06 PM
Should of beaten it, with any luck Gin.
Voodoo held up for 150, Akzar 175.
I think it covered 3200m the other day at the bool.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: D-G on 2015-Nov-04, 07:11 PM
With all the talk about Michelle Payne riding the Cup winner, I think many have forgotten what a brilliant training effort it was by Weir to have the horse spot on and win a Melbourne Cup with a horse of POP ability.

You have to give him credit where it is due, he has been an extremely successful trainer in Vic in recent years  and has now won the Melbourne Cup   emthup

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Authorized on 2015-Nov-05, 08:00 AM
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-05, 09:49 AM
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?

It was because everyone, including me, went stupid over "the internationals" and assumed they were lengths better than our own home grown.

Never again  :dry:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: D-G on 2015-Nov-05, 09:59 AM
It was because everyone, including me, went stupid over "the internationals" and assumed they were lengths better than our own home grown.

Never again  :dry:


The race was run 7 seconds outside race record time, and when that happens, it allows for rough/unexpected results.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-05, 10:21 AM

The race was run 7 seconds outside race record time, and when that happens, it allows for rough/unexpected results.


Yes but those adverse conditions didn't selectively pick out the international runners and say "here cop this".

I think our staying stocks are improving - both home bred and the fact we are importing them, and to acknowledge Authorized's point he has been making, I think our training of stayers has been improving as a result.

Trainers like the subject of this thread, Chris Waller, Johnny Sargent, etc. seem to do a good job with an improved stock base.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: D-G on 2015-Nov-05, 10:31 AM
Yes but those adverse conditions didn't selectively pick out the international runners and say "here cop this".

I think our staying stocks are improving - both home bred and the fact we are importing them, and to acknowledge Authorized's point he has been making, I think our training of stayers has been improving as a result.

Trainers like the subject of this thread, Chris Waller, Johnny Sargent, etc. seem to do a good job with an improved stock base.

The internationals did run 3 of the first 5 over the line.  :bulb:

Don't get sucked into Authorized's incorrect belief that the foreigners are "better" trainers of stayers

The stats suggest the Aus trainers are far superior with the equivilant breeds
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: specialweek on 2015-Nov-05, 10:43 AM
The internationals did run 3 of the first 5 over the line.  :bulb:

Don't get sucked into Authorized's incorrect belief that the foreigners are "better" trainers of stayers

The stats suggest the Aus trainers are far superior with the equivilant breeds

Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: D-G on 2015-Nov-05, 11:06 AM
Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.

From memory, in excess of 80% of races in Aus are at 1600m and below.

The breeders and sales companies have major influence and want people getting a quick result via 2yo and 3yo sprinters, so the owners can buy again next year.

Stayers take time to develop.
Why would an owner or trainer buy, breed or train a staying bred youngster in Australia, given the stats?

Makes sense to buy a tried one from Europe, if you want to chase those races.

But, some don't seem to understand that
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-05, 11:13 AM
Are there many staying races in Australia? Tabs don't want them as they can squeeze more short trip races in and prize money is skewed towards sprints.

I would respectfully question that last bit SW.

I think the prizemoney is actually skewed toward "non sprints".

Australia's richest races (off the top of my head):

Melb. Cup 3200m
QE2 Stks 2000m
Golden Slipper 1200m
Cox Plate 2040m
Caulfield Cup 2400m
Tancred 2400m

- are they the races over $2 million? I'm sure someone will jump down my throat if I've missed one :)

But you could hardly say that prizemoney is skewed toward sprints.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: specialweek on 2015-Nov-05, 11:57 AM
I would respectfully question that last bit SW.

I think the prizemoney is actually skewed toward "non sprints".

Australia's richest races (off the top of my head):

Melb. Cup 3200m
QE2 Stks 2000m
Golden Slipper 1200m
Cox Plate 2040m
Caulfield Cup 2400m
Tancred 2400m

- are they the races over $2 million? I'm sure someone will jump down my throat if I've missed one :)

But you could hardly say that prizemoney is skewed toward sprints.


3 of the races you have listed are within weeks of each other and over the year Australia has an enormous amount of Group races(not sure how most qualify) but the total prize money spread over the year caters less for staying types surely.
Japan has 22 G1s 12 are 2000m or more.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-05, 12:06 PM
3 of the races you have listed are within weeks of each other and over the year Australia has an enormous amount of Group races(not sure how most qualify) but the total prize money spread over the year caters less for staying types surely.
Japan has 22 G1s 12 are 2000m or more.


The race clubs in Australia have a policy of, outside of feature races, equivalent prizemoney, regardless of distance or class.

There are more sprint races (obviously), so the gross amount spent on prizemoney for sprints would be more.

But averaging out prizemoney per sprint race vs. per staying race, I have no doubt that staying races would be well ahead. So I suppose it comes down to semantics. Are we talking about the gross amount or the average per race  :)
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2015-Nov-05, 03:35 PM
When you look at his form apart from his failure behind Amralah you really have to wonder how he went off at 100/1 ?

He was considered a C grader
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-05, 06:49 PM
I Think C grader was or is harsh. He beat Extra Zero in a lead up to the mornington cup where he has beaten less than a length as a lightly raced 4yo. That was only his 9th star so he was a stayer of promise @ 4yo
Then last spring he just got beat in the Moe cup, won the Mooney Valley Cup and the ran a bottler in the QE stakes and Zipping Classic.

In the old days before the over hyped and over rated imports that was great form on the back of his track record run last start

We just dont trust the local form enough. Gust of Wind being sent out at $40 & Criterion @ $20 proves that much atleast
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2015-Nov-05, 07:33 PM
I'll concede B grade Wily, but that's my assessment. He certainly proved me wrong last Tuesday  :tomatoes:

 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-05, 08:05 PM
B seems right to me but it will be interesting to see how he progresses next prep
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Feb-11, 01:00 AM
From Racenet.

Ibuprofen positive confirmed for Signoff


Stewards have confirmed the Darren Weir-trained Signoff tested positive to Ibuprofen after his first-up win in the Listed Lord Stakes (1700m) on Boxing Day.

Stewards informed Weir of an irregularity in his initial urine test in January before advising the trainer of the confirmed findings this week.

Signoff is one of a rash of horses that have tested positive to Ibuprofen weeks or months after the substance has been used on horses in the treatment of tendon injuries.

Caulfield trainer Clinton McDonald has endured similar troubles with his comeback galloper Rib Eye, who has tested positive after three runs back from undergoing the same tendon rehabilitation program.

The trainers have said Ibuprofen has been released from the horse’s systems only when burning fat during gallops, while the horses have produced clear urine samples when idle.

Link to full article:

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/119883/Ibuprofen-positive-confirmed-for-Signoff
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Jul-28, 09:36 PM
Darren Weir had a day out today stable winning 9 races Caulfield Morphetville and Mildura.... Nature strip blitzed them in the feature race.  :king:


Giddy Up  :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Sep-19, 07:42 PM
Weir fined $5000 for incorrect horse identification
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy   6:15pm

Leading trainer Darren Weir has been fined $5000 after pleading guilty to a charge of making a false or misleading statement or declaration relating to a Ballarat jump-out last month.
Weir was charged under AR 175 (gg) that stipulates stewards may penalise:

‘’Any person who makes any false or misleading statement or declaration in respect of  any matter in connection with the administration or control of racing.’’

The particulars of the charge we

‘’On August 3, Mr Weir did, via email from stable staff to the Ballarat Turf Club, falsely and misleadingly declare the name of seven horses, those being Spicer, Pelonomena, Kragle, Bindabooberri, French Fry, Ancient Echoes and Mio Nipotina, as having jumped out at Ballarat on 1 August in specific heats.

‘’As a result, the jump out information provided to the public for these heats was incorrect.

‘’Mr Weir’s actions, as listed above, constitutes a false and misleading declaration under AR175(gg).


‘’During the inquiry it was established that the correct horse identities were as follows:

Horse listed as Spicer in Heat 1 was Imperial Edition
Horse listed as Pelonomena in Heat 1 was Diamond Diva
Horse listed as Kragle in Heat 3 was Masterbrax
Horse listed as Bindabooberri in Heat 3 was Rewarding Girl
Horse listed as French Fry in Heat 7 was Holy Freeze
Horse listed as Ancient Echoes in Heat 7 was Buck Bay
Horse listed as Mio Nipotina in Heat 11 was Vogue Empress
‘’Mr Weir plead guilty to the charge and Stewards acting under LR 6C(2A) fined him the sum of $5000.

‘’In assessing the matter, stewards took into account Mr Weir’s guilty plea, evidence during the inquiry, that an initial email to the Ballarat Turf Club gave weight to the evidence that the offence was not premeditated, the circumstances surrounding the incident and the fact that the incident has the ability to erode the confidence of the industry.

‘’Stewards further wish to remind trainers that as of Monday, October 1, they must ensure that any horse nominated in jump outs which are listed in the Inside Racing publication must be correctly named and identified.ENDS

Stewards report that this communication was not premeditated but  their report contains no elaboration on the explanation that they would have sought from the trainer please explain.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-02, 12:15 PM
Bump.

In case anyone was looking for the thread to post conspiracy theories about Darren Weir and why he is so successful.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-02, 04:42 PM
I was going to start a 'Weir Watch' thread PP but this one is as good as any.

Stable is flying and has a hat full of chances in many of the up coming features. Racked up a lazy 5 winners & 3 2nds last Sunday  8-)

All aboard I say  :clap2:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-02, 10:02 PM


'All aboard' .......in the absence of bracketing

................it is unfortunately a riddle for punters with multiple runners from the Weir and Waller stables.

Both trainers present as entirely above board but presumably not telling all ahead of the day unfolding.

In the US their multiple runners would be bracketed -- as one runner.

'Bracketing' has been rejected in Australia but, historically, in relation to only two or, rarely, three acceptors.

These days when these trainers are likely to have multiple acceptors in many races, even in black-type events, it is likely to be more fair that any more than two runners be all bracketed, especially in black-type events.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2018-Oct-03, 08:39 AM
You can bracket them yourself by backing all or some of the stable runners . . if you are so insecure

You will get the same price as you would if somebody else bracketed them for you

Not 'rocket-surgery'

Plus . .


There are lots of good arguments against compulsory bracketing . .
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Oct-03, 10:16 AM

Plus . .


There are lots of good arguments against compulsory bracketing . .

One being exotics are a nightmare, what happens when two or three horses in a bracket fill the places in any exotic, Take trifecta for example, does the horses finishing fourth or fifth move up into the placings if one stable's horses run first , second and third ?
TAB computer cannot cope with fields overseas with more than 24 starts, the mind boggles how it would cope with brackets.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-03, 12:53 PM
You can bracket them yourself by backing all or some of the stable runners . . if you are so insecure

You will get the same price as you would if somebody else bracketed them for you

Not 'rocket-surgery'


 :bulb:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-03, 03:02 PM

'All aboard' .......in the absence of bracketing

................it is unfortunately a riddle for punters with multiple runners from the Weir and Waller stables.


Come on Pete, it's not that hard  :/

You can bracket them yourself by backing all or some of the stable runners . . if you are so insecure

You will get the same price as you would if somebody else bracketed them for you

Not 'rocket-surgery'



  emthup   emthup

Even if you only want to bet one out, follow the money  ;)

Racenet have a niffty little 'odds comparison' which shows whether a horse has firmed since markets have opened and another whether it's shortened on race day.

It's not fool proof but gees we've never had it better with the information at our finger tips  :yes: 

Case in point race 4 at Ballarat today, open up the odds comparison and have a look at the firmers  :bulb: 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-03, 06:53 PM
Come on Gin, Pete told us that those firmers are all a rort for the insiders
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Oct-03, 07:12 PM
Come on Gin, Pete told us that those firmers are all a rort for the insiders
All I know I would loved to have got on at some of those overnight odds, but I have been banned.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-03, 08:59 PM
All I know I would loved to have got on at some of those overnight odds, but I have been banned.

I've had my odds boost cut back by Ladbrokes because 'I don't play in the spirit' or whatever that means  :rant: and reckon I'm on thin ice with the SB account  :sweat:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-04, 12:10 AM
I think the fun days are over for promotions.

My odds boosts on corporates has dropped significantly.

Not sure if this is directed Gin or if it is across the board.

William Hill had to go and they had that ridiculous offer of money back if your horse ran in the first half of the field. I'm sure that got everyone in the WH marketing department very excited for a while but it was not sustainable like a lot of corporate bonuses have been.

We are seeing an extreme consolidation of the corporate bookmaker market in Australia that will probably end up being an oligopoly just like the airlines, telcos and grocery stores.

Think TAB, Sportsbet and Ladbrokes appear to be the big survivors.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2018-Oct-04, 07:16 AM
I've had my odds boost cut back by Ladbrokes because 'I don't play in the spirit' or whatever that means  :rant: and reckon I'm on thin ice with the SB account  :sweat:

S-B will let you know when you are on the nose by chopping your prices when you try to place a bet . .


The corps bet 'even-money' Winx, and ditto hot favourites in footy matches and get upset when people take the odds . .

I got 'poo-poohed' here for saying that such promotions were bad business practice, but I still hold that opinion

POC also has to have an effect


I have also noticed that on smaller markets like non-metro, that corp's closing % seem to be a bit higher now come jump time . . but that may just be on particular occasions
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2018-Oct-21, 01:08 PM
I don't understand what this means i.e. stabling at another trainer unless the stewards think something nefarious is happening so any clarity on this matter will be enlightening.

 https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/racing/controversy-as-stable-error-sees-fools-scratched-20181020-p50ax5.html

Controversy as stable error sees Fools scratched

By Peter Ryan
20 October 2018 — 2:21pm

Trainer Jarrod McLean will face an inquiry after stewards withdrew his horse Trap For Fools from the group 3 Coongy Cup when they found the horse had been stabled at Darren Weir's Warrnambool stables.

Trainers are only allowed to train at premises where they are licensed to train and the stewards will allege that McLean, who is licensed to train nearby at Yangery but also works as Weir's foreman, breached that condition when Trap For Fools was housed at Weir's stables.

The stewards directed the five-year-old gelding, who bravely led the Turnbull Stakes a fortnight ago before finishing fifth, be withdrawn and adjourned the inquiry to a date to be determined.

Weir defended McLean and played down the issue.

"It's absolutely disappointing for Jarrod. It's only just the horse in the wrong stable," Weir said.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-21, 02:11 PM
It does seem an over reaction to scratch the horse for what seems a minor infraction :what:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Authorized on 2018-Oct-21, 04:10 PM
These two do have a history ?

The benefit of the doubt does not fall in their favour.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-21, 04:53 PM
Even so, what is the crime here ?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Authorized on 2018-Oct-21, 04:58 PM
Seriously ?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-21, 07:47 PM
Even so, what is the crime here ?

he broke the rules 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-22, 10:06 AM
Seriously ?


Of course. As juenes said

"I don't understand what this means i.e. stabling at another trainer unless the stewards think something nefarious is happening so any clarity on this matter will be enlightening"
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Oct-22, 11:30 AM
Wily a few years ago the stewards turned up to do some pre-race testing at D Weir's stables where the horses that were racing that day were supposed to be stabled.

All of the horses that were racing were in fact at another stable many miles away.

'Clerical error and nothing to see here' said Darren.....the stewards scratched all of the horses.

Jarrod McLean certainly has a tubing history.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2018-Oct-27, 08:19 PM
The latest regarding the stabling incident. Quite interesting that the stewards were up quite early to check on this and text trainers.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/stewards-allege-jarrod-mclean-gave-false-evidence-about-trap-for-fools/news-story/9231c65cfe6c645ac4ac847ecf6c3718


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-30, 06:52 AM
Raids across his stables this morning. Wonder if DK has his funny little grin on his dial  :chin:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: pwa54 on 2019-Jan-30, 08:21 AM
Arrested apparently. Some on social media suggesting it was over the use of jig ups
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: timw on 2019-Jan-30, 08:54 AM
ABC radio referred to a police media release - copy below-

WARRANTS EXECUTED IN WARRNAMBOOL AND BALLARAT
Wednesday, 30 January 2019 08:43
Detectives from the Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit have executed warrants at properties in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas this morning as part of an ongoing investigation.
Police executed warrants from just before 6am today.
The properties were located in Miners Rest and Warrnambool.
Detectives from the Ballarat Divisional Response Unit were also involved in this morning’s operation.
Three people have been arrested including a 48-year-old Miners Rest man, a 38-year-old Yangery man and a 26-year-old Warrnambool man.
They will now be interviewed in relation to sporting integrity matters including obtain financial advantage by deception, engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency, use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes, and attempt to commit indictable offence namely obtain financial advantage by deception.
A number of items including a firearm and what is believed to be a conducted energy device were also seized from the properties.
The investigation remains ongoing and has also been assisted by Racing Victoria.
Anyone with information about illegal activity is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or submit a confidential crime report to www.crimestoppersvic.com.au
Victoria Police Media Unit
73538
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-30, 08:55 AM
Arrested apparently. Some on social media suggesting it was over the use of jig ups

WTF??

Police???

The stables of Australia’s leading trainer Darren Weir were raided by police and stewards on Wednesday morning.

Detectives from the Victoria Police Sports Integrity Unit raided both the Warrnambool and Ballarat bases of Weir’s large training operation.

Racing.com understands a video from inside the stable and other allegations surrounding Weir have been under investigation for months.

“There is a lot of both uniform and plain clothes police around the area at the moment,” Ballarat Courier journalist Greg Gliddon told Melbourne radio station 3AW shortly before 8am.

“At this stage we don’t have a lot of detail about what’s going on but no doubt things will develop through the day.

“The majority appear to be federal police, but there are uniform officers here as well, so yeah there’s something definitely going on here at the stables.”

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-01-30/new-darren-weirs-stables-raided
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Jan-30, 08:58 AM
Big news this morning...as seems the norm the big fish have something to hide.
Looks like our grinning maestro is in the deep.
Sad to see yet again industry reputation slides.
Amended: sorry guys did not see postings in trainer section.
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-30, 09:03 AM
Are we talking about the use of jiggers? Or is it something more than that.  :what:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 09:14 AM
Wonder why it all happens in Victoria?

Have RVL or stewards released any information regarding his runners for the future?

It will be interesting if he is charged under summons, remanded in custody or bailed?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-30, 09:16 AM
His Mornington runners are still listed as starters today.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-30, 09:38 AM
 a statement, police said the men were arrested for questioning as part of an investigation into suspected offences including:
•obtaining financial advantage by deception
•engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome
•use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes
•attempting to obtain financial advantage by deception
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-30, 10:51 AM
Wonder why it all happens in Victoria?

Have RVL or stewards released any information regarding his runners for the future?

It will be interesting if he is charged under summons, remanded in custody or bailed?

You can bet your life it is also happening in Sydney but they only bother to catch an occasional minnow there.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-30, 02:59 PM
Mair will be along soon pushing his own barrow for a job at RV  :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Jan-30, 03:28 PM
This is serious however...just when the movie is coming out soon...the larrikin grinning trainer hey?
Another dominant trainer that seems suss now, to the average person.
No hope this industry.
No wonder most people I know state the game is crooked and cruel so why would you be into it?
Sad day again.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-30, 03:28 PM
You can bet your life it is also happening in Sydney but they only bother to catch an occasional minnow there.

Bet our life what is happening in Sydney  :what:

What is going on down there in Melbourne?

If it isn't Racing Integrity it is gangs of African youths or blackouts.  :no:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-30, 04:13 PM
Interesting they have all been released without charge & horse noms will continue to be accepted, so RV make this big show yet tomorrow is carry on regardless :chin:  :shrug:

This could have shades of 'The darkest day in sport'  :shutup:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 06:05 PM
Bet our life what is happening in Sydney  :what:

What is going on down there in Melbourne?

If it isn't Racing Integrity it is gangs of African youths or blackouts.  :no:

In Sydney we are too civilised to let this happen. We have Alan, Gladys and Peter running the show so no we have no criminal activity.

The Opal Tower was an aberration created by interstate visitors as we have too much integrity.

Thanks PP, for setting the record straight. NSW is the good state for integrity including racing.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 06:10 PM
Latest news on Weir.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/police-seize-electric-shock-jiggers-in-raid-on-melbourne-cup-winning-trainer-darren-weir-20190130-p50uk5.html

No charges yet so innocence must be presumed until other wise.

Hopefully for RVL, Weir and image of racing, it can be resolved quickly than be dragged on.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-30, 06:46 PM
A little more detail of what's involved by Natalie Hickey ........investigations continuing and Weir released from custody this afternoon.

https://sociallitigator.com/2019/01/30/weir-investigation-what-are-the-sporting-integrity-matters-in-vicpol-press-release/


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-30, 06:52 PM
c - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/darren-weir-releases-statement-to-owners-20190130?utm_campaign=2628391&utm_source=sendpulse&utm_medium=push





Under-fire trainer Darren Weir has released a statement to his owners in the wake of Wednesday morning’s police raids on his stables.

Dear owner,

As you are most likely aware, Darren Weir Racing is the subject of an external review. At this time the investigation is ongoing.

Our main aim is to ensure our owners are not disadvantaged by this process in anyway, and accordingly it is business as usual in regards to the training and care of your horses. We will make a more detailed announcement as soon as possible and are hopeful this will occur sometime tomorrow.

Thank you for your ongoing support, consideration and loyalty to Darren Weir Racing.


Weir’s owner database includes several syndicators and studs.

