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Offline Bubbasmith

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« 2019-Feb-10, 09:33 PM Reply #225 »
You've answered your own question.

Why try to control so many bowlers instead of a simple manoeuvre overseas!

It wouldn't surprise me if such bets go through commission agents who love the Citibet set up.

Certainly saves heaps on POCT.
If DW had placed bets into the Phillipines, he would have to place bets on the internet or by phone, if that was the case he would have left a forensic trail, no he would not be that stupid, he would use bowlers, then again why would he have any need to bet on his horses as he was getting 10 % of prizemoney ( $300+ million over the last 10 years ) His training fees would cover all his other overheads of wages, fodder, insurance etc. I doubt that he even bothered to bet he most likely received slings from punters within his inner circle of owners and other hangerons.
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Offline jfc

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« 2019-Feb-12, 02:29 PM Reply #226 »
Lots of big global outfits depend on the Internet for secure communications that does not leave a forensic trail.

It's merely software so there's no reason big racing outfits can't also use such techniques to transact with Citibet.

Now if Weir is collecting so big a swag out of prizemoney that he doesn't need to bother to bet, a lot of his staff will not be sharing in that wealth and the informed ones from those could well have no hesitation in punting that knowledge.



Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-12, 06:04 PM Reply #227 »

Betting  profiteering? -- another dimension all together


Darren Weir routinely has his 'face of integrity' openly displayed on national broadcast media.

The overwhelming impression is of a simply-smart, plain speaking guy unlikely to have been involved in misbehaviour.

That impression should not lightly be dismissed.

Apparently the use of 'jiggers' is both commonplace and 'next to useless' -- and it is hardly likely that any discomfort to the jigged horses is of great moment.

..............so found out, DW has walked -- as did RSmerdon........... and another just left in disgust while some were technically 'clean'...... and DNikolic was given life for being disrespectful.

The whole RVL saga is a bit of a mess.

There is more to this story -- however primitive a jigger may be in the technology options now open to trainers the idea that it is 'cruel' as distinct from 'occasionally effective' is yet to be established.

Back in the 50s and 60s it was common for kids to have micro  'shocking devices' used as tricks on each other and adults -- momentarily arresting but not of major consequence.


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« 2019-Feb-12, 06:18 PM Reply #228 »


Darren Weir routinely has his 'face of integrity' openly displayed on national broadcast media.

The overwhelming impression is of a simply-smart, plain speaking guy unlikely to have been involved in misbehaviour.

That impression should not lightly be dismissed.

Well, there we have Mair defending another cheat.

Peter, what corrupt behaviour are you hiding in your past that makes you feel obligated to defend every grub in this industry  :bulb:
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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Feb-12, 06:23 PM Reply #229 »
Peter, just answer one question, I have asked before. What is the sentence Weir should have received?

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-12, 07:07 PM Reply #230 »


...... a fair hearing would be a good start............ not being on the menu, he walked

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-12, 07:10 PM Reply #231 »


RVL opens Pandoras Box

The challenge for RVL is to now work through the Weir stable staff and jockeys engaged to find those that were 'involved' in the commission of yet to be revealed offences.


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« 2019-Feb-13, 07:46 AM Reply #232 »
Peter, maybe we should get him on Q and A so Tony Jones and an invited Greens politician could get to the bottom of it.  :lol:

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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2019-Feb-13, 12:01 PM Reply #234 »
Table of where the Weir horses have gone.

https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/racing/files/weir-horses

Maher/Eustace got 29 horses. Next best was Mick Price with 26 horses.

15 going to Waller. Verry Elleegant among them (hope they change the name).

Kris Lees only got 5 but he got Brave Smash, Big Duke and Red Cardinal.

None for Gai.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-19, 05:12 PM Reply #235 »


This cannot be over?

Has RVL made a public statement on the need to run to ground others involved in the offences for which DW was charged?

