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Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Feb-06, 07:20 AM Reply #150 »
I am finding it interesting that there seems a lack of conjecture as to what the coppers are gonna do....and what further crap this guy is in.
What about the money?
Will previous race results be questioned?
Will staff be questioned?
Why not lifetime ban?
Were they fixing races?
Will we ever know?
Why do we not trust our instincts, when this guy had the most shifty demeanour and his results were out of the blue and ridiculously good.?
Debate. :bye:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 07:31 AM Reply #151 »
The biggest question for me is , is there any evidence to show they were rigging races

We know he pushes the boundaries with treatments etc and it appears jiggers are a training tool. Both show he’s not as good a trainer as some thought

But that is all 2nd to, is there any evidence to show they were rigging races :chin:

Having witnessed some rides by his stable jocks and lining the other ducks up, you’d think the answer is yes  :yes:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 08:19 AM Reply #152 »
MAHER/EUSTACE TO BALLARAT?
February 5, 2019 5:54 pm


Nigel Blackiston is moving to Ballarat and an even bigger outfit will also be heading there to take over the soon to be vacated stables of Darren Weir.

Ballarat Turf Club chief executive Lachlan McKenzie would not reveal details or names when pressed about the likely new inhabitant of the Weir stable but racing’s rumor mill has the rapidly growing Maher/Eustace stable front and centre.

Asked yesterday whether he was on the move, Maher was coy saying “of course we’d look at it but we’ll just let the dust settle (on Weir) first.”

The 22 Caulfield trainers, which include Maher/Eustace, were given a five-year eviction notice late last year.

McKenzie did say that an announcement was imminent and that while it was feasible for two or more stables to jointly use the Weir stable, it was likely  – and preferable  – for a single operation to take over.

It is unclear if the new inhabitants will buy or lease the stables from Weir.

Chris Waller is also believed to be interested in establishing a large annex to his Sydney stable at Ballarat.

Maher was observed at the Ballarat for most of this morning, fueling speculation of a major uprooting from Booran Road at Caulfield to Miners Rest.

Maher/Eustace is one of Australia’s most rapidly growing stables and will soon have over 200 horses in work.

Its likely arrival will coincide not just with the opening of the refurbished course proper, at a cost of $10 million, but also the arrival of Blackiston.

Blackiston advised his owners today that he was moving from Flemington, were he has trained for almost 20 years, to a stable for 32 horses up the back of the Ballarat track, behind the grandstand.

Those stables had previously been used for pre-training by Weir but Blackiston insisted his move was unrelated to the Weir dramas of the last week.

“We’ve been in negotiations with the club for over a year,” Blackiston said. “I just thought it was time for a change and Ballarat is a terrific training centre.”

Weir employee Mick Leonard is the interim trainer of the remaining Weir horses but the conditions of his position are that the horses cannot race while for the 28 days Leonard is training them.

McKenzie said whoever found themselves at Weir’s Forest Lodge would be “in the best training yard in Australia, bar none. It’s amazing what Darren has set up there.”

BY: Matt Stewart RSN Racing Editor

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It has been reported  that the Ballarat stables are jointly owned by the racing club and Darren Weir....... consequently you would think RV would require Weir to dispose of his interest just as he has been required to divest hisself of all horses in which he has an interest Forest Lodge Racing I think is the ownership of the horses...in other words a lease of his interest wouldn't cut it.

Giddy Up :beer:


 

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« 2019-Feb-06, 09:26 AM Reply #153 »
Police inquiry continues as Weir faces four-year ban
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER


NOT CHARGED: Darren Weir fronts the board today.

PHONE taps are believed to have been used by police in the bombshell investigation into horse trainer Darren Weir.

Police are following several lines of inquiry but have not yet decided if they will charge the Melbourne Cup-winning trainer, Australia’s biggest and most successful.

Weir is expected to be disqualified for four years at a Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board hearing today over the possession of three “jiggers” – electronic apparatus, allegedly used for shocking horses in order to get them to run faster.