Racing Victoria stewards are yet to declare a position on Weir’s status as a trainer. Weir was among three men arrested for questioning following the raids which uncovered four ‘jiggers’, an unlicensed firearm and drugs.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-30, 07:42 PM

Fanciful

...... any idea that a leading trainer would compromise his integrity is fanciful.
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-30, 07:46 PM


What we are talking about  -- will become clearer.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Jan-30, 07:50 PM
No Peter, no matter who they might be, a trainer MUST keep producing winners, otherwise he will lose owners.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Jan-30, 07:56 PM
Wow what a shock !!!. Chauffeur, All Too Huiying just in recent weeks. So if Tom the horse trainer from Oodnadatta cops a police raid and he is found with a few jiggers; how is his racehorse trainers licence looking ? As Ken Howard used to say I will bet you London to a Brick on , it has just be recalled pending an investigation. I can't seriously believe Racing Victoria is still considering this issue. This Stables's licence must be immediately revoked. To do anything less is contrary to their charter to look after the interests of punters who really make this whole Industry go round. This was a positive police raid no less and Racing Victoria must not bury their heads in the sands. Gee if  I back which gets beaten a nostril by this mob I will be bloody filthy. Before the bleeding hearts start banging on about " innocent until proven guilty (like that silly Richo this afternoon ) " I will remind them those phrases are for the Courts not for the Licensing Authorities. They have every power to insist that these horses either be moved or an interim acceptable licensee be appointed. 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-30, 08:15 PM
Gun I find it really odd that they came out and asked if anyone has any video evidence to come forward  :what:

Smacks that they thought they'd walk in and it would be fait accompli and statements like that make it feel like they got duck eggs  :shrug:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-30, 08:20 PM
How about we let due process takes its course?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-30, 08:21 PM
If we are talking 'integrity' and 'Racing Victoria'


.......... there is a lot more to be concerned about than 'jiggers'.......... limiting field sizes to qualified runners, actually there to win, would be a useful start.

I would respond to a jigger .......... but not enough to compensate for my limitations.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-30, 08:21 PM
So far nothing to suggest race rigging.
The use of the jigger has to be outlawed so the stable should be punished to some degree
Oh and they found a shot gun that can be found in most farms.

Was it Gin who alluded to the “darkest day in Australian sport” nonsense?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-30, 08:28 PM
In Sydney we are too civilised to let this happen. We have Alan, Gladys and Peter running the show so no we have no criminal activity.

The Opal Tower was an aberration created by interstate visitors as we have too much integrity.

Thanks PP, for setting the record straight. NSW is the good state for integrity including racing.

What on earth does the Opal Tower have to do with anything related to this thread  :what:  :what:

I have said on here before, and I'll say it again......

There are no "integrity problems" with Victorian racing.

Does anyone on here not bet on the Melbourne races because they think they are rigged?

Racing in both NSW and Victoria is conducted under fierce scrutiny by the stewards. With the advent of videos from all angles, betting information made available to the stewards, swabs and mobile phone records that have to be presented on demand, there are very few sports around the world that would be as clean as racing.

Things were very bad in the past and people got away with a lot of "stuff". Most people up to no good will get caught these days.

The "integrity" angle and Victorian racing comes from the fact that they corporatized RVL and stacked the board with lawyers, marketers and token appointments - at one stage there were only two people on the RVL board who would know which end the horse's arse was at.

So what does an "uninformed" board do? Start talking about things like integrity - nice clean politically correct subject that doesn't require any knowledge about horse racing. Except it has gone too far.

RVL only have themselves to blame. Wouldn't have been such a big issue if the race clubs ran Victorian racing instead of the "blow ins".

How is that genius RVL idea of racing.com going commercially? They never seem to publish how much money it loses.

Darren Weir is entitled to the presumption of innocence. If it turns out that he is found to be guilty of some misadventure it is a sign that the system put in place to maintain integrity works.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 08:35 PM
The biggest issue is what they found. Gun, “jigger” etc. The fact that the Feds were involved for technical assistance is very interesting.

The police at times ask for footage from anyone for a few reasons. One is fishing, but they may have footage and want more on usage on horses. The other part is if there are people with guilty consciences, they may think that Weir is a goner and might roll on him to avoid trouble especially when questioned by the police.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-30, 08:44 PM
How about we let due process takes its course?

He's already be found guilty JWH, just read social media   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Jan-30, 08:56 PM
Jeunes, I agree it does seem strange that they put the call out for people to come forward. It could be that they already know who they want to come forward. In other words , by coming forward , they may assist themselves. I think that is probably what you are suggesting. As for people saying he has already been tried and hanged that is just complete twaddle. The question is totally whether horses should be being saddled up in his name under the current circumstances. It is along way off before his innocence or lack there of is an integral part of this investigation.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 09:20 PM
From memory, I think Queensland stewards tried to do same with Ben Currie and lost the appeal etc.

If they did the same to Weir and there were no charges or delay in charges, it is not fair to the owners and employees etc. RVL also may not want to reveal their hands too early too. It is a quandary as damned if they do and face a possible court case if Weir beats the charges.

I read somewhere that Weir won $31m in prize money. This does not include any other stud fees etc.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-Jan-30, 09:31 PM
$50 million stake money since 1st August 2017.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 09:54 PM
That’s huge. He has some very good horses this weekend. Nature Strip, Ringerdingding and Extra Brut return for the Autum carnivals this Saturday.

Big impact if scratched for owners and rivals.

First G1 of year is the Orr Stakes on Feb 9.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/group-i-target-for-whispering-brook-20190127
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Jan-30, 10:12 PM
Also a huge impact for Racing Victoria if his charges win and  beaten connections take action later in Civil Courts as to whether or not his runners should have been permitted to run. All owners have to do is move their horses to a new yard Tomorrow . Simple. Then again I suspect many owners of horses who seemingly are passed their best are well aware of the reasons why they go to this environment to " rejuvenate " their former stock. Must be the rarified Country or beach settings ! What else could it be ?


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Jan-31, 10:03 AM
The biggest issue is what they found. Gun, “jigger” etc. The fact that the Feds were involved for technical assistance is very interesting.



Feds, brought in as they have power, enacted under federal Telecommunications Act, with surveillance equipment  to locate any telephone that maybe hidden.

I lost my phone the other week, I had it turned off and could not find it.. I should have called in  the feds .bought a new phone, still no idea where it is :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-31, 10:23 AM
Down behind the lounge cushion where you've hidden your untaxed income?





Title: Darren Weir
Post by: MagiC~* on 2019-Jan-31, 11:31 AM
For the police to get involved and issue warrants, they must have had something to go on right?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2019-Jan-31, 11:34 AM
still no idea where it is :beer:

When did you last visit DW ?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-31, 12:33 PM
Feds, brought in as they have power, enacted under federal Telecommunications Act, with surveillance equipment  to locate any telephone that maybe hidden.

I lost my phone the other week, I had it turned off and could not find it.. I should have called in  the feds .bought a new phone, still no idea where it is :beer:

At least they won’t hand the phones back if they find it unlike one of the previous investigations in another racing case.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Jan-31, 01:54 PM
Down behind the lounge cushion where you've hidden your untaxed income?

No not there, I even checked the jam tins I have buried in the garden.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-31, 02:34 PM
  emthup
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-31, 05:49 PM

Do not jump to conclusions about RTVL admin

For the police to get involved and issue warrants, they must have had something to go on right?

I am not surely happy about the entitlement of RVL to request 'phone taps'.

So far we know nothing about what was done or who may have done it  -- on the face of it, it does not look good but the truth will out.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-31, 06:27 PM
Do not jump to conclusions about RTVL admin

For the police to get involved and issue warrants, they must have had something to go on right?

I am not surely happy about the entitlement of RVL to request 'phone taps'.

So far we know nothing about what was done or who may have done it  -- on the face of it, it does not look good but the truth will out.

No surprise to see you write that Peter. You love defending cheats and thieves within the industry so long as it allows you to push your own barrow
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-31, 07:08 PM
Pete, read the link below.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/victoria/darren-weir-quizzed-over-images-from-secret-surveillance-footage-20190131-p50urr.html

If he is guilty, what penalty do you think he should get?

I would like to hear your opinion on it.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-31, 07:33 PM
Racing NSW have issued Weir with a show cause notice similar to the action taken on two QLD trainers Birchley & Currie.

Reports that other trainers have offered to help out the owners if they wish to change trainers solidarity forever.

https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/racing-nsw-issue-darren-weir-show-cause-notice/499019

From what I've read the  fraud allegations involving betting are potentially the most serious if charges are laid and prosecuted successfully...still along way to go RV stewards seem to be treading water hoping someone somewhere will throw them a life jacket.


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-31, 08:37 PM
No surprises to see some owners sticking by him. I can’t see things changing in a hurry unless he gets suspended.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/key-backer-sticking-by-weir-stable-20190131
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-31, 08:49 PM
Must admit, if I had horses with him, I’d stick till more was known.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Jan-31, 08:56 PM
Doesn't young Luke sound like a fine upstanding fellow. His trainer  gets caught with four jiggers on his properties and yet the genius backs him to the hilt. Suggest it says a lot about Luke. And what about the mouth you can't turn the radio on without hearing his adds about fair goes . Hey Gerry you are one of his owners  ; where do you stand ? it is well time that punters tell Racing Victoria they won't bet in that State until some Regulatory Body makes sure that some mob is ; or who allegedly has been getting a significant advantage over everyone else is stood aside pending full investigation. V'Landys must be chortling at the cards that keep ending up in his lap.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-31, 08:59 PM


.............. who would think DW would be so stupidly guilty......... not me, yet.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-31, 09:54 PM

Weir, McLean, Kermond summoned
 
Racing.com Staff@Racing
5:24pm

Trainer Darren Weir, assistant trainer Jarrod McLean and stable employee Tyson Kermond have all arrived at Racing Victoria headquarters on Thursday afternoon after being called to face stewards.

The development follows Wednesday's raids by Victoria Police on two of Weir's stables, in Warrnambool and Ballarat, and the confiscation by police of four jiggers, an unregistered firearm and a substance believed to be cocaine.

At around 9pm the three men were seen leaving Racing Victoria headquarters.

Stewards are expected to make a statement on Thursday evening and Racing.com will report any further developments.

10.25pm Thursday: Racing Victoria release the following statement

"Racing Victoria (RV) stewards this afternoon opened an inquiry following the execution of search warrants by Victoria Police yesterday at properties in Ballarat and Warrnambool that saw three licensed racing participants arrested and later released without charge.

"Licensed trainers Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean and licensed foreperson Tyson Kermond attended RV’s offices where they were interviewed by stewards.

"The stewards adjourned their inquiry late this evening to consider the information they have at hand and obtain legal advice. It is expected that a further update will be issued tomorrow."
More to follow...
WATCH: McLean and Kermond's arrival
https://www.racing.com/news/2019-01-31/news-darren-weir-racing-victoria

ENDS

Possibly Racing NSW's action has galvanised RV into appearing to do something ...just what remains to be seen. :what:

Penalties for using a jigger are prescribed a mandatory minimum .... possessing a jigger there's no minimum.

I recall Tom Foley former radio host on 4BK describing a jigger as a galvanic apparatus ...vaguely recall that there was a case where track staff found one on course after the jockey discarded at a provincial meeting ..dunno if the jockey was identified or charged it that was a long time ago. 

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-01-31/news-what-is-a-jigger

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-31, 10:21 PM
The interesting part of the show cause from NSW is that there is a precedent with Liam Birchley and Ben Currie cannot race any horses even though they are not suspended.

Extra Brut, Amphrite, Ringerdingding, Nature Strip, Humodor, Land of Plenty etc could be coming to Sydney so it will be an interesting decision coming for owners if RVL do not suspend him and Racing NSW ban him.

All this is conjecture but there are some interesting days ahead.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-01, 02:23 PM

Water over the Weir

............ if there were ever any substantial substance to the suspicion that DW was involved in misconduct, the way the story has unfolded and not, suggests he is not a primary participant.

The game then goes back to problematic issues about staff supervision and stable security.

While saying nothing perhaps, commonsense as well as his confident  body language and 'business as usual' message go to his credit.

.......anything else is too sad to contemplate.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-01, 02:50 PM
V'Landys must be chortling at the cards that keep ending up in his lap.

I find it interesting how we can all see it different.

I see nothing but chest beating, grandstanding from PV, he knows the DW was unlikely to be racing a horse in NSW for the next month or so but it didn't stop him cocking his leg on RV in nothing more than a grab for headlines.

Ordinary effort from RNSW and it will be interesting what their stance is if comes the time Weir still hasn't been charged with anything.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-01, 03:21 PM
Peter, you refuse to answer Jeunes question from earlier so I know you won’t answer this.
Are you aware of Weirs previous convictions and sins?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-01, 03:26 PM
I find it interesting how we can all see it different.

I see nothing but chest beating, grandstanding from PV, he knows the DW was unlikely to be racing a horse in NSW for the next month or so but it didn't stop him cocking his leg on RV in nothing more than a grab for headlines.

Ordinary effort from RNSW and it will be interesting what their stance is if comes the time Weir still hasn't been charged with anything.

Gin, rest assured if VLandys did nothing the mob will be howling for his blood.
Can’t agree with you when you said “DW was unlikely to be racing a horse in NSW for the next month or so“. There are major races and noms over the coming month that I’m sure he will be coming for
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-Feb-01, 04:10 PM
RVL has now issued charges



Racing Victoria (RV) stewards have this afternoon issued charges under the Australian Rules of Racing (AR) against licensed trainers Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean and licensed foreperson Tyson Kermond following an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019.

The inquiry was opened following the execution of search warrants by Victoria Police on 30 January 2019 at properties in Ballarat and Warrnambool that saw three licensed participants arrested and later released without charge.

DARREN WEIR

Stewards have this afternoon issued six charges, of which two are in the alternative, against Mr Weir as follows:

Charge 1 – AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr Weir was in the possession, at a Miners Rest premises used in relation to the training or racing of horses, of an electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 2 – AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr Weir was in the possession, at a Miners Rest premises used in relation to the training or racing of horses, of a second electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 3 – AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr Weir was in the possession, at a Miners Rest premises used in relation to the training or racing of horses, of a third electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 4 – AR 175(f) Failure to give evidence at an inquiry

The summary of the particulars being that during the course of an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019, Mr Weir refused and/or failed to give evidence in accordance with a direction and/or request of the stewards.

Charge 5 – AR175(p) Failure to comply with a direction of the stewards [Alternative to Charge 4]

The summary of the particulars being that Mr Weir refused and/or failed to comply with a direction of the stewards on 31 January 2019 to answer questions in relation to an inquiry.

Charge 6 – AR175A Conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing

The summary of the particulars being that Mr Weir’s conduct in possessing three electric or electronic apparatus, which has been widely reported in the media, and his failure to proffer an explanation to the stewards, was prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.

The charges issued against Mr Weir will be heard by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board on a date to be fixed.

JARROD MCLEAN

Stewards have this afternoon issued four charges, of which two are in the alternative, against Mr McLean as follows:

Charge 1 – AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr McLean was in the possession at a Yangery property of an electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 2 – AR 175(f) Failure to give evidence at an inquiry

The summary of the particulars being that during the course of an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019, Mr McLean refused and/or failed to give evidence in accordance with a direction and/or request of the stewards.

Charge 3 – AR175(p) Failure to comply with a direction of the stewards [Alternative to Charge 2]

The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean refused and/or failed to comply with a direction of the stewards on 31 January 2019 to answer questions in relation to an inquiry.

Charge 4 – AR175A Conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing

The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean’s conduct in possessing an electric or electronic apparatus, which has been widely reported in the media, and his failure to proffer an explanation to the stewards was prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.

The charges issued against Mr McLean will be heard by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board on a date to be fixed.

TYSON KERMOND

Stewards have this afternoon issued two charges in the alternative against Mr Kermond as follows:

Charge 1 – AR 175(f) Failure to give evidence at an inquiry

The summary of the particulars being that during the course of an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019, Mr Kermond refused and/or failed to give evidence in accordance with a direction and/or request of the stewards.

Charge 2 – AR175(p) Failure to comply with a direction of the stewards [Alternative to Charge 1]

The summary of the particulars being that Mr Kermond refused and/or failed to comply with a direction of the stewards on 31 January 2019 to answer questions in relation to an inquiry.

The charges issued against Mr Kermond will be heard by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board on a date to be fixed.

SHOW CAUSE NOTICES

The stewards have also this afternoon issued Show Cause Notices to Mr Weir and Mr McLean requesting them to show cause why the stewards ought not exercise their powers:

(a) pursuant to AR 8(z)(a), to suspend their licence to train;

(b) pursuant to AR 8(z)(b), to prevent any horse owned (or part-owned) or leased by them from participating in any race or official trial;

(c) pursuant to AR 8(z)(d), to decline to receive any nomination or entry for a horse trained by them; and

(d) pursuant to AR 8(z)(d), in respect of the nominations or entries which have been received, to reject those nominations or entries,

pending the hearing and determination of the charges issued against them.

Mr Weir and Mr McLean have been invited to make submissions by telephone at 4pm today.

RV stewards will issue a further report today following the outcome of this hearing.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-Feb-01, 04:12 PM
All his horses for tonight and tomorrow have been scratched by the stewards
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-01, 04:29 PM
Dear, oh dear.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-01, 05:52 PM
The racing charges are the least of his worries...... the bigest issue (and no charges have been laid) involve the possibility of Victoria Police laying charges as outlined in The Social Litigators opinion piece posted by my good self yesterday.....involving offences under the Crimes Act...serious penalties apply if convicted.
The stewards inquiry listed for 4pm today heard submissions from the parties legal representatives and adjourned the proceedings to 2pm on Monday.

RV Stewards' Report: Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean Show Cause
RV_Author Racing Victoria Staff@RacingInsider   5:46pm

Following the issuing of charges under the Australian Rules of Racing this afternoon by Racing Victoria (RV) stewards against licensed trainers Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean, the trainers were issued Show Cause Notices requesting them to show cause why the stewards ought not exercise their powers:

(a) pursuant to AR 8(z)(a), to suspend their licence to train;

(b) pursuant to AR 8(z)(b), to prevent any horse owned (or part-owned) or leased by them from participating in any race or official trial;

(c) pursuant to AR 8(z)(d), to decline to receive any nomination or entry for a horse trained by them; and

(d) pursuant to AR 8(z)(d), in respect of the nominations or entries which have been received, to reject those nominations or entries,

pending the hearing and determination of the charges issued against them on a date to be fixed by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board.

The hearing was conducted via teleconference where Mr Weir and Mr McLean were represented by their legal representative who made submissions on their behalf.

The stewards have subsequently deliberated and determined to:
adjourn the show cause hearing to 2pm (AEST) on Monday 4 February 2019;
make an interim order under AR 8(z)(d) that all horses trained by Mr Weir and Mr McLean that have accepted for races up until midnight Monday 4 February 2019 be withdrawn by order of the stewards; and
apply the interim order until the earlier of (a) midnight on Monday 4 February 2019, at which stage the show cause process is expected to progress; or (b) further order of the stewards.

As a consequence of those orders, the stewards withdrew at 4.50pm (AEST) today all horses trained by Mr Weir and Mr McLean that have accepted for races up until midnight on Monday 4 February 2019.

Quotes attributable to RV Executive General Manager – Integrity, Jamie Stier

“The stewards have imposed an interim order that all horses accepted to race from the Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean stables from tonight at Moonee Valley through until Monday be withdrawn with immediate effect pending the conduct of a show cause hearing,” Mr Stier said.

“The stewards are concerned about the seriousness of the threat posed by Mr Weir’s and Mr McLean’s alleged possession of an electronic apparatus. This is a significant issue in terms of animal welfare and racing integrity.

“The investigation has caused considerable public concern, and has generated considerable negative publicity, bringing into question the impact on the image, interests and integrity of racing of Mr Weir and Mr McLean’s continued participation in racing pending the hearing of the charges.

“The stewards also have significant concerns regarding the negative adverse publicity relating to police involvement in relation to Mr Weir and Mr McLean’s training activities is having on public confidence in racing.

“We understand the timing of this order has impacts for owners, punters and race clubs, whom we sympathise with, however in the opinion of the stewards the integrity and reputation of the sport is paramount.

“In issuing this interim order, it should be noted that investigations are ongoing."

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-01, 06:26 PM
Racing Victoria charges trainer Darren Weir, licence in jeopardy

Darren Weir has been charged by Racing Victoria, putting the star trainer’s licence in jeopardy and his horses at risk of being barred from running.

Weir was hauled before Racing Victoria stewards yesterday followin­g his arrest and subsequent release on Wednesday during a police raid that allegedly uncovered four electronic shock devices known as jiggers in his stable­s, as well as an unlicensed firearm and a small amount of cocain­e.

After a lengthy hearing on Wednesday that stretched into the night, Weir was this afternoon charged under the rules of racing with three counts of possessing an electronic device capable of affecting the performance of a horse, one charge of failing to give evidence, failing to comply with a stewards direction and conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.

Racing Victoria has ordered all horses trained by Weir, McLean and Kermond be withdrawn until the case against the trio resumes on Monday.

Nine of Weir’s horses have been withdrawn from tonight’s Moonee Valley race meet, while 11 have been withdrawn from Caulfield tomorrow.

Jamie Stier, The RV Executive General Manager of integrity, said while the sporting body acknowledged this was inconvenient the integrity of the sport was paramount.

“The stewards are concerned about the seriousness of the threat posed by Mr Weir’s and Mr McLean’s alleged possession of an electronic apparatus. This is a significant issue in terms of animal welfare and racing integrity.” he said.