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« 2019-Feb-20, 06:39 AM Reply #236 »
Peter
What are your thoughts on Darren’s record in regards to breaking the rules.?

Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Feb-20, 08:38 AM Reply #237 »
All horses should be interviewed by police.
If they will not speak up, then ban them.

Offline arthur

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« 2019-Feb-20, 10:21 AM Reply #238 »
Horses were interviewed . .

All said "Nay!"

Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Feb-20, 10:34 AM Reply #239 »
You misheard, Arthur

They all said "Neigh"

Offline fours

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« 2019-Feb-20, 10:40 AM Reply #240 »
What did Mr Ed say?

Fours

Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Feb-20, 11:52 AM Reply #241 »
Wilbur.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-20, 07:47 PM Reply #242 »

Apparently RVL has no credibility in its concerns for overall integrity

..................disturbingly nonchalant responses ...... but predictable enough......... once someone takes the fall, the co-offenders are not pursued.

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« 2019-Feb-21, 10:57 AM Reply #243 »
Police continue Weir investigation
 
Racing.com Staff@Racing
11:07am

Victoria Police are continuing their investigations into disqualified trainer Darren Weir as former stable foreman Jarrod McLean attempts to take over Weir's Warrnambool stables.

The Herald Sun reported on Thursday that officers from Victoria Police's Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit searched a house belonging to an associate of Weir's former stable foreman Jarrod McLean on Tuesday.

The Herald Sun wrote that the house 'is occupied by a person well known in country racing circles and believed to be licensed by Racing Victoria'.

It comes after the Warrnambool Standard reported that McLean is keen to occupy stables formerly used by Weir at Warrnambool racecourse.

McLean oversaw Weir's Warrnambool complex as foreman. The complex has capacity to stable 43 horses.

McLean is yet to appear before the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board to contest four charges laid by Racing Victoria stewards following raids of Weir's stables at Ballarat and Warrnambool last month.

The charges, listed below, will be heard before the RAD Board on a date yet to be determined.

Charge 1 - AR 175(hh)(ii) Possession of an electric or electronic apparatus capable of affecting the performance of a horse

The summary of the particulars of the charge being that, on or about 30 January 2019, Mr McLean was in the possession at a Yangery property of an electric or electronic apparatus designed to deliver an electric shock.

Charge 2 - AR 175(f) Failure to give evidence at an inquiry
The summary of the particulars being that during the course of an inquiry at the RV offices on 31 January 2019, Mr McLean refused and/or failed to give evidence in accordance with a direction and/or request of the stewards.

Charge 3 - AR175(p) Failure to comply with a direction of the stewards (Alternative to Charge 2)
The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean refused and/or failed to comply with a direction of the stewards on 31 January 2019 to answer questions in relation to an inquiry.

Charge 4 - AR175A Conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing
The summary of the particulars being that Mr McLean's conduct in possessing an electric or electronic apparatus, which has been widely reported in the media, and his failure to proffer an explanation to the stewards was prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.
ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:


Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2019-Feb-23, 05:16 PM Reply #244 »
Did anyone notice that the trifecta in the Parramatta Cup today were all ex Weir horses?

Paid $3,352.30!!

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« 2019-Feb-24, 08:32 AM Reply #245 »
Some snippets from Peter Hanlon writing in The Saturday Paper

Darren Weir and integrity in racing.
Trainer Darren Weir’s fall from grace over the possession of electronic shock devices has stunned horse-racing enthusiasts both here and overseas. But could it help efforts to clean up the sport?
•   The Saturday Paper
•   23 Feb 2019
•   Peter Hanlon
 
Farmer Stephen Everett has dabbled in racehorse ownership for 20 years, managing syndicates that give regular folk cause to trek to tracks from Mildura to
Moe buzzing with the thrill of having a runner in a race. Ninety-five per cent of his horses have been trained by Australia’s leading trainer, Darren Weir.
When a January 30 raid of Weir’s Forest Lodge stables at Ballarat, by detectives from the police Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit and members of Racing Victoria’s integrity team, discovered “jiggers” – handheld devices that give electric shocks – Everett was gobsmacked. Weir’s operation, which had grown to more than 600 horses and 150 staff, was one he associated with care, not cruelty.