The phone tap revelations show the wide-ranging nature of a police inquiry which is also understood to involve video surveillance at a Weir stable.

Racing Victoria investigators had been running the jigger inquiry for 18 months before it was referred to police last August.

RV officials do not have the powers to carry out some intrusive investigative functions such as tapping phones.

Victoria Police’s sporting integrity intelligence unit, accompanied by Australian Federal Police and racing integrity operatives, executed warrants at properties near Warrnambool and Ballarat last Wednesday.

The raid uncovered the jiggers, an unlicensed firearm and a substance believed to be cocaine.

The Weir police inquiry goes well beyond the alleged use of jiggers.

Victoria Police have stated that one element of the investigation relates to “engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome”.

Another is the “use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes”.

Such matters – if police push ahead – would most likely be sent to the Office of Public Prosecutions for advice on charges.

Racing is awash with rumours of a video involving alleged maltreatment of a horse on a treadmill.

Racing integrity chief Jamie Stier said RV was not in possession of the video, but encouraged members of the public with information to contact them or police.

There is also speculation the phone taps might have intercepted conversations with licensed personnel, including jockeys.

Weir faced the RV stewards in a marathon hearing on Monday night. That inquiry is not believed to have delved into betting issues.

Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.

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Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:22 AM Reply #154 »
Jiggers located in Darren Weir’s master bedroom

Three electrical devices known as jiggers found at trainer Darren Weir’s property were located in the master bedroom, the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board has heard.

The RAD Board has retired to consider a four-year disqualification Racing Victoria stewards are seeking over Weir’s charge of possession of the illegal devices.

Racing Victoria counsel Jeff Gleeson told the hearing the devices were found in the bedroom which indicated a desire to hide them from a stewards’ inspection. He said there was no lack of knowledge coming from Weir about the devices which could infer that having them in his possession was a risk he was prepared to take.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/jiggers-located-in-darren-weirs-master-bedroom/news-story/5a828a13b02d5a0adf60799f5f04972e

How does Mr Gleeson know that the jiggers were in the bedroom because of a desire to hide them? Maybe they are in the master bedroom for another reason  :chin:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:40 AM Reply #155 »
PP

Best you keep your dirty secrets to yourself. :embarrassed:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 11:07 AM Reply #156 »
Maybe they are in the master bedroom for another reason  :chin:

I've seen stranger 'explanations' offered . . and sometimes accepted . . in courts of law

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« 2019-Feb-06, 01:59 PM Reply #157 »
Defence: "I am into S and M yer honour..its really just a tickle." :nowink:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 04:00 PM Reply #158 »
Police inquiry continues as Weir faces four-year ban
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER



Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.

ENDS



Well there's one rumour put to bed   emthup  undetectable synthetic drugs from China   :lol:

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Feb-06, 04:01 PM Reply #159 »
Gin, was it you who said this might rival “the darkest day in sport” nonsense that we had a few years back?

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« 2019-Feb-06, 04:18 PM Reply #160 »
I did Wily.

For all the hoopla and circus they have a few jiggers  :shrug: Surely there is more to 18 months investigation than that  :/

Talks of videos / drugs etc so far seem unfounded but it might be a different story with the phone taps  :shutup:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 04:26 PM Reply #161 »
Gintara,

Plenty of room for hoopla yet - taps may show big betting, or not,  around Trap For Fools copping the jigger, or not, and thus corrupting race outcomes and of course there is the matter of animal cruelty...

Fours

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« 2019-Feb-06, 04:32 PM Reply #162 »
4s. In this day and age he deserves the book thrown at him for the cruelty angle but I’m not confident  anything else will come out :what:
« Last Edit: 2019-Feb-06, 06:14 PM by wily ole dog »

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« 2019-Feb-06, 05:34 PM Reply #163 »