“We understand the timing of this order has impacts for owners, punters and race clubs, whom we sympathise with, however in the opinion of the stewards the integrity and reputation of the sport is paramount.“ he said.

Weir’s colleagues, Jarrod McLean and Tyson Kermond, have also been charged.

Mr McLean was charged with one count of possessing a jigger (or electronic device), one charge of failing to give evidence, failing to comply with a stewards direction and conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.

Mr Kermond was charged with one count of failing to give evidence and one count of failing to comply with the direction of a steward.

Racing Victoria issued a show cause notice to Mr Weir, Mr McLean and Mr Kermond and gave them until 4pm today to argue why their licences shouldn’t be suspended, why horses owned or trained by them should be allowed to race and why horses nominated by them should be allowed to race.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/racing-victoria-charges-darren-weir/news-story/0d6d5f64ab06ac80276c02f6db9cee7f
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-01, 06:30 PM
The interesting part of the show cause from NSW is that there is a precedent with Liam Birchley and Ben Currie cannot race any horses even though they are not suspended.

Extra Brut, Amphrite, Ringerdingding, Nature Strip, Humodor, Land of Plenty etc could be coming to Sydney so it will be an interesting decision coming for owners if RVL do not suspend him and Racing NSW ban him.

All this is conjecture but there are some interesting days ahead.

From the article:

Racing Victoria issued a show cause notice to Mr Weir, Mr McLean and Mr Kermond and gave them until 4pm today to argue why their licences shouldn’t be suspended, why horses owned or trained by them should be allowed to race and why horses nominated by them should be allowed to race.

FYI Jeunes  ;)
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-01, 06:43 PM
From the article:

Racing Victoria issued a show cause notice to Mr Weir, Mr McLean and Mr Kermond and gave them until 4pm today to argue why their licences shouldn’t be suspended, why horses owned or trained by them should be allowed to race and why horses nominated by them should be allowed to race.

FYI Jeunes  ;)

Life moves fast PP. I find below article very interesting as it shows a break away from the usual solidarity where the racing fraternity where no one can do any wrong. The eras have changed and looking back I wonder if some of the suspended participants would be welcome back in the current context.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/weir-runners-scratched-after-rival-trainers-take-stand-20190201-p50v5e.html
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-01, 08:58 PM
I have heard some nonsense Tonight about how " this is unfair to owners ". Weir gets many horses from other trainers because of his perceived ability to improve them. That list is endless. The list is also real. Gee one of those high profile ones was going around Tomorrow. People must be gullible if they truly think this "genius " works or feeds them so much better than in some cases " Hall of Fame " trainers. Congratulations to RV , they made the only decision they could make after the lack of cooperation extended to their Inquiries.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Feb-01, 09:45 PM
While no doubt benefiting by the absence of the Weir runners tonight, it was good to see Grahame Begg with a city double.

Grahame Begg is one trainer that has always seemed  be able to train within the rules of racing so good on him.

Hopefully he'll benefit again tomorrow with Written By now that Nature Strip is scratched.

Will be interesting to see whether the owners of Land of Plenty give the horse back to G Begg, his original trainer.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-01, 10:04 PM
Interesting news regarding horse transfers. It will be fascinating to see the results of the horse being transferred.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/nature-strip-scratched-from-caulfield-saturday-20190201

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/weir-exodus-begins-with-slipper-hopeful-20190201

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-01, 11:51 PM
Good summary of events so far.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/racing-world-reels-as-no-1-trainer-charged-horses-scratched-20190201-p50v2k.html
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-02, 02:10 AM
So Yes, Yes, Yes and Hulk, and possibly Nature Strip going to Chris Waller.

That'll make Gunbower and nemesis happy   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Feb-02, 05:26 AM
So Yes, Yes, Yes and Hulk, and possibly Nature Strip going to Chris Waller.

That'll make Gunbower and nemesis happy     :lol:  
To be perfectly honest such is my interest these days I haven't heard of Yes,Yes,Yes or Hulk.

Have heard of Nature Strip though and all I can say there is I'm glad Steve Hansen can pick rugby players because he doesn't seem that good at picking racehorse trainers.
Robert Smerdon, John Sadler, Darren Weir have all been rather dubious choices so far so let's hope he get's it right this time.      :lol:  
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-02, 08:22 AM
Further news on horse movements from Weir stable.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/horse-racing/horses-moved-from-weir-stables-amid-probe/ef658a00-3397-45a1-a5f7-1f692dbd8f19
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: MagiC~* on 2019-Feb-02, 07:59 PM
Two female strappers took photos of two horses galloping on treadmills with jiggers attached to their neck.

These are the photos authorities are referring to.

No wonder he is refusing to answer any questions the stewards have for him.

He is in a shit load of trouble.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-02, 08:19 PM
If that's the case Magic, why didn't they charge him / them with use? As currently it's just possession  :chin:

There's lots of rumours floating around about unknown synthetic drugs, blinkers & jiggers etc but all that considered the charges seem light at the moment  :shrug:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-02, 09:52 PM
Whatever happens Weir is going to have a real problem in the short term future.

He has lost a host of his star runners already and I doubt some of the owners will ever come back.

If the new trainers don’t win, there will be interesting conclusions reached. Weir’s chequered history has not prevented owners from going to him but the alleged use of jiggers is more abhorrent to them.

Like many who pick a side, the way owners face up to bad behaviour in who you support is a true indicator of a person’s character. An ostrich view is moral ineptitude or win at all costs mentality.

Peter, I am still waiting for your views on penalties if Weir is found guilty.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-02, 10:27 PM
As you have alluded to Jeunes : Weir has plenty of form in relation to attempting to achieve an unfair advantage , eg his convictions for "milkshake " treatments. His current dilemma to me is hardly a surprise and I doubt it is to many in the Industry. When older horses are suddenly rejuvenated after joining his establishment the antenna do tend to get excited !
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-03, 09:55 AM
Cue Peter from Family Guy:
"Will it Peter Mair?....(eyes squint)...will it?"  :chin: :what:
Jigger or Taser?
Cocaine or Bex Powder laying around since 1973?
Race rigging or just having a punt?
You, the betting public, will be the judge...probably way before the authorities.
The press reports have, as expected, been full of ambiguity and confusion..
Here we go...
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-03, 10:11 AM
Another interesting angle coming out regarding the impact of economy in Ballarat etc. This is going to have a big impact where Weir was training his horses. I could be wrong but cannot see some of the staff relocating or finding jobs in the short term quickly due to association with Weir.

I worked once in an industry where we all knew a certain company exploited their clients etc. We rarely hired ex staff from them and neither did many other companies.

The other question is whether they have to relocate for jobs etc or just get out of the industry.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/sport-thought-is-racing-s-biggest-winner-about-to-become-its-biggest-loser-20190202-p50v9c.html



Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-03, 10:12 AM
Old Irish ditty:
We cried it was the beach my boys, the salty air, the soothing noise..
We cried it was the beach..
We hoped they had no reach, the boys, the filthy ones, the ones with guns..
We hoped they had no reach..
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Feb-03, 12:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWVLQVflGOc

A couple of eagle eyed contributors to another forum have pointed out some dodgy looking hand movements by John Allen on the neck of Trap For Fools at the 400 metres in The Mackinnon stakes.

I'm not familiar with Allen's riding style so you can make up your own minds.
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-03, 12:16 PM
All thats become clearer is Mair defending criminal behavior....again
One can only think Mair is a crook himself.
 The way he lies his arse off around here strongly supports this belief along with his defending the indefensible
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-03, 12:41 PM
Can we merge the Darren Weir topics?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-03, 03:23 PM
Old Irish ditty:
We cried it was the beach my boys, the salty air, the soothing noise..
We cried it was the beach..
We hoped they had no reach, the boys, the filthy ones, the ones with guns..
We hoped they had no reach..

I get a zip result on Google for that one Shogun. Great verse. Can we have an explanation please   :biggrin:

I'm reminded of

Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive.


There would be jockeys, stable hands and a heap of other people who would know what is going on in the alleged situation.

What is their culpability?

A jockey is a professionally licensed person. What is the status of a jockey who rides with the knowledge? What happens to an honest stablehand or jockey? Why was there an unlicensed firearm? They found cocaine??? Was that for the horses?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-03, 03:26 PM
Reckon he won it for the soft sectionals he got mid race  :bulb:

I would have been more concerned if it the butt end of the whip or something, horse didn't seem to react at all, nor pick up  :shrug:
Title: Weir arrested. Never trust a grinner?
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-03, 03:32 PM
Can we merge the Darren Weir topics?

Done   emthup
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Feb-03, 04:34 PM
Some years ago I was told that if a horse in training was hit by a jigger,at that moment  the jockey riding would stick the butt of his whip into the horse's neck,  then the jockey would scream at the horse.

In a race. although no jigger was carried, if the butt of the whip stuck into the horses neck and the jockey screamed  the horse would expect the jigger and would take off like Black Caviar.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-03, 06:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWVLQVflGOc

A couple of eagle eyed contributors to another forum have pointed out some dodgy looking hand movements by John Allen on the neck of Trap For Fools at the 400 metres in The Mackinnon stakes.

I'm not familiar with Allen's riding style so you can make up your own minds.

In the current context it looks very suss to me
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: westie on 2019-Feb-03, 08:52 PM
Racenet reporting:

The Herald Sun in Melbourne is reporting embattled trainer Darren Weir may be on the brink of handing in his licence.

“Darren Weir could surrender his training licence as early as Monday,” the Herald Sun’s Leo Schlink wrote.

The article went on to say; “Weir and fellow Group 1-winning trainer Jarrod McLean have been issued with show cause notices by Racing Victoria, asking them to justify why they should be allowed to continue training.

“If Weir and McLean attempt to show cause and are unable to do so, they will be stood down.”

Both Weir and McLean are scheduled to appear before stewards at 2pm on Monday for their show cause hearing however there is the suggestion Weir, and possibly McLean will instead hand in their licences.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-03, 09:57 PM
Poison, my Irish ditty came from the recesses of my addled brain... 8-)
Glad you enjoyed my silly verse, ;) hence no Google references will deliver. :no:

"A grin was worn at every turn,
And wads were stolen, money burn,
But not so hidden , hind that smile
Electric spurts , horseshit pile."

There we go. You try one.
Hmmm......What rhymes with "crafty"....
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-04, 01:05 AM
Poison, my Irish ditty came from the recesses of my addled brain... 8-)
Glad you enjoyed my silly verse, ;) hence no Google references will deliver. :no:

"A grin was worn at every turn,
And wads were stolen, money burn,
But not so hidden , hind that smile
Electric spurts , horseshit pile."

There we go. You try one.
Hmmm......What rhymes with "crafty"....

It beggars belief
That a jiggerer, not a thief,
Could think that he would get away
With unfair advantage for more than a day

The industry employs lovers of the horse
Who cringe at the thought of cruelty of course
They are bound to let the authorities know
And the culprit will be removed from the show
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-04, 06:17 AM
Money and fame are a result of the game
But a crook is a crook by any other name
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-04, 02:35 PM
 :clap2: :clap2:  :lol:   emthup
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-04, 02:38 PM
Dazza the winner and a grinner throwing in the towel, as I type.?
Wowee.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-04, 08:04 PM
Latest update on Weir horses.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/updated--where-the-weir-stable-stars-are-heading-20190204

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-05, 05:52 AM
It seems that Weir is now finished. I can’t recall a bigger quicker fall from grace in any sport. There have been other scandals but usually they dragged on to the conclusion I.e drugs cheats, off field scandals etc. Weir has gone from nation’s biggest trainer to nothing in less than a week.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/besieged-trainer-darren-weir-faces-four-year-ban-will-not-contest-charges-20190205-p50voh.html
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-05, 06:44 AM
Too true.
What a bad look for racing.
Gee whiz it makes that surge that Humidor gave in the Cox Plate look suss...easy in retrospect to see things I know.
And we wonder now, did even our Melb Cup winner get subjected to "treatment"?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-05, 10:30 AM
"The most recent charge relating to the possession of a jigger was levelled against Mornington track rider Damien Bradbury in 2015. He later pleaded guilty to the charge and was suspended for 18 months.

Mark Riley copped two years for the practice in 2000, while fellow trainer Paul Preusker and jockey Holly McKechnie were outed for four and three years respectively in 2007."

Above from google search on penalties for possession and/or using a jigger.

The RV stewards will argue for a 4 year disqualification for Weir while the RAD board will determine the penalty Weir's not contesting the charge but the RAD board is independent and will make its own decision McLean is contesting the stewards finding in his case facing multiple charges same as Weir only difference is he was allegedly found with one jigger while Weir's cache was three.

"AR.175. The Principal Racing Authority (or the Stewards exercising powers delegated to them) may penalise;

(hh) Any person who: (i) uses, or attempts to use, any electric or electronic apparatus or any improper contrivance capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump-out or training gallop;
or (ii) has in his possession, any electric or electronic apparatus or any improper contrivance capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump-out or training gallop.
 For the purposes of this provision where an electric or electronic apparatus has been designed to deliver an electric shock it is deemed to be capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump out or training gallop."


Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-05, 11:18 AM
"The most recent charge relating to the possession of a jigger was levelled against Mornington track rider Damien Bradbury in 2015. He later pleaded guilty to the charge and was suspended for 18 months.

Mark Riley copped two years for the practice in 2000, while fellow trainer Paul Preusker and jockey Holly McKechnie were outed for four and three years respectively in 2007."

Above from google search on penalties for possession and/or using a jigger.

The RV stewards will argue for a 4 year disqualification for Weir while the RAD board will determine the penalty Weir's not contesting the charge but the RAD board is independent and will make its own decision McLean is contesting the stewards finding in his case facing multiple charges same as Weir only difference is he was allegedly found with one jigger while Weir's cache was three.

"AR.175. The Principal Racing Authority (or the Stewards exercising powers delegated to them) may penalise;

(hh) Any person who: (i) uses, or attempts to use, any electric or electronic apparatus or any improper contrivance capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump-out or training gallop;
or (ii) has in his possession, any electric or electronic apparatus or any improper contrivance capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump-out or training gallop.
 For the purposes of this provision where an electric or electronic apparatus has been designed to deliver an electric shock it is deemed to be capable of affecting the performance of a horse in a race, official trial, jump out or training gallop."


Giddy Up :beer:

You'll find the difference is Weir was on a licensed premises, McLean wasn't hence why he'll fight it.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-05, 11:43 AM
Stewards don't have video from inside Darren Weir stable


Ben Dorries c/racenet
05 February 2019

Racing Victoria integrity boss Jamie Stier says stewards are not in possession of any video from inside Darren Weir’s stable that has been the subject of widespread speculation.

There have been reports that a video from inside the stable and other allegations surrounding Weir have been under investigation for months.

Stier said stewards were aware of the reports and also the rumours that had been circulating - but revealed stewards were not in possession of video showing any alleged wrongdoing from Weir.

“We don’t have video here at this time that has been referred to,” Stier told Melbourne radio RSN on Tuesday morning.

“The offer is out there or the request is out there for people, if they feel they have information that may assist, to contact us.”

Stier wouldn’t be drawn on whether particular races or race results were under scrutiny from stewards, other than to say on RSN: “I would prefer not to comment on that other than to say that the stewards are and will continue to look at any matter that they think relevant, that includes any particular races they will scrutinise those and is there is any evidence that they believe requires questioning they will undertake the necessary questioning.”

Stier’s comments came after it was revealed Weir faces a four-year disqualification from racing after deciding not to fight charges relating to possessing jiggers and for conduct prejudicial to the image of racing.

In a marathon show cause hearing with Racing Victoria stewards which lasted over 11 hours, the Melbourne Cup-winning trainer elected not to contest charges after being told stewards were seeking a four-year ban.

Weir might not be contesting the charges against him – but Stier revealed the trainer didn’t answer any questions from stewards at the show cause hearing at Racing Victoria.

“Mr Weir actually didn’t answer questions in front of the stewards last night,” Stier said on RSN.

“He was legally represented and his legal representatives put forward all the relevant positions.”

Weir will not contest the three charges issued against him under AR 175(hh)(ii) for possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse; and the charge issued against him under AR175A for conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.





You would think by now with all the rumour and innuendo that it would have been forwarded by now to stewards if it exists  :chin:  :whistle:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-05, 07:32 PM
Below are some articles from people within the racing industry and outside. People can make their own judgement on this and work out whether some of the comments from within the industry will resonate with non race goers or seen as excuses for bad behaviour.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/moody-understands-weir-s-call-to-not-fight-charges-20190205-p50vvl.html

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/feeding-the-beast-did-size-of-stable-put-undue-pressure-on-weir-20190205-p50vuo.html

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/new-mp-leads-field-of-animal-activists-calling-for-weir-life-ban-20190205-p50vt8.html



Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-05, 07:38 PM
Racing Victoria's statement:
Racing Victoria stewards this morning concluded their hearing into Show Cause Notices issued against licensed trainers Darren Weir and Jarrod McLean on Friday, 1 February 2019.
Mr Weir and Mr McLean were asked to show cause why the stewards ought not exercise their powers pursuant to Australian Rule of Racing (AR) 8(z) pending the hearing and determination of charges issued against them by RV stewards on 1 February also. The charges are to be heard on a date to be fixed by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board.
The hearing opened on 1 February via teleconference where Mr Weir and Mr McLean were represented by their legal representative who made submissions on their behalf. Mr Weir and Mr McLean, accompanied by legal representatives, attended the resumption of the hearing at RV yesterday to make further submissions.

Among the submissions, the stewards heard that:
• Mr Weir will not contest the three charges issued against him under AR 175(hh)(ii) for possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse; and the charge issued against him under AR175A for conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing; and

• Mr McLean will be contesting the charge issued against him under AR 175(hh)(ii) for possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse; and the charge issued against him under AR175A for conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing;

The stewards deliberated and determined the following:
Darren Weir
Stewards will now request that the RAD Board hear and determine the charges laid against Mr Weir at the earliest opportunity. While the decision of penalty is ultimately that of the RAD Board, given the severity of the charges stewards will be seeking disqualification for a period of four years. Mr Weir was informed that this was the stewards’ position before he determined not to contest the charges.

Until such time as the hearing and determination of these charges by the RAD Board and pursuant to AR 8(z), the following conditions have been imposed on Mr Weir with effect from midnight on Monday, 4 February 2019:
• that Mr Weir not be permitted to nominate horses for any races or official trials;
• that any horses trained by Mr Weir that have accepted to race be withdrawn by order of the stewards;
• that Mr Weir not be permitted to accept with any horses that he has nominated;
• that any horse currently nominated for a race, but not accepted, must be transferred from Mr Weir to another trainer with the approval of the stewards prior to acceptance time should the owners wish it to compete in the nominated race; and
• that Mr Weir must divest himself of any registered ownership interest in a registered horse, prior to that horse being permitted to accept for any race.

Jarrod McLean
On the basis that Mr McLean will contest the charges, significant conditions have been imposed on his operation until such time as the charges have been heard and determined by the RAD Board including that Mr McLean not be permitted to receive any horses to train that were in the care of Mr Weir as at 30 January 2019.
Subject to the condition stated above, Mr McLean will be permitted to continue to nominate and accept horses for races and official trials.

Tyson Kermond
In light of the communications between RV stewards and the legal representatives of licensed foreperson Tyson Kermond, Mr Weir and Mr McLean, and the information provided on their behalf since charges were issued on 1 February, stewards have determined that the charges for failing to assist the stewards need not be pursued.
 
Racing Victoria's Executive General Manager – Integrity, Jamie Stier stated, “This is a complex matter and the stewards were determined to be thorough and give due consideration to the submissions made, their legal advice and the ongoing investigations.

“Darren Weir is facing serious charges of possessing three electrical apparatus and conduct prejudicial to the interests or image of racing. He has advised the stewards that he will not contest those charges which have drawn considerable negative publicity to the sport.

“To that end, stewards have requested that the RAD Board expedite the hearing of Mr Weir’s charges at which point they will be seeking a four-year disqualification.
“Until such time as the RAD Board convenes to hear and determine Mr Weir’s charges, the stewards have imposed strict conditions on his licence that ensure he is not permitted to enter or race any horses as a trainer or owner.

“On the basis that Mr McLean advised the stewards that he will contest the charges against him, significant conditions have also been imposed on his operation until such time as the charges have been heard and determined by the RAD Board.

“In reaching these positions on the Show Cause Notices, the stewards note that investigations remain ongoing and that they reserve the right to act upon any new evidence that comes to hand during the course of those investigations.”

ENDS
Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-06, 02:07 AM
This Is Your Racing Life (racing.com) - Dr Turf with Darren Weir in October 2017



Two observations:

i) For the entire show he is swivelling in his chair. Probably nervous on the camera.
ii) Looking at Dr Turf these days the sponsor appears apt.

Lots of names dropped. You wonder if those people are cringing now. One of the commentators on YouTube says he feels sorry for the Coffeys.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-06, 07:20 AM
I am finding it interesting that there seems a lack of conjecture as to what the coppers are gonna do....and what further crap this guy is in.
What about the money?
Will previous race results be questioned?
Will staff be questioned?
Why not lifetime ban?
Were they fixing races?
Will we ever know?
Why do we not trust our instincts, when this guy had the most shifty demeanour and his results were out of the blue and ridiculously good.?
Debate. :bye:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-06, 07:31 AM
The biggest question for me is , is there any evidence to show they were rigging races

We know he pushes the boundaries with treatments etc and it appears jiggers are a training tool. Both show he’s not as good a trainer as some thought

But that is all 2nd to, is there any evidence to show they were rigging races :chin:

Having witnessed some rides by his stable jocks and lining the other ducks up, you’d think the answer is yes  :yes:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-06, 08:19 AM
MAHER/EUSTACE TO BALLARAT?
February 5, 2019 5:54 pm


Nigel Blackiston is moving to Ballarat and an even bigger outfit will also be heading there to take over the soon to be vacated stables of Darren Weir.