“I’ve only got to look at the condition of his horses,” says Everett, who lives at Swan Marsh, west of Colac. “I’ve been going up there for 20 years, and his horses are immaculately looked after. The people who take care of them, if something goes wrong it’s like a member of the family has died. If something was going on, if there was cruelty to a horse, they wouldn’t be there.”

Everett says he’ll happily put horses back in Weir’s care when the trainer’s four-year ban for possession of electric-shock devices ends. He admires not only Weir’s horsemanship, but also his commitment to giving owners – whether their investment amounts to the entire animal or a hair on its tail – the chance to win a race, be it at Flemington or a bush picnic meet. The Weir marquee at the Ballarat Cup each November, open to anyone with a stake in his horses, has been an annual reminder for Everett that racing attracts more good people than bad.


The stance brings to mind a story of a steward being questioned about the intelligence of a certain trainer. “Mate,” the steward said, “he used to be a jumps jockey. He’s spent half his life falling on his head.”

Amanda Elliott, chair of the Victoria Racing Club, has spoken of the “brand damage” the Weir story inflicts on the sport, and her surprise at discovering there are 900 registered trainers in Victoria. Leading what she termed “a troglodyte’s life” of 2am alarms and endless hours on the road can make a person edgy, to say the least. Shortcuts become appealing, whatever the risk.


Perception can damn racing unfairly. One close observer points to a disconnect in the public mind between the success stewards and regulators enjoy, and the notion that they’re part of the problem. He cites our contrasting reaction to turning on the nightly news and regularly seeing beaming police showing off their latest drugs haul. “Compare that with what has been a very, very effective sting in relation to Weir, and rather than being recognised for taking on the biggest trainer in Australia, and catching him, and resolving the thing in 10 minutes, people say, ‘Racing Victoria is in crisis.’ ”

Des Gleeson was racing’s chief steward for 12 years before his retirement in 2008. In an ideal world, he says, racing would be people paying good money to buy into horses, who prepare and compete on an equal playing field with their rivals. He notes “the chemist has always been one step ahead of the analyst”, and advocates for constant ramping up of research and development.


Strong penalties are the best deterrent, although Gleeson observes that Weir pleading no-contest to his charges meant stewards were unable to question him on what other horses he might have subjected to illegal methods. For some, all of his winners – most notably Prince Of Penzance, which at long odds claimed the
2015 Melbourne Cup with Michelle Payne aboard – will forever carry an asterisk. “The fact that he was caught with these three jiggers, it does put a question mark over a lot of his winners,” Gleeson says. “You don’t have those things for decoration.”


ENDS
We want the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Giddy Up :beer:



Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-25, 09:45 PM Reply #246 »


Is RVL 'integrity' a joke?

Is RVL just letting the whole complex Weir matter let lie -- no broader investigation as to who used the jiggers -- on which horses -- and did they win?

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« 2019-Mar-02, 12:16 PM Reply #247 »
I tipped a mate a horse back in November saying it was a tragedy beaten last start, told him it was possibly the best horse in Weir's stable  :chin:  :shy: He laughed at me   :lol:

Now won 5 on end and with Phillip Stokes - Mr Quickie  :thumbsup:

 

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« 2019-Apr-14, 08:23 PM Reply #248 »
Not putting the new trainers down but from memory, ex Weir runners have won 4 G1 races now.

Nature Strip (Galaxy), Mostly Elegant (Vinery, ATC Oaks) and Kenedna (Coolmore).

That is on top of his 6 winners this season prior to his suspension.
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Offline Gintara

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« 2019-Apr-14, 10:46 PM Reply #249 »
I don't ever remember Manuel being with Weir?  :shy:


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