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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Feb-07, 07:33 AM Reply #175 »
Agree with PP.


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« 2019-Feb-07, 07:34 AM Reply #176 »
Me to but there needs to be strong guidelines put in on his return

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« 2019-Feb-07, 07:40 AM Reply #177 »
But by instructing his solicitors to plead "no contest" he has admitted to the crime and accepted his sentence.

PP this is not a magnanimous gesture by Weir. He hasn't admitted to any crime. He has entered a plea of no contest to breaking the rules of racing. That is all he has done. The path Weir and his solicitors have steered is to do nothing to prejudice his chances if criminal proceedings are implemented against him by Victoria Police. The consequences of those could be far more dire than anything within the powers of the Racing Authorities. I would also suggest that if criminal proceedings were implemented and successful then the Racing Authorities would have the power to increase his penalties.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 08:11 AM Reply #178 »
One of the more vexing issues to consider is whether ANY Weir horses should be allowed to continue their career.
Seriously.
If the horse has been trained with a jigger, it is, in a way, forever corrupted.
If jigging coincided with whip use, not some other mysterious action, then are we really running a fair race when these
horses are allowed to continue racing?
What a mess!
Legal counsel please!

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« 2019-Feb-07, 08:44 AM Reply #179 »
Don't tell me dear old Poison is back defending the indefensible.

And the belief that an accused may not have he right to be represented because they are 'indefensible' is far more dangerous to our society than owning a jigger.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 09:09 AM Reply #180 »
so shogun  he stewards should ask every horse in the stable have you been hit with a jigger the answers would probably be neigh .you cant penalise all those owners by taking their horses off them.i trained for 25 years never used one in fact hated them but got a horse once who had been done up and had won 4 and was finished bit of kindness and no power he won 17 races  weir has done the crime and got his 4 years if he wants to train again  is up to him and the stewards

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« 2019-Feb-07, 09:19 AM Reply #181 »
Maher and Eustace to takeover Weir's Ballarat stable......Punters.com
By Nick Hluchaniuk about an hour ago
Ciaron Maher and David Eustace will train at BallaratImage: Getty


The training partnership of Ciaron Maher and David Eustace will takeover Darren Weir's stabling complex at Ballarat effective immediately.

Racing Victoria stewards said they had approved the application on the conditions:

- That the transfer of any horses from Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership must remain on an individual basis by application of the owners and subject to the approval of the stewards; and

- That the Maher-Eustace partnership would not be permitted to nominate any horse under the care of Weir at the time of his disqualification on Wednesday, 6 February 2019 until such time as it has been transferred to their care with the approval of steward.

Stewards have advised Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to.

The news will come as a welcome relief to Darren Weir's staff at the complex formerly known as Forest Lodge.

Maher said all staff would stay on in the interim.

"They will all stay on for a period and then we’ll work out how many horses are staying on and work out how many staff are required on that basis," Maher told RSN.

Racing Victoria Chief Executive Giles Thompson said the announcement would provide staff with greater certainty.

“We trust this morning’s announcement by the Ballarat Turf Club and Ciaron Maher Racing will be welcomed by those staff affected by Darren Weir’s disqualification and provide them with greater certainty about their immediate working future after a challenging week," Thompson said.

“This is also a positive announcement for the Ballarat community, along with those local suppliers servicing the industry, that a major high-profile training combination in Ciaron Maher and David Eustace have moved swiftly to fill the void that has been left by Mr Weir.

“This also presents a viable option for those owners of Mr Weir’s who would like their horses to remain in their current training environment at Ballarat, where they can utilise the wonderful facilities of the Ballarat Turf Club."

Maher said he was excited about the opportunity to train out of Ballarat after coming to an agreement on Tuesday with Weir and Racing Victoria.

"(I'm) really excited to be able to secure it, albeit you don’t want to see it that way, someone’s put their heart and soul into a place," Maher said.

"It's quite an odd feeling. It would have been, I can imagine, very tough for Darren, but we got through it."

The training partnership had already had a number of Weir runners transferred to them, including Group One winners Extra Brut, Land of Plenty, Voodoo Lad, Sopressa and Humidor.