Ballarat Turf Club chief executive Lachlan McKenzie would not reveal details or names when pressed about the likely new inhabitant of the Weir stable but racing’s rumor mill has the rapidly growing Maher/Eustace stable front and centre.

Asked yesterday whether he was on the move, Maher was coy saying “of course we’d look at it but we’ll just let the dust settle (on Weir) first.”

The 22 Caulfield trainers, which include Maher/Eustace, were given a five-year eviction notice late last year.

McKenzie did say that an announcement was imminent and that while it was feasible for two or more stables to jointly use the Weir stable, it was likely  – and preferable  – for a single operation to take over.

It is unclear if the new inhabitants will buy or lease the stables from Weir.

Chris Waller is also believed to be interested in establishing a large annex to his Sydney stable at Ballarat.

Maher was observed at the Ballarat for most of this morning, fueling speculation of a major uprooting from Booran Road at Caulfield to Miners Rest.

Maher/Eustace is one of Australia’s most rapidly growing stables and will soon have over 200 horses in work.

Its likely arrival will coincide not just with the opening of the refurbished course proper, at a cost of $10 million, but also the arrival of Blackiston.

Blackiston advised his owners today that he was moving from Flemington, were he has trained for almost 20 years, to a stable for 32 horses up the back of the Ballarat track, behind the grandstand.

Those stables had previously been used for pre-training by Weir but Blackiston insisted his move was unrelated to the Weir dramas of the last week.

“We’ve been in negotiations with the club for over a year,” Blackiston said. “I just thought it was time for a change and Ballarat is a terrific training centre.”

Weir employee Mick Leonard is the interim trainer of the remaining Weir horses but the conditions of his position are that the horses cannot race while for the 28 days Leonard is training them.

McKenzie said whoever found themselves at Weir’s Forest Lodge would be “in the best training yard in Australia, bar none. It’s amazing what Darren has set up there.”

BY: Matt Stewart RSN Racing Editor

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It has been reported  that the Ballarat stables are jointly owned by the racing club and Darren Weir....... consequently you would think RV would require Weir to dispose of his interest just as he has been required to divest hisself of all horses in which he has an interest Forest Lodge Racing I think is the ownership of the horses...in other words a lease of his interest wouldn't cut it.

Giddy Up :beer:

 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-06, 09:26 AM
Police inquiry continues as Weir faces four-year ban
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER


NOT CHARGED: Darren Weir fronts the board today.

PHONE taps are believed to have been used by police in the bombshell investigation into horse trainer Darren Weir.

Police are following several lines of inquiry but have not yet decided if they will charge the Melbourne Cup-winning trainer, Australia’s biggest and most successful.

Weir is expected to be disqualified for four years at a Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board hearing today over the possession of three “jiggers” – electronic apparatus, allegedly used for shocking horses in order to get them to run faster.

The phone tap revelations show the wide-ranging nature of a police inquiry which is also understood to involve video surveillance at a Weir stable.

Racing Victoria investigators had been running the jigger inquiry for 18 months before it was referred to police last August.

RV officials do not have the powers to carry out some intrusive investigative functions such as tapping phones.

Victoria Police’s sporting integrity intelligence unit, accompanied by Australian Federal Police and racing integrity operatives, executed warrants at properties near Warrnambool and Ballarat last Wednesday.

The raid uncovered the jiggers, an unlicensed firearm and a substance believed to be cocaine.

The Weir police inquiry goes well beyond the alleged use of jiggers.

Victoria Police have stated that one element of the investigation relates to “engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome”.

Another is the “use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes”.

Such matters – if police push ahead – would most likely be sent to the Office of Public Prosecutions for advice on charges.

Racing is awash with rumours of a video involving alleged maltreatment of a horse on a treadmill.

Racing integrity chief Jamie Stier said RV was not in possession of the video, but encouraged members of the public with information to contact them or police.

There is also speculation the phone taps might have intercepted conversations with licensed personnel, including jockeys.

Weir faced the RV stewards in a marathon hearing on Monday night. That inquiry is not believed to have delved into betting issues.

Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.

ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-06, 10:22 AM
Jiggers located in Darren Weir’s master bedroom

Three electrical devices known as jiggers found at trainer Darren Weir’s property were located in the master bedroom, the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board has heard.

The RAD Board has retired to consider a four-year disqualification Racing Victoria stewards are seeking over Weir’s charge of possession of the illegal devices.

Racing Victoria counsel Jeff Gleeson told the hearing the devices were found in the bedroom which indicated a desire to hide them from a stewards’ inspection. He said there was no lack of knowledge coming from Weir about the devices which could infer that having them in his possession was a risk he was prepared to take.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/jiggers-located-in-darren-weirs-master-bedroom/news-story/5a828a13b02d5a0adf60799f5f04972e

How does Mr Gleeson know that the jiggers were in the bedroom because of a desire to hide them? Maybe they are in the master bedroom for another reason  :chin:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-06, 10:40 AM
PP

Best you keep your dirty secrets to yourself. :embarrassed:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2019-Feb-06, 11:07 AM
Maybe they are in the master bedroom for another reason  :chin:

I've seen stranger 'explanations' offered . . and sometimes accepted . . in courts of law
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-06, 01:59 PM
Defence: "I am into S and M yer honour..its really just a tickle." :nowink:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-06, 04:00 PM
Police inquiry continues as Weir faces four-year ban
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER



Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.

ENDS



Well there's one rumour put to bed   emthup  undetectable synthetic drugs from China   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-06, 04:01 PM
Gin, was it you who said this might rival “the darkest day in sport” nonsense that we had a few years back?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-06, 04:18 PM
I did Wily.

For all the hoopla and circus they have a few jiggers  :shrug: Surely there is more to 18 months investigation than that  :/

Talks of videos / drugs etc so far seem unfounded but it might be a different story with the phone taps  :shutup:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: fours on 2019-Feb-06, 04:26 PM
Gintara,

Plenty of room for hoopla yet - taps may show big betting, or not,  around Trap For Fools copping the jigger, or not, and thus corrupting race outcomes and of course there is the matter of animal cruelty...

Fours
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-06, 04:32 PM
4s. In this day and age he deserves the book thrown at him for the cruelty angle but I’m not confident  anything else will come out :what:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-06, 05:34 PM

MR BORNSTEIN: Thank you. I accept and adopt the facts as recounted by
Judge Bowman on behalf of my colleagues and the decision to uphold the
charges. But with respect to my colleagues, I differ in respect of the
appropriate penalty in this matter.
Although the Stewards and Mr Weir have reached a common position as to
.Weir 6/2/19 P-7
RLC
penalty, as observed by Judge Bowman, the Board is not bound to adopt that
common position. Previous analogous cases are a guide but do not also bind
the Board in the disposition of a particular case, as each case must be
determined on the facts and on the merits, and this case has features which
distinguish itself from previous cases.
In this case, I have determined that I would impose a penalty of two and a half
years' disqualification in respect of Charges 1 to 3, which I will call the
possession charges, and in addition, a penalty of two and a half years for
Charge 6, a charge of engaging in conduct prejudicial to the interests of racing,
the penalties to be served cumulatively, that is, a total of five years.
I have taken into account the submissions of Mr Gleeson for the Stewards and
Mr Weir's cooperation with an expeditious hearing of this matter. In some
senses, as Mr Gleeson has noted, the circumstances of this case are
unprecedented. Mr Weir is arguably the most successful trainer in Australia,
operates the largest training establishment in this country and has achieved
enormous prominence.
In these circumstances and in the context of very serious charges that have
been upheld, the damage to the reputation of the horseracing industry is
enormous and of great concern. I take into account that Mr Weir has pleaded
no contest to the charges and not offered any explanation for his conduct. Such
circumstances also in my opinion harm the reputation of the industry and are
relevant in particular to Charge 6.
.Weir 6/2/19 P-8
RLC
The charges as observed by Judge Bowman are of a most serious nature and
must be punished accordingly. The punishment must be just and provide a
deterrent to Mr Weir personally not to repeat such conduct again. Even more
importantly, the punishment must provide an appropriate general deterrent that
is heeded loudly and clearly throughout the industry by all licensed persons. A
penalty of five years' disqualification would also reflect this Board's strong
denunciation of Mr Weir's conduct in this case.
In reaching this conclusion, I have also taken into account Mr Weir's record.
There are no previous analogous matters which bear on this matter. I have also
taken into account the significant effect on Mr Weir of such a penalty and those
around him, including his staff.
CHAIRMAN: The end result of course, to make it quite clear, is that the
penalty imposed is four years' disqualification.


https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/2019-rv/integrity/rad/february/2019-02-06-rad-board-hearing-result-and-decision---d-weir.pdf?la=en

ENDS

Majority decision prevails 4 years as above the third member Josh Bornstein would have given him 5 years....emphasised that the  jigger charge was possession not use other cases mentioned but not considered appropriate.

Racing.com inside theRAD board hearing.

https://www.racing.com/videos/2019-02-06/inside-the-rad-board-hearing

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-06, 06:07 PM


Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.



So the widely reported "fact" that he was found in possession of a small amount of cocaine was a media lie?

Did that influence the sentencing? There was a time when you didn't know the penalties until the decision was made and read out.

These days everything gets given to the media well in advance. We all knew it was going to be 4 years.

So will it be 4 years? Or at the end of the four year sentence will the media be jumping up and down insisting he never gets his license back al a Danny Nikolic?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-06, 06:16 PM
I took that to relate to the 'unknown' liquid that was rumoured to have been found and sent for testing  :shrug:

No mention from stewards or police but plenty of scuttlebutt relating to it  :shutup:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-06, 08:27 PM
Don't tell me dear old Poison is back defending the indefensible. Weir should have been warned off  for life. That might be the least of his problems. Got a feeling what has occurred so far is just the tip of the iceberg. Stewards had to move quickly and secure the health and welfare of the horses under his control. This show is far from over. By the way , haven't we all missed Danny ? Poison there is a couple over in Fiji in a little bit of hot water about some drug issues. Maybe they could get Dan over there as a character witness while he has a bit of time on his side.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-06, 08:35 PM
Not sure about PP defending the Fiji mob but I know Mair did :bulb:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-06, 09:02 PM

Ready, fire, aim!

Tasers used on people, cattle-prods used on cattle, whips used on horses ...... what is the big deal here.

Can we expect a wave of 'me too' exposures from stable staff?

The case for a royal commission is building.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-06, 10:07 PM
Weir should have been warned off  for life.

Gun on what basis?

We can all surmise what he was up to but the evidence here is for possession.  Possession of something I can buy off E-bay for $33.50 delivered  :shrug:

Preusker in 2007 was disqualified for four years, 2 1/2 of which was for possession. So there's already precedence set.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-06, 10:24 PM
Ready, fire, aim!

Tasers used on people, cattle-prods used on cattle, whips used on horses ...... what is the big deal here.

Can we expect a wave of 'me too' exposures from stable staff?

The case for a royal commission is building.

Does this mean you think Weir should not have been suspended?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-06, 10:41 PM
Wily,
 I am sure PP is probably not defending the Fiji mob but equally he has the traits of some of my dear departed aunties who always saw "the best in people.". I also note your old mate (the resident crackpot , also known as Mair ) is calling for another Royal Commission into God knows what. Maybe he should join Weir on the sidelines for four years or even better stick him in a Perth cab with your other mate for an extended period and if by chance he is not crazy yet , then that should top him off nicely.
Gintara I take your point but having said that, precedents established by tribunals are no where near as binding as those precedents established in Courts of Law. Whatever anyone else got is simply not something which will bind another Board or Tribunal. I think he got lucky , but as I said before , I believe much more has to play out yet.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-06, 10:53 PM
So the widely reported "fact" that he was found in possession of a small amount of cocaine was a media lie?

Did that influence the sentencing? There was a time when you didn't know the penalties until the decision was made and read out.

These days everything gets given to the media well in advance. We all knew it was going to be 4 years.

So will it be 4 years? Or at the end of the four year sentence will the media be jumping up and down insisting he never gets his license back al a Danny Nikolic?

Horse racing is one of the few industries where we have deregistered individuals being allowed to return with open arms.

The fact that some individuals making excuses for Weir that he is a good bloke or good horseman or under immense pressure etc is insulting to every untainted trainer who work their butts off and follow the rules.

I have sympathy for his workers who maybe completely innocent but are now facing an uncertain future.

PP, I agree with you regarding the sentence as it looks like a agreement between Weir and the Tribunal. However after the Oliver sentence nothing will surprise me.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-07, 03:11 AM
Horse racing is one of the few industries where we have deregistered individuals being allowed to return with open arms.

The fact that some individuals making excuses for Weir that he is a good bloke or good horseman or under immense pressure etc is insulting to every untainted trainer who work their butts off and follow the rules.

I have sympathy for his workers who maybe completely innocent but are now facing an uncertain future.

PP, I agree with you regarding the sentence as it looks like a agreement between Weir and the Tribunal. However after the Oliver sentence nothing will surprise me.

In spite of gunbower's rant I have no problem with the sentence. Like a lot of racing people I love horses and am abhorred by cruelty to the animal.

Am just asking the question that once he has done his time will people allow him to return to the racing game?

Or are people like gunbower (and the media who like to make up things like the "cocaine" found) going to emerge from the woodwork in four years time and start calling for him to be banned for life on top of his four years served.

Four years for possession of jiggers seems about right - maybe at the high end a little when you look at other sentences.

But by instructing his solicitors to plead "no contest" he has admitted to the crime and accepted his sentence.

He should be allowed to start serving it in peace without the histrionics of social media. And when that sentence is complete he should be allowed to train again with the requisite scrutiny to make sure he is sticking to the rules.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: fours on 2019-Feb-07, 03:28 AM
PP7,

Tend to agree there is a lot more to come.

Trap For Fools ( ironic name huh? ) ratings changed dramatically and IF they knew this was very likely then betting records may well tell the story along with phone tap info for this and other instances.

Fours
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-07, 07:33 AM
Agree with PP.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-07, 07:34 AM
Me to but there needs to be strong guidelines put in on his return
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-07, 07:40 AM
But by instructing his solicitors to plead "no contest" he has admitted to the crime and accepted his sentence.

PP this is not a magnanimous gesture by Weir. He hasn't admitted to any crime. He has entered a plea of no contest to breaking the rules of racing. That is all he has done. The path Weir and his solicitors have steered is to do nothing to prejudice his chances if criminal proceedings are implemented against him by Victoria Police. The consequences of those could be far more dire than anything within the powers of the Racing Authorities. I would also suggest that if criminal proceedings were implemented and successful then the Racing Authorities would have the power to increase his penalties.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-07, 08:11 AM
One of the more vexing issues to consider is whether ANY Weir horses should be allowed to continue their career.
Seriously.
If the horse has been trained with a jigger, it is, in a way, forever corrupted.
If jigging coincided with whip use, not some other mysterious action, then are we really running a fair race when these
horses are allowed to continue racing?
What a mess!
Legal counsel please!
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Wenona on 2019-Feb-07, 08:44 AM
Don't tell me dear old Poison is back defending the indefensible.

And the belief that an accused may not have he right to be represented because they are 'indefensible' is far more dangerous to our society than owning a jigger.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: richo on 2019-Feb-07, 09:09 AM
so shogun  he stewards should ask every horse in the stable have you been hit with a jigger the answers would probably be neigh .you cant penalise all those owners by taking their horses off them.i trained for 25 years never used one in fact hated them but got a horse once who had been done up and had won 4 and was finished bit of kindness and no power he won 17 races  weir has done the crime and got his 4 years if he wants to train again  is up to him and the stewards
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-07, 09:19 AM
Maher and Eustace to takeover Weir's Ballarat stable......Punters.com
By Nick Hluchaniuk about an hour ago
Ciaron Maher and David Eustace will train at BallaratImage: Getty
(https://i.postimg.cc/SngcTTFN/Maher-Eustace-734x460.png) (https://postimg.cc/SngcTTFN)

The training partnership of Ciaron Maher and David Eustace will takeover Darren Weir's stabling complex at Ballarat effective immediately.

Racing Victoria stewards said they had approved the application on the conditions:

- That the transfer of any horses from Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership must remain on an individual basis by application of the owners and subject to the approval of the stewards; and

- That the Maher-Eustace partnership would not be permitted to nominate any horse under the care of Weir at the time of his disqualification on Wednesday, 6 February 2019 until such time as it has been transferred to their care with the approval of steward.

Stewards have advised Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to.

The news will come as a welcome relief to Darren Weir's staff at the complex formerly known as Forest Lodge.

Maher said all staff would stay on in the interim.

"They will all stay on for a period and then we’ll work out how many horses are staying on and work out how many staff are required on that basis," Maher told RSN.

Racing Victoria Chief Executive Giles Thompson said the announcement would provide staff with greater certainty.

“We trust this morning’s announcement by the Ballarat Turf Club and Ciaron Maher Racing will be welcomed by those staff affected by Darren Weir’s disqualification and provide them with greater certainty about their immediate working future after a challenging week," Thompson said.

“This is also a positive announcement for the Ballarat community, along with those local suppliers servicing the industry, that a major high-profile training combination in Ciaron Maher and David Eustace have moved swiftly to fill the void that has been left by Mr Weir.

“This also presents a viable option for those owners of Mr Weir’s who would like their horses to remain in their current training environment at Ballarat, where they can utilise the wonderful facilities of the Ballarat Turf Club."

Maher said he was excited about the opportunity to train out of Ballarat after coming to an agreement on Tuesday with Weir and Racing Victoria.

"(I'm) really excited to be able to secure it, albeit you don’t want to see it that way, someone’s put their heart and soul into a place," Maher said.

"It's quite an odd feeling. It would have been, I can imagine, very tough for Darren, but we got through it."

The training partnership had already had a number of Weir runners transferred to them, including Group One winners Extra Brut, Land of Plenty, Voodoo Lad, Sopressa and Humidor.

Maher said he'd spoken to Weir to get an insight into every horse.

"I went through every horse individually with Darren about their traits and little quirks and he was great."

The move comes just a month after the training partnership announced they would also have a base at Warwick Farm in Sydney, with a capacity for 30 horses.

Maher also confirmed the stable had no intention of making an early move from Caulfield despite now have a large training complex at Ballarat.


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This must be the smoothest and quickest property sale ever........You would think they would need a bank loan............. how quickly would that be approved property inspections to protect the investment conveyancing and titles transfer all take time...RV appears to be satisfied despite the formalities involved...good news for the staff and also for Weir divesting hisself of the stables so quickly and possibly saving him redundancy payouts for staff if any are found to be surplus to reqiurements.

"From Justhorseracing.com
Training partnership Ciaron Maher and David Eustace are set to take over Darren Weir’s stables in Ballarat with the two purchasing the property from the disgraced trainer after he was banned for four years.
Trainer Ciaron Maher has confirmed this morning he has purchased Weir’s Ballarat stables and has been granted approval to take over training from the Forest Lodge facility from tomorrow with the intention to take on a large amount of ex Weir horses subject to the approval of the stewards.
The stewards have also advised Messers Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Mr Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to."

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"RV statement on Maher, Eustace
Racing Article Racing.com Staff@Racing   8:25am

Racing Victoria (RV) stewards advise that they have granted approval for the training partnership of Ciaron Maher and David Eustace to replace trainer Darren Weir at the Ballarat stabling complex formerly known as Forest Lodge with effect from today – Thursday, 7 February 2019.

Stewards have approved the application on the following conditions:

that the transfer of any horses from Mr Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership must remain on an individual basis by application of the owners and subject to the approval of the stewards; and
that the Maher-Eustace partnership will not be permitted to nominate any horse under the care of Mr Weir at the time of his disqualification on Wednesday, 6 February 2019 until such time as it has been transferred to their care with the approval of stewards.
In approving the application, the stewards note that there are a number of milestones in the planned transfer of the Ballarat stabling complex from Mr Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership and that they will be monitoring the successful achievement of these.

The stewards have also advised Messrs Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Mr Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to."

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-07, 09:26 AM
There was a news report about the police tapping his phone. I remember a similar case but the police declined to share the recordings as it was a criminal organisation case thus the stewards wanting to penalise the jockeys etc was considered too low as a priority.

Weir’s referral to the police was instigated by the RVL so not sure if any recordings will be released to them. There is also the jockey tapes from a while ago too which resulted in Cassidy getting suspended.

Precedents there on both sides.

Below article is a view from outside the industry. No betting on if most of us agree with it but likely to ignore it as too much trouble to follow up.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/weir-ban-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers-20190206-p50w4f.html

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Feb-07, 10:33 AM
According to Peter FitzSimons the four year ban on Weir does not go far enough, however far worse for DW is his financial future..

Only the day before his arrest DW returned from New Zealand having paid millions for yearlings which he intended to syndicate, I do not think a savior like, Dato Tan Chin Nam, will come to his rescue as he did with J B Cummings when he got into bother over his purchases of yearlings all those years ago.

Weir has spent up millions in part-share with race clubs, in establishing state-of-the-art stables at Ballarat & Warrnambool,  together with his own stables outright in Maldon. I would imagine all of those would have been financed by loans based on his continuing success as a trainer. If those stables are subject to a fire sale  DW could be in a bit of trouble as his loan to equity ratio might not cover any losses.