MR BORNSTEIN: Thank you. I accept and adopt the facts as recounted by
Judge Bowman on behalf of my colleagues and the decision to uphold the
charges. But with respect to my colleagues, I differ in respect of the
appropriate penalty in this matter.
Although the Stewards and Mr Weir have reached a common position as to
.Weir 6/2/19 P-7
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penalty, as observed by Judge Bowman, the Board is not bound to adopt that
common position. Previous analogous cases are a guide but do not also bind
the Board in the disposition of a particular case, as each case must be
determined on the facts and on the merits, and this case has features which
distinguish itself from previous cases.
In this case, I have determined that I would impose a penalty of two and a half
years' disqualification in respect of Charges 1 to 3, which I will call the
possession charges, and in addition, a penalty of two and a half years for
Charge 6, a charge of engaging in conduct prejudicial to the interests of racing,
the penalties to be served cumulatively, that is, a total of five years.
I have taken into account the submissions of Mr Gleeson for the Stewards and
Mr Weir's cooperation with an expeditious hearing of this matter. In some
senses, as Mr Gleeson has noted, the circumstances of this case are
unprecedented. Mr Weir is arguably the most successful trainer in Australia,
operates the largest training establishment in this country and has achieved
enormous prominence.
In these circumstances and in the context of very serious charges that have
been upheld, the damage to the reputation of the horseracing industry is
enormous and of great concern. I take into account that Mr Weir has pleaded
no contest to the charges and not offered any explanation for his conduct. Such
circumstances also in my opinion harm the reputation of the industry and are
relevant in particular to Charge 6.
.Weir 6/2/19 P-8
RLC
The charges as observed by Judge Bowman are of a most serious nature and
must be punished accordingly. The punishment must be just and provide a
deterrent to Mr Weir personally not to repeat such conduct again. Even more
importantly, the punishment must provide an appropriate general deterrent that
is heeded loudly and clearly throughout the industry by all licensed persons. A
penalty of five years' disqualification would also reflect this Board's strong
denunciation of Mr Weir's conduct in this case.
In reaching this conclusion, I have also taken into account Mr Weir's record.
There are no previous analogous matters which bear on this matter. I have also
taken into account the significant effect on Mr Weir of such a penalty and those
around him, including his staff.
CHAIRMAN: The end result of course, to make it quite clear, is that the
penalty imposed is four years' disqualification.


https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/2019-rv/integrity/rad/february/2019-02-06-rad-board-hearing-result-and-decision---d-weir.pdf?la=en

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Majority decision prevails 4 years as above the third member Josh Bornstein would have given him 5 years....emphasised that the  jigger charge was possession not use other cases mentioned but not considered appropriate.

Racing.com inside theRAD board hearing.

https://www.racing.com/videos/2019-02-06/inside-the-rad-board-hearing

Giddy Up :beer:

« Last Edit: 2019-Feb-06, 05:44 PM by Arsenal »

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« 2019-Feb-06, 06:07 PM Reply #164 »


Police have indicated there is nothing to support rumours that they are investigating drug-related offences linked to the Weir matters.



So the widely reported "fact" that he was found in possession of a small amount of cocaine was a media lie?

Did that influence the sentencing? There was a time when you didn't know the penalties until the decision was made and read out.

These days everything gets given to the media well in advance. We all knew it was going to be 4 years.

So will it be 4 years? Or at the end of the four year sentence will the media be jumping up and down insisting he never gets his license back al a Danny Nikolic?

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« 2019-Feb-06, 06:16 PM Reply #165 »
I took that to relate to the 'unknown' liquid that was rumoured to have been found and sent for testing  :shrug:

No mention from stewards or police but plenty of scuttlebutt relating to it  :shutup:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 08:27 PM Reply #166 »
Don't tell me dear old Poison is back defending the indefensible. Weir should have been warned off  for life. That might be the least of his problems. Got a feeling what has occurred so far is just the tip of the iceberg. Stewards had to move quickly and secure the health and welfare of the horses under his control. This show is far from over. By the way , haven't we all missed Danny ? Poison there is a couple over in Fiji in a little bit of hot water about some drug issues. Maybe they could get Dan over there as a character witness while he has a bit of time on his side.