Maher said he'd spoken to Weir to get an insight into every horse.

"I went through every horse individually with Darren about their traits and little quirks and he was great."

The move comes just a month after the training partnership announced they would also have a base at Warwick Farm in Sydney, with a capacity for 30 horses.

Maher also confirmed the stable had no intention of making an early move from Caulfield despite now have a large training complex at Ballarat.


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This must be the smoothest and quickest property sale ever........You would think they would need a bank loan............. how quickly would that be approved property inspections to protect the investment conveyancing and titles transfer all take time...RV appears to be satisfied despite the formalities involved...good news for the staff and also for Weir divesting hisself of the stables so quickly and possibly saving him redundancy payouts for staff if any are found to be surplus to reqiurements.

"From Justhorseracing.com
Training partnership Ciaron Maher and David Eustace are set to take over Darren Weir’s stables in Ballarat with the two purchasing the property from the disgraced trainer after he was banned for four years.
Trainer Ciaron Maher has confirmed this morning he has purchased Weir’s Ballarat stables and has been granted approval to take over training from the Forest Lodge facility from tomorrow with the intention to take on a large amount of ex Weir horses subject to the approval of the stewards.
The stewards have also advised Messers Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Mr Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to."

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"RV statement on Maher, Eustace
Racing Article Racing.com Staff@Racing   8:25am

Racing Victoria (RV) stewards advise that they have granted approval for the training partnership of Ciaron Maher and David Eustace to replace trainer Darren Weir at the Ballarat stabling complex formerly known as Forest Lodge with effect from today – Thursday, 7 February 2019.

Stewards have approved the application on the following conditions:

that the transfer of any horses from Mr Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership must remain on an individual basis by application of the owners and subject to the approval of the stewards; and
that the Maher-Eustace partnership will not be permitted to nominate any horse under the care of Mr Weir at the time of his disqualification on Wednesday, 6 February 2019 until such time as it has been transferred to their care with the approval of stewards.
In approving the application, the stewards note that there are a number of milestones in the planned transfer of the Ballarat stabling complex from Mr Weir to the Maher-Eustace partnership and that they will be monitoring the successful achievement of these.

The stewards have also advised Messrs Weir, Maher and Eustace that they will continue to closely monitor the operations of the Ballarat stabling complex to ensure that all requirements of Mr Weir’s disqualification are strictly adhered to."

Giddy Up :beer:


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« 2019-Feb-07, 09:26 AM Reply #182 »
There was a news report about the police tapping his phone. I remember a similar case but the police declined to share the recordings as it was a criminal organisation case thus the stewards wanting to penalise the jockeys etc was considered too low as a priority.

Weir’s referral to the police was instigated by the RVL so not sure if any recordings will be released to them. There is also the jockey tapes from a while ago too which resulted in Cassidy getting suspended.

Precedents there on both sides.

Below article is a view from outside the industry. No betting on if most of us agree with it but likely to ignore it as too much trouble to follow up.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/weir-ban-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers-20190206-p50w4f.html


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« 2019-Feb-07, 10:33 AM Reply #183 »
According to Peter FitzSimons the four year ban on Weir does not go far enough, however far worse for DW is his financial future..

Only the day before his arrest DW returned from New Zealand having paid millions for yearlings which he intended to syndicate, I do not think a savior like, Dato Tan Chin Nam, will come to his rescue as he did with J B Cummings when he got into bother over his purchases of yearlings all those years ago.

Weir has spent up millions in part-share with race clubs, in establishing state-of-the-art stables at Ballarat & Warrnambool,  together with his own stables outright in Maldon. I would imagine all of those would have been financed by loans based on his continuing success as a trainer. If those stables are subject to a fire sale  DW could be in a bit of trouble as his loan to equity ratio might not cover any losses.

Only the other day at the Banking Royal Commission, we all got a good idea how he will fare as a defaulter on any loans with banks. :shy:

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« 2019-Feb-07, 11:55 AM Reply #184 »
Hall of Fame trainer Lee Freedman says he has no sympathy for Darren Weir.

Freedman said the allegations against the trainer were the worst kept secret in racing and believes we haven’t heard the last of the case.