Only the other day at the Banking Royal Commission, we all got a good idea how he will fare as a defaulter on any loans with banks. :shy:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-07, 11:55 AM
Hall of Fame trainer Lee Freedman says he has no sympathy for Darren Weir.

Freedman said the allegations against the trainer were the worst kept secret in racing and believes we haven’t heard the last of the case.

Freedman told Macquarie Sports Radio, “I think it was probably the worst kept secret in racing, everyone thought that something was going on there.”

“I don’t think we’ve heard the last of the Darren Weir case, that’s my mail,” he said.

“I can’t really have any sympathy for someone who deliberately set out to do that sort of stuff.”



Darren Weir was banned for four years by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board on Wednesday.

He opted not to fight any of the charges, which included the possession of three banned ‘jiggers’ used to shock horses into running faster.

Police raided his stables last week, reportedly finding a firearm and small amounts of cocaine at his property.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-07, 11:57 AM
Always been a straight shooter . (pardon the pun )
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-07, 12:36 PM
You have to wonder about Racing.

Someone who was disqualified  for 6 months for not knowing what was going on in his own stable - a year later gets to take over the biggest stable in the land.

It's a worry.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-07, 02:50 PM
The judge Bowman  was rather kind I thought in commenting on Weir's disciplinary history...nothing significant in recent years.... I feel some sympathy for him throwing his career away  for possession which is a much lesser offence than usage ....had he been caught in the act ...who knows he may never have used them there's no evidence of usage otherwise he would have been charged with that offence ......as far as consistency in sentencing referred to in the RAD boards's decision  it was given a fleeting mention with the board  rubber stamping the stewards view as 4 years being appropriate for being in possession of 3 jiggers ....which the RD board and everyone else describe as instruments of cruelty...I've never been hit with a jigger or know of anyone that used one other than the rumours that surface ..one recent letter writer to the CM wrote a jockey at Mt Isa handed the jigger surreptitiously to the trainer after he returned to scale .....the trainer put it in his pocket and while talking to the chief steward put his hand on the jigger and got a shock... I did get a shock once by putting one finger into the light socket while replacing the bulb it wasn't painful I just felt like my finger had touched a spinning wheel for a second .......40watts maybe I can't imagine a jigger being as powerful as that.......but what surprises me is that while jiggers are rightly prohibited and described as cruel .....spurs aren't considered cruel...many years ago I remember seeing this racehorse being walked past my friend's house and its hide was scarred in dozens of places  obviously from the use of spurs the horse was named Comforter I've never forgotten him.......Weir deserved time out but 4 years was a figure plucked out of the blue and not comparable to any other penalties....probably due to his acceptance of the charges not one word spoken in his defence..the financial fallout is likely to be horrendous although Maher & Eustace say they  have already bought Weir's share of the Ballarat stable....absent any knowledge of the processes that have to be in place.
Meanwhile I received an sms from Ladbrokes to the effect that I had backed a horse which ran second to one of Weir's so they gave me a Bonus bet that's generous of them .

Giddy Up :beer: 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-07, 03:11 PM
You have to wonder about Racing.

Someone who was disqualified  for 6 months for not knowing what was going on in his own stable - a year later gets to take over the biggest stable in the land.

It's a worry.

Didn't say anything but I thought the exact same thing ianb   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-07, 03:52 PM
Hall of Fame trainer Lee Freedman says he has no sympathy for Darren Weir.

Freedman said the allegations against the trainer were the worst kept secret in racing and believes we haven’t heard the last of the case.

Freedman told Macquarie Sports Radio, “I think it was probably the worst kept secret in racing, everyone thought that something was going on there.”

“I don’t think we’ve heard the last of the Darren Weir case, that’s my mail,” he said.

“I can’t really have any sympathy for someone who deliberately set out to do that sort of stuff.”



Darren Weir was banned for four years by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board on Wednesday.

He opted not to fight any of the charges, which included the possession of three banned ‘jiggers’ used to shock horses into running faster.

Police raided his stables last week, reportedly finding a firearm and small amounts of cocaine at his property.

One can only assume that all those rumours about lee were incorrect as he’s slammed Weir :chin:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-07, 05:37 PM
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.

Let me put it this way, if I was a owner, trainer or jockey who ran 2nd to a Weir runner in a race, how would you feel now?

As Peter Fitzsimmons said in his article what about the jockeys or staff who were involved in the alleged use of the jiggers that were found in Weir’s bedroom. Before people say he never admitted to it, an innocent person never accepts a 4 year ban, sells their business, leaves themselves open to law suits and financial ruin.

So why haven’t the RVL stewards focused on the jockeys, staff etc. Why haven’t the racing writers brought this anomaly up as jiggers on horses do not work without other people’s involvement and I cannot ever recall Weir riding trackwork or riding in races?

Does the racing industry accept that cheating is the norm at times with a sacrificial lamb at times? Yes there is time for RVL stewards to investigate but sometimes it takes outsiders to ask questions which in reality should be dealt by those assigned to protect racing.

Match fixing in sports usually results in life or very lengthy bans but not in the racing industry. However in the case of Weir it has not been proven but then again why would anyone plead guilt or no contest to the charge of possession of jiggers if there was no financial gain.

The article from Fitzsimmons again below and unlike our resident Pete, I don’t believe in a RC but there should be accountability.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/weir-ban-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers-20190206-p50w4f.html
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-07, 06:33 PM
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.


I hope you aren't referring to me. I'm certainly not feeling sorry for him.

I feel sorry for the innocent parties like the stablehands working in country areas for little money who will now receive nothing unless they can find work elsewhere.

I think 4 years is a fair penalty for the crime. It is a little bit more than what we usually see for the use of jiggers but as the judges noted he deserves a little more given what was expected of him as an industry leader.

At the end of 4 years he has served his time and should be allowed to return to the game without social media shrills saying he should be banned for life like happened with Danny Nikolic.

Maybe I'm old fashioned. Maybe this is the new way of society. Someone does the crime. Does the time. Then social and mainstream media decide they should do some more. A bit like how they handle political prisoners in third world countries and places like Russia and China  :bulb:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-07, 06:41 PM
Fitzsimmons knows nothing about racing and IMO we are all the better for it..... but like everyone else he is entitled to his opinion .....but as a paid media scribbler he should get the facts right before mouthing off ......Weir wasn't found "using jiggers" as he claimed .....he wasn't  charged with usage.... he was charged with possession...there's quite some difference.

Fitzsimmons has difficulty in separating the facts from fiction he should have read and understood the RAD board decision  parts of which are reproduced hereunder to set the record straight...as for Hore -Lacy QC brother of Rick .....he's in error claiming Preusker got 4 years for using a jigger ...he only got two and a half years for usage not mere possession as Weir is guilty of ....and for jeunes benefit Weir admitted his guilt and uncomplainingly accepted his punishment I think that's something  to be admired which is not to be taken as supporting his possession of the 3 jiggers.

EXTRACT RAD BOARD DECISION
"There are three things that Mr Forrest and I would emphasise at the outset: (1) this is a case of possession and not use of jiggers, the electronic apparati; (2) we are not bound by what has effectively been agreed between yourself and the Stewards as to a penalty of four years' disqualification. We can go higher or lower. We take into account what the Stewards say about penalty. (3) This is not necessarily the end of the matter. If further information comes to hand which leads to the laying of further charges, they can be heard."

 AND

"In relation to penalty for the possession charge, we bear in mind the desirability of parity of sentencing. Cases such as this are those of Paul Preusker, Holly McKechnie and that of Nicole Boyd. Each faced multiple charges, including use of jiggers. In the case of Preusker and McKechnie, the charges involved the use of jiggers on the racetrack during training. Further, Preusker pleaded not guilty and fought the charges unsuccessfully before this Board and on appeal. On appeal, the penalties imposed by this Board were repeated and stood. The penalties imposed for possession were as follows: Preusker, disqualified for two and a half years; McKechnie, disqualified for two years; Boyd, disqualified for 18 months."

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-07, 07:38 PM
I am not having a go at anyone in the forum, but let us be honest about it, we all love racing here.

Possession of a jigger does not necessarily mean you have used it. However you have to be very naive to think anyone who accepts a 4 year penalty is Innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At the end of the day, we have doctors deregistered, lawyers, real estate agents etc. Nearly all of them don’t face criminal charges but are rarely allowed back to their profession without some supervision or allowed back at all. Our industry allows people to come back without scrutiny and yet we have millions gambled every day with some riding on these individuals or races involving them. That is a issue in 4 years.

Fitzsimmons is not a racing journalist and we know that. But we need to be honest and ask if others are involved as we all know how jiggers work. Do we think Weir taking the blame exonerates other parties involved and they face no penalties as Weir took the blame. I don’t and neither should people who like racing and watching the horses race.

I think Weir’s penalty is reasonable but I would have no objections for an extra year. At least he took the penalty and I do have grudging respect for it rather than drag the industry down further. However he should have been given longer if there is  evidence of any alleged fixing but it is up to RVL if they will investigate further.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Feb-08, 11:37 AM
Impossible for me to believe that the use of jiggers in horse racing is not widespread.

This is a quote from Paul Preusker  after his appeal failed for using jiggers on his horses  in 2007......"They are very aware that this sort of thing is going on and are making an example of it.
That example is me."

 Anyone who can be bothered can watch a replay of Preusker's horse I am Someone winning down the Flemington straight.
Riding hands and heels is one thing but these sort of hand movements are very suspicious.


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: redhair on 2019-Feb-08, 01:28 PM
Hard to say if 4 years is enough, considering the animal cruelty aspect.

I naively used to attribute the strong finish of Weir horses down to the uphill training track and maybe that was part of their  'advantage ' but now we will never know.

Maher taking over Weir's stable reminds me of the unintentional moment of comedy in the Royal Commission of  enquiry into banking where a banking chairman
 ( chair person sorry ) stated with a straight face   "it's almost impossible to find a CEO who hasn't been involved in some sort of breach or malpractice "
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-08, 01:58 PM
According to Peter FitzSimons the four year ban on Weir does not go far enough,



What relevance does his opinion hold?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-08, 04:32 PM
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.



Jeunes I think the irony is I can buy a jigger legally on E-bay for $33.50 (delivered) for 'animal management'  :/

A blokes career is in ruins, breaking the rules as the judge described with 'abhorrent behaviour' yet the other side of the fence is accepted practice as an animal moving tool  :shrug:

It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2019-Feb-08, 05:28 PM
It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:

"An alcoholic is someone who drinks more than his doctor . .

Insert appropriate comparison, for this situation . . or any other part of life
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-08, 07:15 PM
Jeunes I think the irony is I can buy a jigger legally on E-bay for $33.50 (delivered) for 'animal management'  :/

A blokes career is in ruins, breaking the rules as the judge described with 'abhorrent behaviour' yet the other side of the fence is accepted practice as an animal moving tool  :shrug:

It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:

That is a facetious argument as every sport has it's rules. Steroids can be bought legally in certain countries and doctors can prescribe them too to improve health etc but you can't use them if you are a professional athlete. A footballer is legally entitled to open a gambling account but can't bet on their code in most countries as they will be suspended or fined.

If we want to feel sorry for someone, what about the ones Weir beat. How much extra prizemoney, stud value, gambling dollars etc did Weir make at the expense of others if he used a jigger and not just be guilty of possession? We will never know for certain unless RVL stewards investigate.

One of the major deterrents to cheating is financial compensation or threat of losing it all. Weir made $31M in prizemoney last racing year. 10% of that is $3.1M not to mention training fees and stud values etc. If someone said to you, you can make millions from cheating but then cop a suspension but still keep the money what would you do. I would'nt but not everyone is like that.

This is not a witchhunt against Weir but clean up the industry by investigating and banning those involved. Open up a Pandora's box as the runner-ups may wish to sue all those involved for the extra prizemoney or stud value etc. In the Olympics, a drug test positive off a frozen sample result in the medals being re-awarded. 


 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-08, 07:49 PM
I'm not feeling sorry for DW Juenes as he knew the rules and was bound by them, maybe just putting some perspective on it.

There would be plenty tucking into their rib eyes tonight that wouldn't give a 2nd thought how that cow got onto that truck heading to the sale yards yet are quick to puff their chest out about Weir.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-08, 09:05 PM
Gin,  I agree with you regarding the hypocrisy at times with individuals. In some cases, when people like something we like it to be clean. Life is never fair but people who like racing need to call out those who corrupt it. Make it cleaner so it is a fairer playing ground for the punters, trainers, owners, jockeys, stable staff etc. Some of them are the real victims especially the smaller ones or who up against the wall trying to survive.

Fitzsimmons is not a racing fan and may never know the intricate details of racing however some of his points are valid regarding the involvement of others. Anyone in the racing industry knows it takes more than a trainer to use a jigger if the usage is true.

But if you read most posts here or articles from most racing journalists or racing media, it is ignored or glossed over. Why is that?

NRL had an off season hell but majority of the players are law abiding and do not cause trouble. Unfortunately those who do will taint the innocent. Greenberg is attempting to clean up and we may question some of his actions but at least he is trying to do. Racing needs to do the same.

If Winx got beaten in the Cox Plate to Humidor and then retired without breaking Caviar’s record, how would we all feel now regardless if Humidir raced cleanly etc. That is what this case has done. Which race was clean and which was not as rumours sometimes become to many as facts instead of fake news etc.

To prove the basis of unfounded rumours could have, please see below. He should be given the presumption of innocence but because no one knows which race is clean or not, he may have to live with rumours and the impact on his livelihood.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/nothing-to-worry-about-allen-defends-mackinnon-ride-20190208-p50wi1.html





Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-08, 11:57 PM
I'm not feeling sorry for DW Juenes as he knew the rules and was bound by them, maybe just putting some perspective on it.

There would be plenty tucking into their rib eyes tonight that wouldn't give a 2nd thought how that cow got onto that truck heading to the sale yards yet are quick to puff their chest out about Weir.

I'm guessing DKW had parents/relatives who were in the game and he learnt a lot of people who were training maybe around the 1940's onwards?? And those people learnt off people from periods earlier, etc. etc.

Point being - and it is a genuine question - does anyone know at what point jiggers became outlawed?

I would have thought they were thought of pretty much like cattle prods are back in the "old days". They would have been viewed as a legitimate device to extract maximum effort from the animal.

This is not a defence of Weir (before people jump on me). It is quite clear to everyone in the game these days that jiggers are unacceptable from both an ethical and a competitive perspective. Weir would have known this.

But it might give you an insight into where people get these ideas from. They tend to be handed down from mentors who may have been operating in days gone past when things that are unacceptable these days were allowed way back when. 

And food for thought? There is a very fine line between the use of a jigger and the use of a whip.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 12:29 AM
A couple of interesting articles from Racenet. More questions are being asked and the first article will open a can of worms if true. 

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/did-tip-off-from-stable-insider-lead-to-darren-weir-being-exposed-20190207

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/comment--darren-weir-saga---the-uncomfortable-questions-that-must-be-answered-20190207
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-09, 07:17 AM


What relevance does his opinion hold? (FITZSIMONS)

Only relevance, sadly, is his widespread readership that will paint the wrong picture
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Feb-09, 09:42 AM
A couple of interesting articles from Racenet. More questions are being asked and the first article will open a can of worms if true. 

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/did-tip-off-from-stable-insider-lead-to-darren-weir-being-exposed-20190207

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/comment--darren-weir-saga---the-uncomfortable-questions-that-must-be-answered-20190207
I'm not sure that Racenet deserve to be promoted in any way Jeunes.

They turn off comments on so many subjects and yet put themselves out there as the punter's best pal.

How can racing authorities gauge the depth of feeling about issues when opinion is stifled and shut down......punters are participants too.

Racenet lost me forever when they turned off comments on the High Bridge race.
They opened up comments weeks later after the NSW stewards found nothing untoward in their "deep probe"  :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 11:22 AM
Unfortunately the negative publicity of Weir the leading trainer by winners in Australia last racing year will affect most things short term before we all move on.

The question again is why Victoria again? Are all the other states very clean? Not sure and we may never found out.

Peter Moody's comments regarding suspensions below sums up the attitude of some people in the racing industry and that is why non race goers will find it hard to fathom in relation to de-registration of individuals in other industries.

Canberra Times article today providing a summary below. It is more balanced than some articles I have seen from both points of view regarding Weir as it also highlights his influence in the region and his character in some ways.

Where does the shadow of the Weir jiggers scandal end?
By Michael Lynch and Peter Ryan
February 9, 2019 — 12.15am

The moment when police discovered four electrical ''jiggers'' in the master bedroom above the Ballarat stable complex where Darren Weir lived was the moment one of the most romantic tales in Australian racing history came crashing to the turf. Police are preparing a brief of evidence against the disgraced trainer for the Office of Public Prosecutions and the potential for criminal charges - possibly involving betting and gaming offences as well as those of animal cruelty - reflect the magnitude of the probe. However that investigation unfolds, Weir's demise and four-year ban imposed by racing authorities has not only rocked racing here, but worldwide.


Melbourne Cup-winning trainer Darren Weir has been disqualified from racing for four years, after a disciplinary hearing was told electric-shock 'jiggers' were found in his home.
Weir, 48, is banned from any involvement in racing until at least 2023 after he was sensationally disqualified from training on Wednesday and opted not to contest the charges laid against him under the rules of racing.

Weir moved quickly to divest himself of his major racing investments, selling his Ballarat complex to fellow trainers Ciaron Maher and David Eustace, who bought his Forest Lodge stables on Thursday. The duo's prompt action means they will rapidly expand their business - and save the jobs of many of the 150 staff Weir employed in his burgeoning empire.
Weir will be hoping that his four-year disqualification will be where the sanctions end, so he can quickly begin to rebuild his life after the headlines fade.

But that will not be his decision alone. Even if there is no further fallout from the police investigation, Racing Victoria CEO Giles Thompson says that regaining his licence when the ban is served will not be a foregone conclusion. Weir will again have to appear before the stewards to show cause as to why he should be allowed to train horses again.

And Weir is expected to want to resume his career. Some thought an enforced break for a man who lived, slept and breathed his occupation might be beneficial.
''This could be a good thing for him in a weird way, as it will make him slow down, stop and reflect,'' was the view of one friend.

He will have to satisfy authorities that he has learned his lesson, and his lack of publicly expressed remorse at the RAD Board hearing was noted.
However, he said nothing at the request of his lawyer, Patrick Wheelahan - most likely a legal tactic to ensure that he did not make any remarks or comment that could be regarded as self-incriminating in the event of further charges.

Fellow champion trainer Peter Moody, of Black Caviar fame, was himself banned for six months, and knows what Weir is going through. Moody has yet to return to training, having walked away from the sport in 2016 after being found to have unintentionally administered a horse with a product that produced excessive cobalt levels. Moody has chosen to pursue a career in bloodstock, the media and with corporate bookmaker Ladbrokes instead of returning to training.
"I don't condone what he may or may not have done, but he is a human and he deserves respect. He has a family," said Moody.
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"I respect his decision not to defend himself, which I don't believe is an admission of guilt. I know what it costs to fight a case, which I didn't believe I should have to have fought."

Moody pointed out that several of the sport's past masters, including T.J. Smith, Bart Cummings and Lee Freedman, had fallen foul of stewards and spent time on the sidelines. None, though, faced a ban nearly as long as Weir's. "Throughout history some of the greatest trainers in the game have done time for various things. Do we look back through history and think differently of them?" he asked.
"I have great respect for what he's done and what he's gone through ... I don't think it [the events of the past week] should detract from what he has achieved."

And Weir achieved an extraordinary amount - including a record number of winners last year. His fall from grace has been dramatic.
The drama involving a man regarded as one of the most talented horsemen this country has produced began many months ago.

By August last year, stewards under the guidance of Victoria's Racing Integrity Unit, run by vastly experienced racing official Jamie Stier, believed there was substance to the rumours which had been sweeping the industry. Those rumours implied that the champion trainer's success might be down to more than just his freakish ability to train horses.

A series of tip-offs had alerted them to incidents that suggested a pattern , creating a ''hot spot'' around the champion trainer's Ballarat and Warrnambool stables.
One person close to the drama said it wasn't a single smoking gun, but a series of events or circumstances that alerted the integrity unit's data analysts to recommend further investigation.

Racing authorities approached Victoria Police in August - while the attention of the sporting world was focused on footy rather than the racetrack - to seek their help.  Police powers of surveillance - including phone tapping - are far more wide-ranging than those open to racing's integrity officers.
The six-month investigation by the force's relatively new Sporting Integrity Unit was kept secret from Weir, his staff and the racing industry - including punters, who celebrated the run of success with the catchphrase "back Weir, drink beer".

The Sporting Integrity Unit, detectives from Ballarat’s Divisional Response Unit and the Australian Federal Police (who were providing logistical support) were ready to pounce after Weir returned from the yearling sales in New Zealand late in January. He had been at the Karaka auctions where he, along with syndicate owners and business partners, splurged some $2 million on 16 yearlings which were to form the next wave of Weir winners.

Police knew where to look. When they swooped on his Forest Lodges Stables on Wednesday, January 30, as the sun came up in Ballarat, they discovered jiggers (electrical devices which can administer a shock to a horse to improve its performance) in the bedroom as well as an unregistered gun.

It is the possession of the jiggers which has shaken Weir's standing so much in the court of public opinion, with issues of animal welfare regarded so seriously. A jigger is used on a horse to improve its acceleration and performance. Typically it is administered during exercise - either in a racetrack gallop or on a treadmill - in conjunction with another action by the rider, perhaps a slap down the neck with a hand or the butt of a whip and a roar in the ears. The horse comes to associate the rider's action with the pain from the electrical charge and, as flight animals, the adrenalin kicks in and the horse will increase its effort and run faster.