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« 2019-Feb-06, 08:35 PM Reply #167 »
Not sure about PP defending the Fiji mob but I know Mair did :bulb:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 09:02 PM Reply #168 »

Ready, fire, aim!

Tasers used on people, cattle-prods used on cattle, whips used on horses ...... what is the big deal here.

Can we expect a wave of 'me too' exposures from stable staff?

The case for a royal commission is building.

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:07 PM Reply #169 »
Weir should have been warned off  for life.

Gun on what basis?

We can all surmise what he was up to but the evidence here is for possession.  Possession of something I can buy off E-bay for $33.50 delivered  :shrug:

Preusker in 2007 was disqualified for four years, 2 1/2 of which was for possession. So there's already precedence set.

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:24 PM Reply #170 »
Ready, fire, aim!

Tasers used on people, cattle-prods used on cattle, whips used on horses ...... what is the big deal here.

Can we expect a wave of 'me too' exposures from stable staff?

The case for a royal commission is building.

Does this mean you think Weir should not have been suspended?

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:41 PM Reply #171 »
Wily,
 I am sure PP is probably not defending the Fiji mob but equally he has the traits of some of my dear departed aunties who always saw "the best in people.". I also note your old mate (the resident crackpot , also known as Mair ) is calling for another Royal Commission into God knows what. Maybe he should join Weir on the sidelines for four years or even better stick him in a Perth cab with your other mate for an extended period and if by chance he is not crazy yet , then that should top him off nicely.
Gintara I take your point but having said that, precedents established by tribunals are no where near as binding as those precedents established in Courts of Law. Whatever anyone else got is simply not something which will bind another Board or Tribunal. I think he got lucky , but as I said before , I believe much more has to play out yet.

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:53 PM Reply #172 »
So the widely reported "fact" that he was found in possession of a small amount of cocaine was a media lie?

Did that influence the sentencing? There was a time when you didn't know the penalties until the decision was made and read out.

These days everything gets given to the media well in advance. We all knew it was going to be 4 years.

So will it be 4 years? Or at the end of the four year sentence will the media be jumping up and down insisting he never gets his license back al a Danny Nikolic?

Horse racing is one of the few industries where we have deregistered individuals being allowed to return with open arms.

The fact that some individuals making excuses for Weir that he is a good bloke or good horseman or under immense pressure etc is insulting to every untainted trainer who work their butts off and follow the rules.

I have sympathy for his workers who maybe completely innocent but are now facing an uncertain future.

PP, I agree with you regarding the sentence as it looks like a agreement between Weir and the Tribunal. However after the Oliver sentence nothing will surprise me.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 03:11 AM Reply #173 »
Horse racing is one of the few industries where we have deregistered individuals being allowed to return with open arms.

The fact that some individuals making excuses for Weir that he is a good bloke or good horseman or under immense pressure etc is insulting to every untainted trainer who work their butts off and follow the rules.

I have sympathy for his workers who maybe completely innocent but are now facing an uncertain future.

PP, I agree with you regarding the sentence as it looks like a agreement between Weir and the Tribunal. However after the Oliver sentence nothing will surprise me.

In spite of gunbower's rant I have no problem with the sentence. Like a lot of racing people I love horses and am abhorred by cruelty to the animal.

Am just asking the question that once he has done his time will people allow him to return to the racing game?

Or are people like gunbower (and the media who like to make up things like the "cocaine" found) going to emerge from the woodwork in four years time and start calling for him to be banned for life on top of his four years served.

Four years for possession of jiggers seems about right - maybe at the high end a little when you look at other sentences.

But by instructing his solicitors to plead "no contest" he has admitted to the crime and accepted his sentence.

He should be allowed to start serving it in peace without the histrionics of social media. And when that sentence is complete he should be allowed to train again with the requisite scrutiny to make sure he is sticking to the rules.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 03:28 AM Reply #174 »
PP7,

Tend to agree there is a lot more to come.

Trap For Fools ( ironic name huh? ) ratings changed dramatically and IF they knew this was very likely then betting records may well tell the story along with phone tap info for this and other instances.

Fours


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