Freedman told Macquarie Sports Radio, “I think it was probably the worst kept secret in racing, everyone thought that something was going on there.”

“I don’t think we’ve heard the last of the Darren Weir case, that’s my mail,” he said.

“I can’t really have any sympathy for someone who deliberately set out to do that sort of stuff.”



Darren Weir was banned for four years by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board on Wednesday.

He opted not to fight any of the charges, which included the possession of three banned ‘jiggers’ used to shock horses into running faster.

Police raided his stables last week, reportedly finding a firearm and small amounts of cocaine at his property.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 11:57 AM Reply #185 »
Always been a straight shooter . (pardon the pun )

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« 2019-Feb-07, 12:36 PM Reply #186 »
You have to wonder about Racing.

Someone who was disqualified  for 6 months for not knowing what was going on in his own stable - a year later gets to take over the biggest stable in the land.

It's a worry.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 02:50 PM Reply #187 »
The judge Bowman  was rather kind I thought in commenting on Weir's disciplinary history...nothing significant in recent years.... I feel some sympathy for him throwing his career away  for possession which is a much lesser offence than usage ....had he been caught in the act ...who knows he may never have used them there's no evidence of usage otherwise he would have been charged with that offence ......as far as consistency in sentencing referred to in the RAD boards's decision  it was given a fleeting mention with the board  rubber stamping the stewards view as 4 years being appropriate for being in possession of 3 jiggers ....which the RD board and everyone else describe as instruments of cruelty...I've never been hit with a jigger or know of anyone that used one other than the rumours that surface ..one recent letter writer to the CM wrote a jockey at Mt Isa handed the jigger surreptitiously to the trainer after he returned to scale .....the trainer put it in his pocket and while talking to the chief steward put his hand on the jigger and got a shock... I did get a shock once by putting one finger into the light socket while replacing the bulb it wasn't painful I just felt like my finger had touched a spinning wheel for a second .......40watts maybe I can't imagine a jigger being as powerful as that.......but what surprises me is that while jiggers are rightly prohibited and described as cruel .....spurs aren't considered cruel...many years ago I remember seeing this racehorse being walked past my friend's house and its hide was scarred in dozens of places  obviously from the use of spurs the horse was named Comforter I've never forgotten him.......Weir deserved time out but 4 years was a figure plucked out of the blue and not comparable to any other penalties....probably due to his acceptance of the charges not one word spoken in his defence..the financial fallout is likely to be horrendous although Maher & Eustace say they  have already bought Weir's share of the Ballarat stable....absent any knowledge of the processes that have to be in place.
Meanwhile I received an sms from Ladbrokes to the effect that I had backed a horse which ran second to one of Weir's so they gave me a Bonus bet that's generous of them .

Giddy Up :beer: 

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« 2019-Feb-07, 03:11 PM Reply #188 »
You have to wonder about Racing.

Someone who was disqualified  for 6 months for not knowing what was going on in his own stable - a year later gets to take over the biggest stable in the land.

It's a worry.

Didn't say anything but I thought the exact same thing ianb   :lol:

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« 2019-Feb-07, 03:52 PM Reply #189 »
Hall of Fame trainer Lee Freedman says he has no sympathy for Darren Weir.

Freedman said the allegations against the trainer were the worst kept secret in racing and believes we haven’t heard the last of the case.

Freedman told Macquarie Sports Radio, “I think it was probably the worst kept secret in racing, everyone thought that something was going on there.”

“I don’t think we’ve heard the last of the Darren Weir case, that’s my mail,” he said.

“I can’t really have any sympathy for someone who deliberately set out to do that sort of stuff.”



Darren Weir was banned for four years by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board on Wednesday.

He opted not to fight any of the charges, which included the possession of three banned ‘jiggers’ used to shock horses into running faster.

Police raided his stables last week, reportedly finding a firearm and small amounts of cocaine at his property.

One can only assume that all those rumours about lee were incorrect as he’s slammed Weir :chin:

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« 2019-Feb-07, 05:37 PM Reply #190 »
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.

Let me put it this way, if I was a owner, trainer or jockey who ran 2nd to a Weir runner in a race, how would you feel now?