Jockeys cannot carry jiggers in a race, but they can simulate the action carried out in training. In multimillion-dollar races which can be decided by centimetres, that can make all the difference.

When police arrived at Ballarat in late January they not only checked the living quarters but also  the always immaculate stables – kept spotless to impress visitors - and floats as shocked staff watched. Weir was subsequently arrested, along with his Warrnambool stable foreman Jarrod McLean and Tyson Kermond, a stable employee and strapper of one of Weir's best known gallopers, the multiple group 1 winner Black Heart Bart.

Weir was questioned through the day before he, McLean and Kermond were released without charge. Police are continuing their inquiries. The police concentrated their questioning on issues related to betting and the outcomes of races. They also showed Weir still images they had gained through a surveillance camera at his stables.

The shock arrest puts all of Weir's achievements under a cloud, none more so than the history-making 2015 Melbourne Cup win of Michelle Payne aboard rank outsider Prince of Penzance. That triumph made household names of Weir, Payne and strapper Stevie Payne, the brother of the winning jockey.

However, the image that the public now has of Weir is that of a man prepared to cheat and use every means, legal or illegal, to obtain victory.
Weir's rags-to-riches story had seemed one of the most feel-good tales in Australian sport. The man is a workaholic. Last year, at the end of his most successful season, he had been expected to take a lengthy break of three to four weeks. He returned to work after just five days. He also knew how to celebrate the increasingly frequent big race wins that came his way. Legendary are the tales of the Weir crew – owners, friends and staff – partying deep into the night in various Ballarat hostelries and clubs after a long day at trackwork in the morning and the races in the afternoon.

''He was a great horseman and a knockabout bloke. He could train a winner, but he could also celebrate and have a drink. He was the last to leave the pub, he was a machine,'' said rival trainer Manny Gelagotis.But Weir would always be back in harness early the following day.It was that dedication that saw him build his stable to the point where he trained more than 600 horses and became the linchpin of a Ballarat racing sector which contributed $59 million to the local economy.

He has saddled a staggering 3722 winners, 36 of them in group 1 races, the highest level of competition. Since the year 2000, his horses had earned nearly $150 million in prize money.He has won not just the Melbourne Cup, but Derbies and major handicaps all over the country. In the 2012-13 season he had a total of 183 winners, the majority in country areas. By the 2017-18 season his score had mushroomed to 490 winners from a staggering 3179 runners. That was more than 100 more than Chris Waller, the man who prepares the champion Winx.

Year after year Weir was setting, and then breaking, metropolitan and Commonwealth training records, and it seemed certain he would become the first man to send out 500 winners in a season. He saddled his last runners in the middle of last week, and he had already prepared 266 winners in the first six months of the year, so he was well on course.
His domination is so great that his tally of metropolitan winners this season stands at 93 - 60 more than his nearest pursuer. And it looks inevitable that he will still win this year's title without having a runner for more than half a season. For all of that success, and despite the public bonhomie, friends claim Weir is a shy and diffident figure, happier dealing with horses and animals than people.

Dr Prabhash Goel, horse owner and CEO of Ananda Aged Care, declared his disappointment at the turn of events.
''I am absolutely shocked. He is a simple country man. He doesn't watch a race mingling with the committee. He watches like a normal person in the mounting yard. I like watching the races with him. He has got no flair. He is a very simple man."
Lachlan McKenzie, the Ballarat Turf Club CEO, said Weir's fall had to be seen in context as his role in building the racing industry in the region was significant.
"No one condones breaking of the rules but it's important that it not be seen in isolation from the benefit he has brought to racing in Ballarat and the help he has given to pre-trainers, stable staff and ... a number of people who work for him who would otherwise not find employment."
Weir's recreations outside work were few, save for a keen interest in the Carlton Football Club.

A committed player himself in the Wimmera as a young man, the pressures of work meant he could rarely watch the Blues live, but he was always keen to follow their progress.
Weir was acutely conscious of his role within the racing family. VRC chair Amanda Elliott says he rarely ever refused a request from Racing Victoria or the various raceclubs to come up to the city to appear at a promotional lunch or event.

Still, he had been on the stewards’ radar ever since he had begun his march to the top. Weir had plenty of form with stewards stretching right back to 2001, when he barely had any city runners, never mind winners.

Indiscretions ranged from giving false evidence in an inquiry, possession of apparatus which could have been used for stomach tubing, stomach tubing itself, breaching racing's bicarb rules and providing false information to stewards, amongst other things. Stomach tubing involves administering a tube through a horse's nose and into the stomach, to introduce liquid that mops up lactic acid and delays fatigue. In a sport like racing, where vast sums can be won and lost in a matter of minutes through betting and a colt can increase his value by millions for winning a big race, rumours, scuttlebutt and innuendo always abound.

And Weir's meteoric rise through the ranks had certainly attracted attention. He was the outrider, the man who had reached the pinnacle of his profession from humble beginnings: and by any standards his success was startling.

From the tiny town of Berriwillock, Weir had no bluechip, cased-up backers. There were no horses owned by the likes of Coolmore or Godolphin for him, no mega-rich businessmen from Collins Street or Pitt Street beating a path to his door. At least not initially. He prided himself on the loyalty of his staff and his loyalty and commitment to old friends and those who supported him when he had nothing. This week, even as the walls closed in around him, he found time to visit an employee who had been rushed to hospital in the days after the raid and spend time at his bedside – an act friends have said was far from unusual.

But his staggering success quickly made him a ‘'person of interest''. And for all his talents, it does now seem something more sinister was also at play. The ongoing police investigation means this race is likely far from the finish line.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-09, 11:54 AM
I'm not sure that Racenet deserve to be promoted in any way Jeunes.

They turn off comments on so many subjects and yet put themselves out there as the punter's best pal.

How can racing authorities gauge the depth of feeling about issues when opinion is stifled and shut down......punters are participants too.

Racenet lost me forever when they turned off comments on the High Bridge race.
They opened up comments weeks later after the NSW stewards found nothing untoward in their "deep probe"  :lol:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe they have to turn off comments because of people like you crying "corruption" every time there is a poorly judged ride?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: fours on 2019-Feb-09, 11:59 AM
Mathematics,

Stats always tell the tale - one way or another.

Big changes in strike rates and or ratings DO mean something has changed.

Not necessarily a crooked change.... but it can be.... and thus why they looked closer.

Fours
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 12:25 PM
Have you considered the possibility that maybe they have to turn off comments because of people like you crying "corruption" every time there is a poorly judged ride?

All comments are monitored & vetted, it's one of the reasons they distanced themselves from the original forum.

That's said I posted on the story where Dabernig comments on Weir were posted about not being personal - my comments weren't posted  :/
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 12:25 PM

Only relevance, sadly, is his widespread readership that will paint the wrong picture

He panders to the ignorant.  emthdown
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 01:25 PM
He panders to the ignorant.  emthdown

So do many other journalists from News and Fairfax.

The ignorance of some of them will fill a dictionary. That is why we have fake news from both sides.

Fitzsimmons has appealed to wealthy socialists (not socialites) but like many non racing journalists make assumptions of fairness not expected in real life.

Ray Hadley in his column yesterday was critical of Weir and also took umbrage of Weir's no contest to his charges.

Whne you have two media personalities / journalists from different political persuasions questioning Weir's no contest and others involved, you know there is something inherently wrong.

The Racing Industry has to stop being critical of people asking questions and start addressing them because otherwise we will end up driving people away from supporting or following the races especially when innocent people are judged on the sins of others.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 03:59 PM


The Racing Industry has to stop being critical of people asking questions and start addressing them because otherwise we will end up driving people away from supporting or following the races especially when innocent people are judged on the sins of others.

This is why I get my back up about him Jeunes, during the greyhound saga he wrote an article full of 'facts' that had already long been dispelled. He took to Twitter with his chest puffed out where I kindly pointed out he was wrong & should check his facts, I even got a bite back from that flip Pearson of the AJP for a couple of tweets. So I started asking questions, Pearson quickly scurried off as it was exposing his myths & Fitzsimmons blocked me & deleted my comments. He then had to audacity to claim most supported him. He's nothing but a fraud  emthdown

It didn't bother him that the vast majority of people were hard working, innocently going about their hobby when he set out to trash it all in the name of a story - facts? what facts  emthdown
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-09, 04:05 PM
This is why I get my back up about him Jeunes, during the greyhound saga he wrote an article full of 'facts' that had already long been dispelled. He took to Twitter with his chest puffed out where I kindly pointed out he was wrong & should check his facts, I even got a bite back from that flip Pearson of the AJP for a couple of tweets. So I started asking questions, Pearson quickly scurried off as it was exposing his myths & Fitzsimmons blocked me & deleted my comments. He then had to audacity to claim most supported him. He's nothing but a fraud  emthdown

It didn't bother him that the vast majority of people were hard working, innocently going about their hobby when he set out to trash it all in the name of a story - facts? what facts  emthdown

  emthup

He was a highly overrated Rugby player as well.

He was made to look good in the Australian schoolboys because he was lucky enough to have all those Matraville High boys like the Ella brothers, Warwick Melrose, Lloyd Walker, Eddie Jones, etc around him.

He was only in the side because they are obliged to pick at least one Joeys brat and the nepotism followed through as an adult.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 05:18 PM
He is also very eloquent and conceited at times with his opinions. However he is entitled to his opinion and in this situation, he is right in asking for clarification of involvement of others.

The funny part of the past few days including posts on this topic and coverage in the media by racing journalists is the lack of focus on other parties involved.

When Hadley, Fitzsimmons and even Andrew Webster are asking questions about racing, it is a fair indicator that something is not right. I could be wrong but I think most forumites here want the guilty punished so there is no innuendo and we can keep punting.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 05:49 PM
I can live with Hadley & Webster as I believe they are fair minded and seek the truth.

As pointed out the other bloke is just seeking a headline and angle, he doesn't care other than to look good. He can't even get the charges right in his article  :wacko:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 06:00 PM
Fitzsimmons is very opinionated in regards to NRL players and misbehaviour too. Unfortunately for league fans including me if players behaved themselves we could bring up the union crowds etc.

Union is dying due to the closed shop mentality. Most rugby journalists don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them. Racing is like that too.

Unlike Rugby who only have a few games to attract the fans ie Bledisloe Cup and the other internationals, racing has its carnivals. This attracts the party crowds and fills the coffers.

However, most non racing people find jiggers and horse cruelty abhorrent as do nearly all of the racing industry. Unfortunately we sometimes get tagged as supporting cruelty when incidents like Weir case happens.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-09, 07:44 PM
I can live with Hadley & Webster as I believe they are fair minded and seek the truth.


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 09:50 PM
Nice treble today for the Weir horses  :shy:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-10, 01:32 PM
Weir probe is heading overseas

STEPHEN DRILL

AUTHORITIES are hunting for bets made through illegal overseas bookies as part of their investigation into disgraced trainer Darren Weir.

The Sunday Mail has learned Racing Victoria sought information from Australian bookmakers about betting on horses trained by Weir.

But Racing Victoria was only provided with a small number of Australian bets relating to Weir-trained horses, unlike the details of a large number of bets during their previous investigation into the Aquanita doping scandal.

Multiple sources say Victoria Police investigators have turned their attention to whether bets on Weir-trained horses were placed with Philippines-based bookmaker Citibet.

Those bets do not have to be reported to Australian authorities, making it difficult to detect whether there have been plunges on long shots who then have miraculous wins.

A racing insider has told the Sunday Mail that authorities would be following the money in the Weir saga. “This is about more than animal cruelty. If Racing Victoria only land a charge on Weir for using a jigger then it will be a wasted opportunity,” the insider said.

ENDS

Good Luck getting any cooperation from the Phillipines.......would need the Feds to check into money transfers RV has no such authority.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Feb-10, 01:58 PM
Weir probe is heading overseas

STEPHEN DRILL

AUTHORITIES are hunting for bets made through illegal overseas bookies as part of their investigation into disgraced trainer Darren Weir.

The Sunday Mail has learned Racing Victoria sought information from Australian bookmakers about betting on horses trained by Weir.

But Racing Victoria was only provided with a small number of Australian bets relating to Weir-trained horses, unlike the details of a large number of bets during their previous investigation into the Aquanita doping scandal.

Multiple sources say Victoria Police investigators have turned their attention to whether bets on Weir-trained horses were placed with Philippines-based bookmaker Citibet.

Those bets do not have to be reported to Australian authorities, making it difficult to detect whether there have been plunges on long shots who then have miraculous wins.

A racing insider has told the Sunday Mail that authorities would be following the money in the Weir saga. “This is about more than animal cruelty. If Racing Victoria only land a charge on Weir for using a jigger then it will be a wasted opportunity,” the insider said.

ENDS



Good Luck getting any cooperation from the Phillipines.......would need the Feds to check into money transfers RV has no such authority.

Giddy Up :beer:

A beat up by hack journalists, why would DW place bets in the Phillipines when he could have a multitude of bowlers in Australia to place bets on his behalf
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: jfc on 2019-Feb-10, 05:46 PM
You've answered your own question.

Why try to control so many bowlers instead of a simple manoeuvre overseas!

It wouldn't surprise me if such bets go through commission agents who love the Citibet set up.

Certainly saves heaps on POCT.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-10, 07:38 PM
Nice treble today for the Weir horses  :shy:

Don’t forget Land of Plenty. One of the runs of the day and may have won in a couple of more strides.

Disappointed in Ringerdingding as he did not ping like spring. The winner was too good though.

It will be quite intriguing if Weir ends up winning the Melbourne trainers Championship. He has 93 winners and Hayes is next with 34. He is also a 120 ahead  for the state.

I am not sure what the rules are in regards to Weir if he wins.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-10, 09:12 PM
Don’t forget Land of Plenty. One of the runs of the day and may have won in a couple of more strides.

Disappointed in Ringerdingding as he did not ping like spring. The winner was too good though.



Don't remind me of LOP  :tears:

As for RDD, he took a couple of runs last time in to hit peak and I did have the winner marked as a good horse although he might have been flattered by being the fit horse in the right race, nice result though  :icecream:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-10, 09:16 PM
Weir probe is heading overseas

STEPHEN DRILL

AUTHORITIES are hunting for bets made through illegal overseas bookies as part of their investigation into disgraced trainer Darren Weir.

The Sunday Mail has learned Racing Victoria sought information from Australian bookmakers about betting on horses trained by Weir.

But Racing Victoria was only provided with a small number of Australian bets relating to Weir-trained horses, unlike the details of a large number of bets during their previous investigation into the Aquanita doping scandal.

Multiple sources say Victoria Police investigators have turned their attention to whether bets on Weir-trained horses were placed with Philippines-based bookmaker Citibet.

Those bets do not have to be reported to Australian authorities, making it difficult to detect whether there have been plunges on long shots who then have miraculous wins.

A racing insider has told the Sunday Mail that authorities would be following the money in the Weir saga. “This is about more than animal cruelty. If Racing Victoria only land a charge on Weir for using a jigger then it will be a wasted opportunity,” the insider said.

ENDS

Good Luck getting any cooperation from the Phillipines.......would need the Feds to check into money transfers RV has no such authority.

Giddy Up :beer:

Even if he was backing his horses, regardless of where, what's to say he's was doing anything illegal?  :what:

I followed the stable pretty closely and if there's one thing you could say is that they pretty much ran to form which is a far cry from many other stables.

I'd be surprised if they find anything here and make it stick.  :/
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Feb-10, 09:33 PM
You've answered your own question.

Why try to control so many bowlers instead of a simple manoeuvre overseas!

It wouldn't surprise me if such bets go through commission agents who love the Citibet set up.

Certainly saves heaps on POCT.
If DW had placed bets into the Phillipines, he would have to place bets on the internet or by phone, if that was the case he would have left a forensic trail, no he would not be that stupid, he would use bowlers, then again why would he have any need to bet on his horses as he was getting 10 % of prizemoney ( $300+ million over the last 10 years ) His training fees would cover all his other overheads of wages, fodder, insurance etc. I doubt that he even bothered to bet he most likely received slings from punters within his inner circle of owners and other hangerons.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: jfc on 2019-Feb-12, 02:29 PM
Lots of big global outfits depend on the Internet for secure communications that does not leave a forensic trail.

It's merely software so there's no reason big racing outfits can't also use such techniques to transact with Citibet.

Now if Weir is collecting so big a swag out of prizemoney that he doesn't need to bother to bet, a lot of his staff will not be sharing in that wealth and the informed ones from those could well have no hesitation in punting that knowledge.


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-12, 06:04 PM

Betting  profiteering? -- another dimension all together


Darren Weir routinely has his 'face of integrity' openly displayed on national broadcast media.

The overwhelming impression is of a simply-smart, plain speaking guy unlikely to have been involved in misbehaviour.

That impression should not lightly be dismissed.

Apparently the use of 'jiggers' is both commonplace and 'next to useless' -- and it is hardly likely that any discomfort to the jigged horses is of great moment.

..............so found out, DW has walked -- as did RSmerdon........... and another just left in disgust while some were technically 'clean'...... and DNikolic was given life for being disrespectful.

The whole RVL saga is a bit of a mess.

There is more to this story -- however primitive a jigger may be in the technology options now open to trainers the idea that it is 'cruel' as distinct from 'occasionally effective' is yet to be established.

Back in the 50s and 60s it was common for kids to have micro  'shocking devices' used as tricks on each other and adults -- momentarily arresting but not of major consequence.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-12, 06:18 PM


Darren Weir routinely has his 'face of integrity' openly displayed on national broadcast media.

The overwhelming impression is of a simply-smart, plain speaking guy unlikely to have been involved in misbehaviour.

That impression should not lightly be dismissed.

Well, there we have Mair defending another cheat.

Peter, what corrupt behaviour are you hiding in your past that makes you feel obligated to defend every grub in this industry  :bulb:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-12, 06:23 PM
Peter, just answer one question, I have asked before. What is the sentence Weir should have received?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-12, 07:07 PM


...... a fair hearing would be a good start............ not being on the menu, he walked
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-12, 07:10 PM


RVL opens Pandoras Box

The challenge for RVL is to now work through the Weir stable staff and jockeys engaged to find those that were 'involved' in the commission of yet to be revealed offences.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-13, 07:46 AM
Peter, maybe we should get him on Q and A so Tony Jones and an invited Greens politician could get to the bottom of it.  :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-13, 10:46 AM
RVL has been reading our posts.  :lol:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/racing-victoria-to-consider-whether-weir-eligible-to-win-trainers-premiership-20190212-p50x5j.html
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-13, 12:01 PM
Table of where the Weir horses have gone.

https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/racing/files/weir-horses

Maher/Eustace got 29 horses. Next best was Mick Price with 26 horses.

15 going to Waller. Verry Elleegant among them (hope they change the name).

Kris Lees only got 5 but he got Brave Smash, Big Duke and Red Cardinal.

None for Gai.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-19, 05:12 PM


This cannot be over?

Has RVL made a public statement on the need to run to ground others involved in the offences for which DW was charged?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-20, 06:39 AM
Peter
What are your thoughts on Darren’s record in regards to breaking the rules.?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Feb-20, 08:38 AM
All horses should be interviewed by police.
If they will not speak up, then ban them.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: arthur on 2019-Feb-20, 10:21 AM
Horses were interviewed . .

All said "Nay!"
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-20, 10:34 AM
You misheard, Arthur

They all said "Neigh"
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: fours on 2019-Feb-20, 10:40 AM
What did Mr Ed say?

Fours
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-20, 11:52 AM
Wilbur.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-20, 07:47 PM

Apparently RVL has no credibility in its concerns for overall integrity

..................disturbingly nonchalant responses ...... but predictable enough......... once someone takes the fall, the co-offenders are not pursued.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-21, 10:57 AM
Police continue Weir investigation
 
Racing.com Staff@Racing
11:07am

Victoria Police are continuing their investigations into disqualified trainer Darren Weir as former stable foreman Jarrod McLean attempts to take over Weir's Warrnambool stables.

The Herald Sun reported on Thursday that officers from Victoria Police's Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit searched a house belonging to an associate of Weir's former stable foreman Jarrod McLean on Tuesday.

The Herald Sun wrote that the house 'is occupied by a person well known in country racing circles and believed to be licensed by Racing Victoria'.

It comes after the Warrnambool Standard reported that McLean is keen to occupy stables formerly used by Weir at Warrnambool racecourse.

McLean oversaw Weir's Warrnambool complex as foreman. The complex has capacity to stable 43 horses.

McLean is yet to appear before the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board to contest four charges laid by Racing Victoria stewards following raids of Weir's stables at Ballarat and Warrnambool last month.

The charges, listed below, will be heard before the RAD Board on a date yet to be determined.

Charge 1 - AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr McLean was in the possession at a Yangery property of an electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 2 - AR 175(f) Failure to give evidence at an inquiry
The summary of the particulars being that during the course of an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019, Mr McLean refused and/or failed to give evidence in accordance with a direction and/or request of the stewards.

Charge 3 - AR175(p) Failure to comply with a direction of the stewards (Alternative to Charge 2)
The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean refused and/or failed to comply with a direction of the stewards on 31 January 2019 to answer questions in relation to an inquiry.

Charge 4 - AR175A Conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing
The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean's conduct in possessing an electric or electronic apparatus, which has been widely reported in the media, and his failure to proffer an explanation to the stewards was prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.
ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-23, 05:16 PM
Did anyone notice that the trifecta in the Parramatta Cup today were all ex Weir horses?

Paid $3,352.30!!
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-24, 08:32 AM
Some snippets from Peter Hanlon writing in The Saturday Paper

Darren Weir and integrity in racing.
Trainer Darren Weir’s fall from grace over the possession of electronic shock devices has stunned horse-racing enthusiasts both here and overseas. But could it help efforts to clean up the sport?
•   The Saturday Paper
•   23 Feb 2019
•   Peter Hanlon
 
Farmer Stephen Everett has dabbled in racehorse ownership for 20 years, managing syndicates that give regular folk cause to trek to tracks from Mildura to
Moe buzzing with the thrill of having a runner in a race. Ninety-five per cent of his horses have been trained by Australia’s leading trainer, Darren Weir.
When a January 30 raid of Weir’s Forest Lodge stables at Ballarat, by detectives from the police Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit and members of Racing Victoria’s integrity team, discovered “jiggers” – handheld devices that give electric shocks – Everett was gobsmacked. Weir’s operation, which had grown to more than 600 horses and 150 staff, was one he associated with care, not cruelty.

“I’ve only got to look at the condition of his horses,” says Everett, who lives at Swan Marsh, west of Colac. “I’ve been going up there for 20 years, and his horses are immaculately looked after. The people who take care of them, if something goes wrong it’s like a member of the family has died. If something was going on, if there was cruelty to a horse, they wouldn’t be there.”

Everett says he’ll happily put horses back in Weir’s care when the trainer’s four-year ban for possession of electric-shock devices ends. He admires not only Weir’s horsemanship, but also his commitment to giving owners – whether their investment amounts to the entire animal or a hair on its tail – the chance to win a race, be it at Flemington or a bush picnic meet. The Weir marquee at the Ballarat Cup each November, open to anyone with a stake in his horses, has been an annual reminder for Everett that racing attracts more good people than bad.


The stance brings to mind a story of a steward being questioned about the intelligence of a certain trainer. “Mate,” the steward said, “he used to be a jumps jockey. He’s spent half his life falling on his head.”

Amanda Elliott, chair of the Victoria Racing Club, has spoken of the “brand damage” the Weir story inflicts on the sport, and her surprise at discovering there are 900 registered trainers in Victoria. Leading what she termed “a troglodyte’s life” of 2am alarms and endless hours on the road can make a person edgy, to say the least. Shortcuts become appealing, whatever the risk.


Perception can damn racing unfairly. One close observer points to a disconnect in the public mind between the success stewards and regulators enjoy, and the notion that they’re part of the problem. He cites our contrasting reaction to turning on the nightly news and regularly seeing beaming police showing off their latest drugs haul. “Compare that with what has been a very, very effective sting in relation to Weir, and rather than being recognised for taking on the biggest trainer in Australia, and catching him, and resolving the thing in 10 minutes, people say, ‘Racing Victoria is in crisis.’ ”

Des Gleeson was racing’s chief steward for 12 years before his retirement in 2008. In an ideal world, he says, racing would be people paying good money to buy into horses, who prepare and compete on an equal playing field with their rivals. He notes “the chemist has always been one step ahead of the analyst”, and advocates for constant ramping up of research and development.


Strong penalties are the best deterrent, although Gleeson observes that Weir pleading no-contest to his charges meant stewards were unable to question him on what other horses he might have subjected to illegal methods. For some, all of his winners – most notably Prince Of Penzance, which at long odds claimed the
2015 Melbourne Cup with Michelle Payne aboard – will forever carry an asterisk. “The fact that he was caught with these three jiggers, it does put a question mark over a lot of his winners,” Gleeson says. “You don’t have those things for decoration.”


ENDS
We want the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-25, 09:45 PM


Is RVL 'integrity' a joke?

Is RVL just letting the whole complex Weir matter let lie -- no broader investigation as to who used the jiggers -- on which horses -- and did they win?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Mar-02, 12:16 PM
I tipped a mate a horse back in November saying it was a tragedy beaten last start, told him it was possibly the best horse in Weir's stable  :chin:  :shy: He laughed at me   :lol:

Now won 5 on end and with Phillip Stokes - Mr Quickie  :thumbsup:

 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Apr-14, 08:23 PM
Not putting the new trainers down but from memory, ex Weir runners have won 4 G1 races now.

Nature Strip (Galaxy), Mostly Elegant (Vinery, ATC Oaks) and Kenedna (Coolmore).

That is on top of his 6 winners this season prior to his suspension.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-14, 10:46 PM
I don't ever remember Manuel being with Weir?  :shy:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Apr-15, 12:12 AM
I don't ever remember Manuel being with Weir?  :shy:

Thanks G. You are right. I mixed it up with another horse. I modified my original post too.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Apr-15, 07:29 PM
Police hunt for secret phones, SIMs in raid on Darren Weir’s property
Leo Schlink and Mark Buttler, Herald Sun
April 14, 2019 9:51pm
Subscriber only
Police are investigating whether suspects in the Darren Weir racing corruption probe used a secret communications network to avoid scrutiny.

The Herald Sun can reveal a hunt for concealed phones and SIM cards was one element of a major sweep of Weir’s training complex and home near Ballarat in January.

Officers from the Sporting Integrity and Intelligence Unit used hi-tech Australian Federal Police equipment during the January 30 raid.

LEGEND OF DARREN WEIR IN TATTERS

HORSE TRAINER BANNED FOR FOUR YEARS

MESSARA: WE MUST PROVE RACING’S A KIND SPORT

It is clear investigators believe it possible suspects were using “burner” phones unknown to racing authorities.

Licensed personnel, including trainers and stablehands, must hand over their phones to Racing Victoria on request.

Victoria Police said the AFP was not involved in the Weir inquiry but its equipment allowed a faster, more thorough search.

“The search was made in an effort to locate any items of interest that could be used for evidentiary purposes, which included mobile phones and SIM cards,” a spokeswoman said.

It is not known whether any phones or SIM cards were found.

Weir was disqualified for four years by racing authorities in February after jiggers — electronic devices used to shock horses — were found in the disgraced trainer’s bedroom in January.

His stables have been sold and hundreds of horses transferred to other trainers.

Phone calls and text messages have been key elements in previous racing integrity and match-fixing investigations in recent years.

Text messages obtained from float driver Greg Nelligan’s mobile led to the disqualification of eight people in the Aquanita doping scandal.

Group 1-winning trainer Robert Smerdon, Tony Vasil, Stuart Webb and Liam Birchley are appealing against their bans.

Phone taps have also been used to uncover corruption in harness racing, leading to convictions against Larry Eastman and others.

Photos and video from hidden cameras are believed to be central to the Weir investigation.

ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-15, 08:09 PM
Thanks G. You are right. I mixed it up with another horse. I modified my original post too.

I've got a lot of them black booked to try and keep track,  I've certainly missed a few too  :shy:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-15, 08:12 PM
Police hunt for secret phones, SIMs in raid on Darren Weir’s property
Leo Schlink and Mark Buttler, Herald Sun
April 14, 2019 9:51pm
Subscriber only
Police are investigating whether suspects in the Darren Weir racing corruption probe used a secret communications network to avoid scrutiny.

The Herald Sun can reveal a hunt for concealed phones and SIM cards was one element of a major sweep of Weir’s training complex and home near Ballarat in January.

Officers from the Sporting Integrity and Intelligence Unit used hi-tech Australian Federal Police equipment during the January 30 raid.

LEGEND OF DARREN WEIR IN TATTERS

HORSE TRAINER BANNED FOR FOUR YEARS

MESSARA: WE MUST PROVE RACING’S A KIND SPORT

It is clear investigators believe it possible suspects were using “burner” phones unknown to racing authorities.

Licensed personnel, including trainers and stablehands, must hand over their phones to Racing Victoria on request.

Victoria Police said the AFP was not involved in the Weir inquiry but its equipment allowed a faster, more thorough search.

“The search was made in an effort to locate any items of interest that could be used for evidentiary purposes, which included mobile phones and SIM cards,” a spokeswoman said.

It is not known whether any phones or SIM cards were found.

Weir was disqualified for four years by racing authorities in February after jiggers — electronic devices used to shock horses — were found in the disgraced trainer’s bedroom in January.

His stables have been sold and hundreds of horses transferred to other trainers.

Phone calls and text messages have been key elements in previous racing integrity and match-fixing investigations in recent years.

Text messages obtained from float driver Greg Nelligan’s mobile led to the disqualification of eight people in the Aquanita doping scandal.

Group 1-winning trainer Robert Smerdon, Tony Vasil, Stuart Webb and Liam Birchley are appealing against their bans.

Phone taps have also been used to uncover corruption in harness racing, leading to convictions against Larry Eastman and others.

Photos and video from hidden cameras are believed to be central to the Weir investigation.

ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:

3 months on and there's either a mountain of evidence to sift through or they are scratching to put it together  :shrug:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Apr-15, 09:29 PM


Political correctness -- gone mad!

Why would a truly great trainer be brought down by those that could not train a choko vine over a back fence?

RVL seems determined to sacrifice the whole game for a misplaced concern for training methods proved -- and proved to be of no consequence for the horse!

RVL needs a royal reality commission.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Apr-15, 10:44 PM
3 months on and there's either a mountain of evidence to sift through or they are scratching to put it together  :shrug:

He did take a guilty plea. The investigation now will centre on is it corruption / fraud or possession of jiggers.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-16, 07:32 PM
He did take a guilty plea. The investigation now will centre on is it corruption / fraud or possession of jiggers.

Technically he didn't Jeunes, he refused to answer questions.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Apr-16, 09:13 PM
Technically he didn't Jeunes, he refused to answer questions.

But accepted the penalty without appeal. I consider that a guilty plea.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Apr-17, 10:22 PM


I would consider it a very sensible 'one finger' salute to RVL  -- an expectation that sanity will be restored along with the licence of a hall-of-famer!
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-18, 10:38 AM
But accepted the penalty without appeal. I consider that a guilty plea.

Hard to say Jeunes, I guess we'll find out one day down the track  :shrug:


I would consider it a very sensible 'one finger' salute to RVL  -- an expectation that sanity will be restored along with the licence of a hall-of-famer!

Even the most ardent supporter of the stable would say you are dreaming Pete   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-May-19, 09:50 PM
Does anyone know what is happening with the Weir investigation or because of the 4 year suspension, it is considered finished?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-May-19, 10:23 PM
My understanding is that the police investigation is ongoing.

As usual there will be no comment until they have completed that and decided whether or not criminal charges are warranted.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-May-19, 10:47 PM
Thanks So Big.

I was reading somewhere that his stables have nearly all been solid. So not sure if he gets the money if an investigation is ongoing etc.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-May-20, 08:49 PM
I'm sure I read where Lindsay Smith commented the other day when taking the Warrnambool base that Weir will be back.  :chin:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-May-20, 09:02 PM
He did say that Gintara but it might have been simply an observation that he thought Weir would train again in the future
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: specialweek2 on 2019-May-21, 01:02 PM
The AGE has done or will be doing a piece on beach harassment at Warrnambool . Anyone know about this story?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-May-27, 11:37 PM
Interesting article below regarding the trainers premiership in Victoria. This scenario was alluded to months ago on this topic so good to see racenet following suit.   :lol:

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/should-darren-weir-be-crowned-melbourne-s-champion-trainer-20190527
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Aug-04, 02:28 PM
Police still waiting for advice on Weir charges

POLICE are waiting for advice from the Office of Public Prosecutions six months after dramatic raids on the powerful Darren Weir racing stable.

Prosecutors are still examining a complex brief of evidence which The Sunday Mail understands runs to thousands of pages, including phone tap material, video, detailed statements as well as forensic material.

Their opinion will be a key element in what criminal charges, if any, are laid against the disgraced trainer and other figures entangled in the scandal.

Weir had the nation’s biggest stable before January’s bombshell raids by the Victoria Police sporting integrity intelligence unit.

Three jiggers – electrical devices used to shock horses – were seized by investigators.

Racing authorities have suspended Weir from training for four years.

It had been expected that it could be many months before a decision could be made on laying charges.

“Investigations of this nature are complex and given the potential the outcome has to impact on the sport, it is important we get them right,” a Victoria Police spokeswoman said.

ENDS

Possible criminal charges pending leaves a lot to the imagination .......what could they possibly be ......he was never observed using the jiggers..... none of his track riders or jockeys were ever charged .....quite possibly they may not were ever spoken to or questioned....so animal cruelty should be ruled out.....he won lots of races no postive swabs to speak of...something is missing.
 
Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-04, 05:06 PM

................... time for an inquiry........ a national inquiry into the racing industry


It was not just DW .............. other prominent trainers also just walked away.

It is not just Victoria .............. there is an amusing circus performance routinely going on in Queensland.

The 'ruthless-dictatorship' model for the administration of the business, across the states, has not met criteria of 'natural justice'.

The 'financials' as between the metropolitan, regional and country racing components in the different states would hardly stand cursory scrutiny against sound criteria for managing the levying and distribution of the 'tax-take' however it may be misrepresented as 'funding for racing'.

At the heart of any such inquiry would be an exploration of 'what happened' in Victorian racing -- and an explanation of how what is now going on could be considered sensible.



Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Aug-04, 06:00 PM
What would be the parameters of the inquiry?

Would they look at the role of the corporates, multiple runners from the same stable in a race, form reversals, big plunges, drifting favourites in conjunction with bad rides, breeding industry backhanders etc
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-04, 06:28 PM


....... all that and more ..... just savour the thought of a Ms Shock-and-Orr being let loose on racing's rorters.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Aug-04, 06:47 PM
Who will fund this inquiry as there is no Federal jurisdiction as such?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-04, 06:58 PM


The ACCC could take the lead on the basis that it is responsible to protect consumers -- who actually pay the freight -- and ASIC also has a role in outlawing products that are designed to be 'detrimental to consumers'.

Victoria will resist any national inquiry as will the bookmaker beneficiaries of the degradation of racing in that state -- all other states may well be persuaded to use a vehicle like COAG to authorize a national inquiry.

.... the thought still lingers that those betting on the races are morally compromised and undeserving.



 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Aug-04, 07:34 PM
  :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Aug-04, 07:51 PM
PM, with all seriousness when was the last time the ACC called an inquiry?

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: sobig on 2019-Oct-09, 02:25 PM
Former champion trainer Darren Weir has been charged by Victoria Police over alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences.

Weir has been under investigation by police since three electronic jiggers — devices used to electronically shock horses — were found in a bedroom of his Ballarat home in January.

Weir and two other men — fellow trainer Jarrod McLean and former Weir employee Tyson Kermond — were arrested and released without charge following the January 29 raids

The Herald Sun understands the alleged case against Weir and others will start with filing hearing at Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.

Weir was disqualified for four years by Racing Victoria in February.

Weir virtually walked away from racing as his training empire – one of the biggest of the world – crumbled.

He was banned the following week and his vast network of stables were sold off within days as a host of champion horses shifted to new trainers.

The Melbourne Cup-winning handler has been interviewed at length by police investigating allegations relating to the corruption of races and animal cruelty.

The raids were part of an investigation which had been underway since August, 2018.

Properties connected to Weir in Warrnambool were also raided.

Another jigger was allegedly found at a location used by Weir’s former assistant trainer Jarrod McLean.

McLean and Kermond were arrested and interviewed before being released without charge.

McLean is still in the process of answering charges over a jigger found at a Yangery property, near Warrnambool.

Police have since interviewed Weir and his former associations on multiple occasions.

Photographic evidence is believed to have been presented to Weir during the course of those interviews amid suggestions horses had been hit with the jiggers while exercising on treadmills.

The Herald Sun believes cameras were secretly planted in Weir’s Ballarat stables.

Images from those cameras are known to be central to the police case against Weir.

Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence unit has interviewed Weir and McLean on several occasions, following multiple lines of inquiry.

The unit is probing activity including obtaining financial advantage by deception and engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or event contingency.

Police are believed to have used recording devices such as cameras and phone taps during the investigation.

Several races from last year are under scrutiny.

The Mackinnon Stakes and Grand National Hurdle, which were won by McLean-trained Trap For Fools and Cougar Express, respectively, are also known to have drawn the attention of authorities.

The Sandown Cup, won by Weir-trained Yogi, is another race under the microscope.

Weir, 49, was today issued with nine charges including:

· Conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Possess Unregistered Category A longarm.

· Use controlled weapon without excuse.

Three other men were also charged, including a 39-year-old Yangery man, who faces 16 charges including:

· Conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· 195C Engage in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency x 2;

· 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information x 5;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act- causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

· Possess Drug of Dependence (Cocaine).

A 27-year-old Warrnambool man has been issued seven charges including:

· Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse

x 3; and

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3.

A 31-year-old Warrnambool man has been charged with one count of 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information.

All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-09, 07:24 PM

RVL tends to overplay its 'integrity' hand -- while ignoring the beams in its own eye

The wording of the charges is presumably intended to cause angst in the wider community.

Nothing on TV about DW, that we all have seen, would be consistent with DW causing harm to his horses.

I 'trusted' him to look-after DW and associates in placing his horses, without knowing which was being 'smoked' where.

I just never saw any malicious intent to harm, or benefit in ways, inconsistent with proper care of his horses.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-09, 08:27 PM
https://www.punters.com.au/news/weir-charged-by-police_184392/

Disqualified trainer Darren Weir charged with animal cruelty, conspiracy offences
By Luke Sheehan 10 hours ago

Disqualified trainer Darren Weir has been charged - along with three others - with alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences by Victoria Police.

Weir and three others are listed for a filing hearing at Melbourne's Magistrates Court on October 23.

A Victoria Police statement revealed the following charge sheet:

A 49-year-old Baringhup man has been issued nine charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Possess Unregistered Category A longarm; and

• Use controlled weapon without excuse.

A 38-year-old Yangery man has been issued 16 charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• 195C Engage in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency x 2;

• 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information x 5;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act- causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

• Possess Drug of Dependence (Cocaine).

A 27-year-old Warrnambool man has been issued seven charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3.

A 31-year-old Warrnambool man has been charged with one count of 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information.

All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October."

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Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-10, 08:31 AM

Separating sizzle and substance

No one would condone behaviour of this kind:

The charges include no fewer than three counts of "engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a thoroughbred race horse, and three counts of causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a race horse".

Restrained comparisons  are drawn with the use of 'cattle prods' presumably legally --- and anecdotally the malpractice was common historically, but now rare given the scrutiny of jockeys actions while riding.

Darren Weir is very likely one of the no-ones who would condone 'torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying'.

It would be good to hear DW address the issues -- along with the likely raft of others familiar with their use.

One problem here is that a different 'no-one' will be having much to say about 'jiggers' and the effect on a horse of using a jigger.


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-10, 04:32 PM
Until I read about the arrests in a non racing section of the media, I did not even know Weir and McLean have been charged.

What happened with the coverage from the Racing media?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-10, 06:23 PM


The independent racing media


............. is not permitted to write or say anything that could bring racing into disrepute -- or, more importantly, run a risk of compromising the flow of 'mug punter' money into the coffers of TABs and Corporate Bookmakers.

Even racing industry participants alleged to have committed criminal offences are 'disqualified' until found not-guilty.

Any prominent racing media personality, who suggested a 'racing royal commission', would be warned off for life.

The racing media establishment is 'positive' always -- a clan dependent on the grace and favour of racing administrators.

....... among other deliberate displays of dictated ignorance, is the ongoing criminal trial, in the Downing Centre G4 Court, of a non-licensed person charged with 'bowling-up' 78 bets on accounts, with corporate bookmakers, in the name of others who authorized him to do so.

The standard we walk past silently is the standard we accept.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-10, 06:25 PM
The Red Bandana man has his say in the integrity issues and police charges agin Darren Weir ......he asserts ....."But he also might be familiar to you for the fact that earlier this year, he was the one that made the news after raids on his properties by police revealed that he had "jiggers", broadly an equine equivalent of a cattle prod – and instruments of animal cruelty."

I doubt that any jigger powered by a AA or AAA battery would be equivalent to a cattle prod but like Fitz Simons I'm only guessing......as we are all aware Weir was charged with possession of jigger/s found in his bedroom .....he wasn't charged or found to have used them by RV stewards although the police charges are based on usage so they must have some evidence on which they based the charges.  .

The full piece contains an AGE video which highlights some of Darren's activities.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/weir-s-case-shows-up-racing-s-lack-of-integrity-20191009-p52z8r.html


Giddy Up :beer:
 
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-10, 07:54 PM

On TV ad nauseum for all to see -- and loved by all


No one would not have trusted this man to behave properly.

No one should have believed he did not place his horses well -- and, as he decided,  to smoke one in under the radar to the benefit of his owners.

I am not aware of any sophisticated stewards investigation of the betting activity ahead of a 'stunt' being clearly pulled.

............ if a AA battery is the extent of it ........... many of us would already have been 'shocked' with something similar as kids for fun.

Will qualified experts be called to explain the likely consequences of a 500 kg horse being 'jigged'?

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-11, 07:13 AM
It would be quite interesting to see what happens with this down the track.
Weir spending time in a jail would never been a possibility 15 months ago.

I still doubt if he will ever spend time inside as animal cruelty regardless of the extent cruelty results in imprisonment.

The conspiracy charge is the more interesting one. If he is found guilty of that, it will open up a Pandoras Box for the future.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-11, 03:52 PM
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy
4:27pm
Racing.com
Racing Victoria's integrity chief Jamie Stier said banned trainer Darren Weir is subject to possible further charges in the future following Thursday night's stewards' hearing that saw trainer Jarrod McLean and stablehands Tyson Kermond and Willie Hernan suspended indefinitely.