As Peter Fitzsimmons said in his article what about the jockeys or staff who were involved in the alleged use of the jiggers that were found in Weir’s bedroom. Before people say he never admitted to it, an innocent person never accepts a 4 year ban, sells their business, leaves themselves open to law suits and financial ruin.

So why haven’t the RVL stewards focused on the jockeys, staff etc. Why haven’t the racing writers brought this anomaly up as jiggers on horses do not work without other people’s involvement and I cannot ever recall Weir riding trackwork or riding in races?

Does the racing industry accept that cheating is the norm at times with a sacrificial lamb at times? Yes there is time for RVL stewards to investigate but sometimes it takes outsiders to ask questions which in reality should be dealt by those assigned to protect racing.

Match fixing in sports usually results in life or very lengthy bans but not in the racing industry. However in the case of Weir it has not been proven but then again why would anyone plead guilt or no contest to the charge of possession of jiggers if there was no financial gain.

The article from Fitzsimmons again below and unlike our resident Pete, I don’t believe in a RC but there should be accountability.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/weir-ban-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers-20190206-p50w4f.html

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« 2019-Feb-07, 06:33 PM Reply #191 »
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.


I hope you aren't referring to me. I'm certainly not feeling sorry for him.

I feel sorry for the innocent parties like the stablehands working in country areas for little money who will now receive nothing unless they can find work elsewhere.

I think 4 years is a fair penalty for the crime. It is a little bit more than what we usually see for the use of jiggers but as the judges noted he deserves a little more given what was expected of him as an industry leader.

At the end of 4 years he has served his time and should be allowed to return to the game without social media shrills saying he should be banned for life like happened with Danny Nikolic.

Maybe I'm old fashioned. Maybe this is the new way of society. Someone does the crime. Does the time. Then social and mainstream media decide they should do some more. A bit like how they handle political prisoners in third world countries and places like Russia and China  :bulb:

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« 2019-Feb-07, 06:41 PM Reply #192 »
Fitzsimmons knows nothing about racing and IMO we are all the better for it..... but like everyone else he is entitled to his opinion .....but as a paid media scribbler he should get the facts right before mouthing off ......Weir wasn't found "using jiggers" as he claimed .....he wasn't  charged with usage.... he was charged with possession...there's quite some difference.

Fitzsimmons has difficulty in separating the facts from fiction he should have read and understood the RAD board decision  parts of which are reproduced hereunder to set the record straight...as for Hore -Lacy QC brother of Rick .....he's in error claiming Preusker got 4 years for using a jigger ...he only got two and a half years for usage not mere possession as Weir is guilty of ....and for jeunes benefit Weir admitted his guilt and uncomplainingly accepted his punishment I think that's something  to be admired which is not to be taken as supporting his possession of the 3 jiggers.

EXTRACT RAD BOARD DECISION
"There are three things that Mr Forrest and I would emphasise at the outset: (1) this is a case of possession and not use of jiggers, the electronic apparati; (2) we are not bound by what has effectively been agreed between yourself and the Stewards as to a penalty of four years' disqualification. We can go higher or lower. We take into account what the Stewards say about penalty. (3) This is not necessarily the end of the matter. If further information comes to hand which leads to the laying of further charges, they can be heard."

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"In relation to penalty for the possession charge, we bear in mind the desirability of parity of sentencing. Cases such as this are those of Paul Preusker, Holly McKechnie and that of Nicole Boyd. Each faced multiple charges, including use of jiggers. In the case of Preusker and McKechnie, the charges involved the use of jiggers on the racetrack during training. Further, Preusker pleaded not guilty and fought the charges unsuccessfully before this Board and on appeal. On appeal, the penalties imposed by this Board were repeated and stood. The penalties imposed for possession were as follows: Preusker, disqualified for two and a half years; McKechnie, disqualified for two years; Boyd, disqualified for 18 months."

Giddy Up :beer:


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« 2019-Feb-07, 07:38 PM Reply #193 »
I am not having a go at anyone in the forum, but let us be honest about it, we all love racing here.