RV's Executive General Manager of Integrity Services said there was a possibility that Weir is further charged by RV following the hearing of nine criminal charges laid against him by Victoria Police on Wednesday.

Stier spoke to Racing.com on Friday, following a marathon stewards' hearing on Thursday.

WATCH: Hear from Stier

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-10-11/news-jamie-stier-speaks-on-suspensions

ENDS

Some interesting comments from Mr Stier in responding to questions strong indications of possible exclusion from the sport...the fit and proper person test will get an airing.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Oct-11, 05:52 PM
I’ll be interested how the likes of the RSPCA and other authorities treat Weir compared to this other grub :chin:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/02/man-19-charged-with-allegedly-killing-20-kangaroos-with-his-ute-on-nsw-south-coast
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-11, 06:56 PM


................. shaping as a 'fall from social grace' akin to Eldrick Woods

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Oct-11, 07:42 PM
Eldrick is still a hero to many. Weir, surely, will not
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-11, 07:45 PM
Infidelity v Animal cruelty. A moral conundrum and only one will result in a custodial sentence in USA or Australia.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-11, 10:02 PM
Damages option for owners
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER


CHARGED: Darren Weir.

RACEHORSE owners could chase damages if charges against Darren Weir and three other men are proven, according to prominent legal figure David Galbally, QC.

Mr Galbally said there was an option for legal action by owners whose horses had been beaten, particularly if charges were proven in court.

Weir, Jarrod McLean, Tyson Kermond and William Hernan face 33 charges stemming from to the discovery of jiggers – electronic devices capable of shocking horses – during stable raids in January.

The men are due to appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.

Mr Galbally said anyone wanting to pursue compensation would first have to try to have race results overturned in their favour through Racing Victoria.

“The answer (possibility of legal appeals) to that is yes. There is always scope for that,” he said.

“You’d need to exhaust the existing processes first.”

Races involving former Weir horses Red Cardinal, Yogi and Tosen Basil are allegedly at the centre of animal cruelty and conspiracy charges issued by Victoria Police.

Weir, 49, faces nine charges, including three counts of alleged “torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” a horse.

The disgraced former champion trainer was disqualified by Racing Victoria in February for four years after three jiggers were found in his Ballarat bedroom.

ENDS

Mr Galbally's prognostications would be write  your own ticket odds IMO.....such a case/s could be a windfall for the ambulance chasers...if they could find a litigation funder to stump up the cash to pay the nomination fee...... get  to the mounting yard and  if they managed to get  to the barrier and were able to get  to the finishing line having to complete the course on the steeplechase course without fallingat the  numerous obstacles it would be a world first......as Darrell from The Castle said Tell him he's dreaming.


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-12, 12:44 PM
Article from the Age.
Darren Weir scandal opens doors on racing's dark secret

By Chip Le Grand
October 11, 2019 — 11.30pm

It is the weekend before the Melbourne Cup and the doors to Darren Weir’s Warrnambool stables are locked tight. The day’s work is done, most of the staff have gone home and the horses are exercised, fed and resting in their stalls.
All but one.
Behind the closed doors, Weir’s Cup runner, a horse named Red Cardinal, is trotting on a treadmill under the watchful eye of Weir, his stable foreman Jarrod McLean and stablehand Tyson Kermond.

At Weir’s instructions, Kermond sticks the powerful neck of the glossy bay with a jigger, an electronic device which sends a sharp, painful shock through the horse’s body.
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The horse is frightened and distressed. If the men are concerned, they don’t show it. Again and again, Kermond applies the jigger.
Hidden within the stable, unbeknown to Weir and his associates, a police camera captures the disturbing scene. The footage, now in the hands of police investigators, prosecutors and Racing Victoria integrity officers, this week culminated in criminal charges of animal cruelty against one of the biggest names in Australian racing.
It has also exposed the dark underbelly of the sport.
Racing Victoria chief executive Giles Thompson hasn’t seen the footage but he wants people to know the entire racing industry is appalled by what is alleged.
“We in the industry understand why people outside the industry are distressed by this and disgusted by this,’’ he tells The Age. “We in the industry are also disgusted by this.”

This is clearly the view of six-time Melbourne Cup winner Lloyd Williams, who says: “I have only one word for you: disgraceful.”
Elsewhere, the message was mixed.
Racing Hall of Fame trainer David Hayes told racing and sports radio station RSN the charges were confronting but the industry needed to move on.
“Cycling has hit some huge hurdles over the years, probably bigger in some ways, and a lot of people watched the Tour de France this year, didn’t they?” he said.

After distressing vision of one of Darren Weir's prized horses being tormented with an electric prod emerged following his Tuesday arrest, the story of Darren Weir's downfall is gradually being illuminated.

He likened the Weir scandal to a speeding driver crashing his car. Do we ban cars in response, he asked rhetorically.
“There has been a lot of people that have taken short-cuts and the integrity department are gradually catching them,’’ he said. “I’m sure it is still going on but not to the levels that it was say five years ago or 10 years ago.”
Short cuts.
The short cut allegedly used by Weir, who is serving a four-year ban from the sport and McLean, a trainer in his own right, was to employ a device banned in racing to inflict pain and distress on a horse to make it to run faster.
It is a cynical, Pavlovian tactic which, in past years, was rampant in thoroughbred racing. RSPCA Victoria chief executive Liz Walker says it a cruel practice that has no place in the sport.

“RSPCA is opposed absolutely to the use of jiggers,’’ she says. “It causes fear, pain and distress and it does cause punishment. It may be that people in the industry say that is not how they are usually used but the point is, they inflict pain on animals.”
It is also a form of cheating. At its simplest, this is how this scandal is best understood. One of Australia’s most successful trainers, a man who since the turn of the century has won 3542 races and amassed $146 million in prize money for his owners, a celebrated racing figure responsible for the welfare of 600 horses at three stables scattered across country Victoria, was allegedly willing to torment a horse in his care to cheat the Melbourne Cup.
If Victoria Police are alleging Weir authorised the use of a jigger on his Cup horse and two others, why should anyone believe the practice was not widespread across his stables for many years?
“It casts a shadow over any number of races he has won," says barrister Dyson Hore-Lacy, SC, a longtime racehorse owner and breeder. "Who knows how long it's been going on for?"
Thompson understands people will now question whether Michelle Payne’s fairytale Cup ride four years ago on the Weir-trained Prince of Penzance was too good to be true. He says there is no evidence of this and that the story of Payne and what she did for women in racing stands alone from Weir.

“The charges are not related to the Melbourne Cup win of 2015,’’ he says.
“For me the 2015 Cup, what makes it so special is actually nothing to do with Darren Weir. It is about the extraordinary story we are now seeing in the media, Ride Like a Girl, about Michelle Payne and her extraordinary upbringing and achievement.”

Racing Victoria CEO Giles Thompson.

Thompson argues that, for all the damage wrought by the Weir scandal, the events of this week should give people more trust, rather than less, in the integrity of the sport.
“This is the culmination of a significant amount of work by both Racing Victoria and police,’’ he says. “What we are doing is ensuring as best we can the integrity and welfare of horses and people in our sport.

“It is not great timing but the result of us working tirelessly to ensure there is a level playing field for everyone involved in the sport.”
Victoria’s Minister for Racing Martin Pakula agrees. Talking to The Age from Tokyo this week, he says everyone from racing enthusiasts to once-a-year punters and racegoers should take comfort from the fact Racing Victoria’s head of integrity Jamie Stier invited Victoria Police to investigate one of the sport's most high-profile figures, fully aware of what the public repercussions might be.

“It’s a demonstration that our integrity department will go after wrongdoing no matter how big the name,’’ he says.
“I understand people having a degree of cynicism about racing or, indeed, any kind of sport where there is money to be made from betting. All that we can do as an industry is demonstrate we are doing everything we can to catch and weed out those who are not just denying the other participants a level playing field, but those who would damage the reputation of the industry.”

Racing Victoria, the Victorian government and the RSPCA all point to a strengthening of racing’s integrity framework and priority given to animal welfare over the past 12 months.
The most tangible reform is the establishment of the Victorian Racing Integrity Board, a peak statutory body that has operational independence from the commercial interests of the three sports it oversees: thoroughbred racing, harness racing and greyhound racing. The board is chaired by Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest.
The state government has also created a Victorian Racing Tribunal, which can draw from a panel of six current or former judicial officers. It adheres to tighter rules of evidence and should prevent the delays caused by cases bouncing between racing authorities and the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
On the day animal cruelty charges were laid against Weir, McLean and Kermond, and former jockey William Hernan was charged with placing a bet on a horse he knew had been jiggered before the race, Victoria Racing released a “Fair Racing for All” policy that enshrines equine welfare as a “fundamental value” of the sport. The RSPCA was involved in the formulation of the policy and supports its principles.
On the evidence of this week, however, racing still has much work to do.

Giles Thompson says that trainers, in private conversation with him over the past few days, strongly condemned what Weir is alleged to have done. Anthony Mithen, the stud principal at Rosemont Stud, offers a more nuanced response.
Mithen’s extended family is heavily involved in horse racing. He doesn’t condone the use of jiggers and says the allegations against Weir, if proven, are indefensible. He also says that, not that long ago, jiggers were an accepted part of horse training.
He does not believe Weir is a horse abuser. He likes Weir and sees him as a trainer who, in his quest to get some horses to perform better for their owners, failed to keep pace with changes to the industry.
“Years ago there were tactics that were acceptable to encourage a horse to do its very best, but times have changed,’’ Mithen says. “Darren was clearly stuck in another era.

“People within the industry are waiting and seeing what went on, what is the mistake he made and what his motivation was. I would argue that a lot of his motivation was for his owners and to try and win a race for them.
“I know he loves horses. I know him personally and I know he has a deep care for the animals. It would cut him to the core to have those charges laid against him.”
Today at Caulfield, the spring carnival bursts into full bloom with the running of the Guineas and another three group one races. It is the start of a month-long indulgence of racing and gambling, booze, food and fashion that will fill our TV screens and newspapers and light a million suburban barbecues.
Horses will run in blinkers and run with their tongues tied. Horses will be whipped to the finishing post. Horses will be cajoled to run faster by means which, depending on your view, are acceptable or cruel.
What has been done to get these horses to the starting line?

Behind the doors of Darren Weir’s stables, we are offered a glimpse. The video footage goes for no more than 20 seconds. Anyone who sees it is unlikely to look at racing the same way again.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-13, 10:30 AM


We need to hear from Darren Weir -- a monumental breach of faith or not?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-13, 11:27 AM

We need to hear from Darren Weir -- a monumental breach of faith or not?

So if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Oct-13, 03:01 PM
So if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

Mair is a defender of the low life’s in racing. He has form

Not sure how he can break his mindset
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-13, 05:54 PM
Mair is a defender of the low life’s in racing. He has form

Not sure how he can break his mindset

I find it amusing that there is criticism of the Racing media for lack of independence but his views of Weir seem to mirror the same attitude.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-13, 06:18 PM


So, if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

I am not sure I want to see the footage -- which is presumably 'real'.

Is it posted on the net -- if so is there a link?

If an allegation of -- observed and sustained -- 'cruelty' is proved, DW would never be permitted to return to racing in a management role and there may be 'custodial' consequences of behaviour deemed criminal.

............ as with the Tiger and the 'me-too set' among others, the breach of faith with the racing and wider community is itself an offence of magnitude.

..... that's why many would be wanting to see DW front the media and explain what he did and why.


Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-13, 07:05 PM

So, if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

I am not sure I want to see the footage -- which is presumably 'real'.

Is it posted on the net -- if so is there a link?

If an allegation of -- observed and sustained -- 'cruelty' is proved, DW would never be permitted to return to racing in a management role and there may be 'custodial' consequences of behaviour deemed criminal.

............ as with the Tiger and the 'me-too set' among others, the breach of faith with the racing and wider community is itself an offence of magnitude.

..... that's why many would be wanting to see DW front the media and explain what he did and why.

The footage would probably be released during the trial etc.

DW has not fronted the media etc to explain anything for one good very reason. There has been stories about video footage and most thought including me it was wishful thinking.

The fact he walked away with a 4 year suspension, selling of his stables, silence etc seems to add fodder that the allegations could be true.

It will be quite interesting to see what happens on October 23.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-13, 08:29 PM


Irrespective of 23 October, if DW is self-confessed guilty, by his silence, he is finished in the racing industry.

More importantly he is 'finished' full stop ...... his family may stick but that will be the extent of it.

...... he needs to speak frankly on the record without legal-protection...... or go into exile.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-13, 09:01 PM


Oh no -- not another Terrorgraph 'top cop' exclusive


Top cop to combat ‘corruption’ risk within racing

Mercifully, those not 'subscribing' have been denied access to the full story -- any 'full story' would be lamenting that other 'top cops' have not made much difference while confusing the punters that they might.

Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-13, 09:04 PM
The interesting aspect would be if owners like below still support Weir or not. The article is from August prior to the charges. That is where the Racing media have been silent.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/darren-weir-finds-strong-support-from-major-owner-20190815
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Oct-14, 07:31 PM

There has been stories about video footage and most thought including me it was wishful thinking.



I find it bizarre that at the time of the raids & in the weeks after they went public to ask if anyone has any of the 'rumoured' footage to come forward.  Yet it seems like they had it all along  :shrug:

I know the articles above cast doubt over the whole operation but by sheer scale I couldn't see that being possible, too many horses that would involve too many people.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-14, 08:19 PM

DW looks done

Support for DW, posted before the disclosure of a video showing complicity in cruelty, must be disregarded.

If he did it. he is gone for all money -- and forever.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-14, 08:49 PM
I find it bizarre that at the time of the raids & in the weeks after they went public to ask if anyone has any of the 'rumoured' footage to come forward.  Yet it seems like they had it all along  :shrug:

I know the articles above cast doubt over the whole operation but by sheer scale I couldn't see that being possible, too many horses that would involve too many people.

I think it was a fishing exercise to see what was out there and any guilty parties try a plea deal.

The intrigue is now if RVL leveraged the footage to get a deal with DW or did he just accept he was in big trouble with the jiggers in his possession.

The article from Fairfax implies RVL May have known of the cameras so was it used at all in discussions with DW? Only time will tell.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Oct-14, 10:05 PM
I wonder if we'll ever hear the truth Jeunes  :shrug:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Oct-15, 11:40 AM
I wonder if we'll ever hear the truth Jeunes  :shrug:

I think it maybe similar to the Oliver punishment.

Some of DW’s ex runners are still winning group races too.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-23, 06:12 PM
Required to appear for a commital hearing on 14 February 2020.

23 OCTOBER 2019
Horse shock, corrupt betting claims aired
 
By the time Red Cardinal lined up for last year's Melbourne Cup, the Darren Weir-trained horse had allegedly been given electric shocks as part of a protracted and covert regime.

It's just one in a series of explosive allegations levelled against 49-year-old Cup-winning trainer Weir, his former assistant and right-hand man Jarrod McLean, 38, as well as stablehands William Hernan and Tyson Kermond - both aged 31.

The four men face a combined 34 charges, ranging from corrupt betting to conspiring to deceive stewards and animal torture involving the thoroughbred, as well as Cup hopefuls Yogi and Tosen Basil.

McLean, also a trainer in his own right, allegedly placed a corrupt $100 each-way Cup Day bet on Red Cardinal, which could have reaped $5200. His knowledge of the alleged horse mistreatment meant he used "corrupt conduct information" for the bet.

One of the police charges accuse Weir and McLean of conspiring "to cheat and defraud the stewards of Racing Victoria".

Details of the allegations were released by Melbourne Magistrates Court on Wednesday, less than two weeks out from this year's Cup.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-23, 07:36 PM


The horse with the 'red hat' appears to have put one over the jigger-men -- ran last!
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Dec-01, 11:14 AM
Weir bets probed
 
LEO SCHLINK AND MARK BUTTLER
 
Darren Weir
Police study punts on outsiders

EMBATTLED trainer Darren Weir is suspected of using secret betting accounts to place bets of almost $10,000 a race before his training empire ended with the infamous jigger scandal.

Victoria Police and racing authorities analysed Weir’s betting accounts — and those held by associates — from 2001-19, and suspect the former trainer often backed longer-priced runners over his own stable favourite.

Although his average bet size through his TAB account was $845, investigators found average bets he might have made through other accounts were more than $1800.

He is suspected of placing $9200, through an account held by a close friend, on Peaceful State to beat more fancied stablemate Cliffs Edge in the Group 1 Australian Guineas.
Peaceful State, which started at $8.50, finished second.
Cliff’s Edge, a $4.60 favourite, ran seventh.

Authorities are believed to have dissected various elements surrounding 80 races.

Weir, assistant trainer Jarrod McLean and former employee Tyson Kermond face a string of animal cruelty charges after they were allegedly caught by police using jiggers.

The three are due to return to court in February to answer accusations they used the banned devices on Yogi, Red Cardinal and Tosen Basil.

McLean, who could potentially face a life ban after performance-enhancing EPO was allegedly found in his bedroom during January police raids, and Kermond are also alleged to have struck horses with lengths of plastic pipe. Weir, 49, is due to reappear in court on February 14 to answer six counts of alleged animal cruelty against racehorses.

Particulars of the charges include “engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” of a thoroughbred racehorse, and three counts of “causing unreasonable pain or suffering” to a racehorse. He is also charged with possession of an unregistered firearm and conspiracy to defraud RV stewards.

While it is not illegal for trainers to bet, authorities are concerned about the motivation for Weir’s suspected deception.

According to analysis seen by the Sunday Herald Sun, Weir tended to wait until horses were at least four runs into their preparation and were nearing peak fitness.

Investigators found Weir’s confidence levels in horses contesting their fourth race into a preparation, wearing blinkers and ridden by a “favoured jockey” were higher than normal.

They also discovered the true owners of the suspect accounts bet far less than Weir.

In one case, the account owner would bet between $1 and $5. One of Weir’s suspected wagers was for $4600 each way through the same account.

Another account user would bet between $50 and $100. At times when Weir is thought to have accessed the accounts, the bets would increase “tenfold”.

leo.schlink@news.com.au

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Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-01, 02:36 PM
Is there a bigger 'non' story than this  :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Gee, he has a bet and uses bowlers   :dry:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-01, 08:17 PM
I think it is the tip of the iceberg for Racing if police think that a trainer backing the longer priced stable runner needs investigating.

There would be a few Sydney stables under scrutiny if NSW Police did the same.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-01, 08:19 PM
I guess to the casual observer it looks like a scandal but to everyday race followers or punters it's just normal.
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-01, 08:54 PM
I guess to the casual observer it looks like a scandal but to everyday race followers or punters it's just normal.

You cynical bugger.   :lol:
Title: Darren Weir
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Feb-14, 03:25 PM
Minor Valentine's Day court win for Darren Weir
Minor Valentine's Day court win for Darren Weir

Ben Dorries

11:21AM14 February 2020

It is Valentine's Day and there was a least a little bit of love for Darren Weir as the disgraced trainer had a small win in court.

The Melbourne Cup-winning trainer and two other men – Jarrod McLean and William Hernan – faced the Melbourne Magistrates Court where they applied for a court venue change for charges they are facing.

Co-accused Tyson Kermond is currently on honeymoon in Queensland but he was also part of the Magistrates Court application which was heard at the County Court premises in Melbourne on Friday.

Weir submitted through his legal counsel Tony Hargreaves that a string of charges he is facing, including animal cruelty and conspiracy to defraud stewards, should be heard in Ballarat rather than Melbourne.

The argument was the offences, including the alleged use of shock devices to torture, abuse, terrify and overwork horses, allegedly took place in Ballarat and Warrnambool and those places were where Weir's businesses were based at the time.

Police had argued the cases should be heard in Melbourne because some of the horses that were part of the alleged conspiracy to defraud stewards ran in Melbourne.

However Hargreaves argued that even the nominations of Weir horses for races was done from Ballarat or Warrnambool - not Melbourne.

Magistrate Sarah Leighfield ruled in favour of Weir and his co-accused, saying she was not satisfied that any alleged conspiracy happened in Melbourne and that Ballarat was the appropriate place for the ongoing court cases.

Weir, dressed in a grey suit and tie, stood in court as Magistrate Leighfield ordered him to appear at a two-day committal hearing starting in Ballarat on June 23.

Weir's co-accused will next appear in Ballarat for a committal mention of the matters against them on March 5.

A court application by members of the media, including Racenet, to access video, photo and other evidence in the case against the men was refused by Magistrate Leighfield.

She said much of the material requested by the media on Friday was "not properly before the court" at this stage.


Weir was disqualified for four years by Racing Victoria last February after he offered no explanation for three electric shock devices (jiggers) being found hidden in his master bedroom.

McLean is alleged to have used poly pipes and electric shock devices on Red Cardinal and Yogi at Warrnambool during the 2018 spring racing carnival, from October 24 and Melbourne Cup day on November 6, 2018.

The barbaric practices were allegedly part of an “illicit covert training regime” designed to deceive racing stewards while giving horses an edge for betting purposes, according to court documents.

Weir, McLean and Kermond are charged with using shock devices to torture, abuse, terrify and overwork Red Cardinal, Yogi and Tosen Basil at Warrnambool on October 30, 2018.

The trio is also accused of conspiring to cheat and defraud Racing Victoria stewards between October 24 and November 17, 2018.

Corrupt bets allegedly laid by McLean during the spring racing carnival included a $100 each-way punt on Red Cardinal in the Melbourne Cup, according to the documents.

Hernan faces one charge of putting a $50 bet on Yogi during a race on November 2 in a bid to win $600, allegedly using information McLean passed to him about the illegal training regime.

The four men face a total of 34 charges.

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