Possession of a jigger does not necessarily mean you have used it. However you have to be very naive to think anyone who accepts a 4 year penalty is Innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At the end of the day, we have doctors deregistered, lawyers, real estate agents etc. Nearly all of them don’t face criminal charges but are rarely allowed back to their profession without some supervision or allowed back at all. Our industry allows people to come back without scrutiny and yet we have millions gambled every day with some riding on these individuals or races involving them. That is a issue in 4 years.

Fitzsimmons is not a racing journalist and we know that. But we need to be honest and ask if others are involved as we all know how jiggers work. Do we think Weir taking the blame exonerates other parties involved and they face no penalties as Weir took the blame. I don’t and neither should people who like racing and watching the horses race.

I think Weir’s penalty is reasonable but I would have no objections for an extra year. At least he took the penalty and I do have grudging respect for it rather than drag the industry down further. However he should have been given longer if there is  evidence of any alleged fixing but it is up to RVL if they will investigate further.

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« 2019-Feb-08, 11:37 AM Reply #194 »
Impossible for me to believe that the use of jiggers in horse racing is not widespread.

This is a quote from Paul Preusker  after his appeal failed for using jiggers on his horses  in 2007......"They are very aware that this sort of thing is going on and are making an example of it.
That example is me."

 Anyone who can be bothered can watch a replay of Preusker's horse I am Someone winning down the Flemington straight.
Riding hands and heels is one thing but these sort of hand movements are very suspicious.



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« 2019-Feb-08, 01:28 PM Reply #195 »
Hard to say if 4 years is enough, considering the animal cruelty aspect.

I naively used to attribute the strong finish of Weir horses down to the uphill training track and maybe that was part of their  'advantage ' but now we will never know.

Maher taking over Weir's stable reminds me of the unintentional moment of comedy in the Royal Commission of  enquiry into banking where a banking chairman
 ( chair person sorry ) stated with a straight face   "it's almost impossible to find a CEO who hasn't been involved in some sort of breach or malpractice "

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« 2019-Feb-08, 01:58 PM Reply #196 »
According to Peter FitzSimons the four year ban on Weir does not go far enough,



What relevance does his opinion hold?

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« 2019-Feb-08, 04:32 PM Reply #197 »
The irony is in the fact we have some people falling sorry for Weir.



Jeunes I think the irony is I can buy a jigger legally on E-bay for $33.50 (delivered) for 'animal management'  :/

A blokes career is in ruins, breaking the rules as the judge described with 'abhorrent behaviour' yet the other side of the fence is accepted practice as an animal moving tool  :shrug:

It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:

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« 2019-Feb-08, 05:28 PM Reply #198 »
It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:

"An alcoholic is someone who drinks more than his doctor . .

Insert appropriate comparison, for this situation . . or any other part of life

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« 2019-Feb-08, 07:15 PM Reply #199 »
Jeunes I think the irony is I can buy a jigger legally on E-bay for $33.50 (delivered) for 'animal management'  :/

A blokes career is in ruins, breaking the rules as the judge described with 'abhorrent behaviour' yet the other side of the fence is accepted practice as an animal moving tool  :shrug:

It's a strange world we live in  :wacko:

That is a facetious argument as every sport has it's rules. Steroids can be bought legally in certain countries and doctors can prescribe them too to improve health etc but you can't use them if you are a professional athlete. A footballer is legally entitled to open a gambling account but can't bet on their code in most countries as they will be suspended or fined.

If we want to feel sorry for someone, what about the ones Weir beat. How much extra prizemoney, stud value, gambling dollars etc did Weir make at the expense of others if he used a jigger and not just be guilty of possession? We will never know for certain unless RVL stewards investigate.

One of the major deterrents to cheating is financial compensation or threat of losing it all. Weir made $31M in prizemoney last racing year. 10% of that is $3.1M not to mention training fees and stud values etc. If someone said to you, you can make millions from cheating but then cop a suspension but still keep the money what would you do. I would'nt but not everyone is like that.

This is not a witchhunt against Weir but clean up the industry by investigating and banning those involved. Open up a Pandora's box as the runner-ups may wish to sue all those involved for the extra prizemoney or stud value etc. In the Olympics, a drug test positive off a frozen sample result in the medals being re-awarded. 


 


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