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« 2019-Oct-09, 02:25 PM Reply #275 »
Former champion trainer Darren Weir has been charged by Victoria Police over alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences.

Weir has been under investigation by police since three electronic jiggers — devices used to electronically shock horses — were found in a bedroom of his Ballarat home in January.

Weir and two other men — fellow trainer Jarrod McLean and former Weir employee Tyson Kermond — were arrested and released without charge following the January 29 raids

The Herald Sun understands the alleged case against Weir and others will start with filing hearing at Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.

Weir was disqualified for four years by Racing Victoria in February.

Weir virtually walked away from racing as his training empire – one of the biggest of the world – crumbled.

He was banned the following week and his vast network of stables were sold off within days as a host of champion horses shifted to new trainers.

The Melbourne Cup-winning handler has been interviewed at length by police investigating allegations relating to the corruption of races and animal cruelty.

The raids were part of an investigation which had been underway since August, 2018.

Properties connected to Weir in Warrnambool were also raided.

Another jigger was allegedly found at a location used by Weir’s former assistant trainer Jarrod McLean.

McLean and Kermond were arrested and interviewed before being released without charge.

McLean is still in the process of answering charges over a jigger found at a Yangery property, near Warrnambool.

Police have since interviewed Weir and his former associations on multiple occasions.

Photographic evidence is believed to have been presented to Weir during the course of those interviews amid suggestions horses had been hit with the jiggers while exercising on treadmills.

The Herald Sun believes cameras were secretly planted in Weir’s Ballarat stables.

Images from those cameras are known to be central to the police case against Weir.

Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence unit has interviewed Weir and McLean on several occasions, following multiple lines of inquiry.

The unit is probing activity including obtaining financial advantage by deception and engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or event contingency.

Police are believed to have used recording devices such as cameras and phone taps during the investigation.

Several races from last year are under scrutiny.

The Mackinnon Stakes and Grand National Hurdle, which were won by McLean-trained Trap For Fools and Cougar Express, respectively, are also known to have drawn the attention of authorities.

The Sandown Cup, won by Weir-trained Yogi, is another race under the microscope.

Weir, 49, was today issued with nine charges including:

· Conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Possess Unregistered Category A longarm.

· Use controlled weapon without excuse.

Three other men were also charged, including a 39-year-old Yangery man, who faces 16 charges including:

· Conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· 195C Engage in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency x 2;

· 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information x 5;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act- causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

· Possess Drug of Dependence (Cocaine).

A 27-year-old Warrnambool man has been issued seven charges including:

· Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

· Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse

x 3; and

· Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3.

A 31-year-old Warrnambool man has been charged with one count of 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information.

All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October.

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« 2019-Oct-09, 07:24 PM Reply #276 »

RVL tends to overplay its 'integrity' hand -- while ignoring the beams in its own eye

The wording of the charges is presumably intended to cause angst in the wider community.

Nothing on TV about DW, that we all have seen, would be consistent with DW causing harm to his horses.

I 'trusted' him to look-after DW and associates in placing his horses, without knowing which was being 'smoked' where.

I just never saw any malicious intent to harm, or benefit in ways, inconsistent with proper care of his horses.


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« 2019-Oct-09, 08:27 PM Reply #277 »
https://www.punters.com.au/news/weir-charged-by-police_184392/

Disqualified trainer Darren Weir charged with animal cruelty, conspiracy offences
By Luke Sheehan 10 hours ago

Disqualified trainer Darren Weir has been charged - along with three others - with alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences by Victoria Police.

Weir and three others are listed for a filing hearing at Melbourne's Magistrates Court on October 23.

A Victoria Police statement revealed the following charge sheet:

A 49-year-old Baringhup man has been issued nine charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Possess Unregistered Category A longarm; and

• Use controlled weapon without excuse.

A 38-year-old Yangery man has been issued 16 charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• 195C Engage in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency x 2;

• 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information x 5;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3;

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act- causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

• Possess Drug of Dependence (Cocaine).

A 27-year-old Warrnambool man has been issued seven charges including:

• Conspiracy to Defraud Racing Victoria Limited Stewards;

• Section 9(1)(a) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3; and

• Section 9(1)(c) of Prevention Cruelty to Animals Act - causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a Thoroughbred Race Horse x 3.

A 31-year-old Warrnambool man has been charged with one count of 195F Use of Corrupt Conduct Information.

All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October."

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« 2019-Oct-10, 08:31 AM Reply #278 »

Separating sizzle and substance

No one would condone behaviour of this kind:

The charges include no fewer than three counts of "engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying of a thoroughbred race horse, and three counts of causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a race horse".

Restrained comparisons  are drawn with the use of 'cattle prods' presumably legally --- and anecdotally the malpractice was common historically, but now rare given the scrutiny of jockeys actions while riding.

Darren Weir is very likely one of the no-ones who would condone 'torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying'.

It would be good to hear DW address the issues -- along with the likely raft of others familiar with their use.

One problem here is that a different 'no-one' will be having much to say about 'jiggers' and the effect on a horse of using a jigger.



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« 2019-Oct-10, 04:32 PM Reply #279 »
Until I read about the arrests in a non racing section of the media, I did not even know Weir and McLean have been charged.

What happened with the coverage from the Racing media?

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« 2019-Oct-10, 06:23 PM Reply #280 »


The independent racing media


............. is not permitted to write or say anything that could bring racing into disrepute -- or, more importantly, run a risk of compromising the flow of 'mug punter' money into the coffers of TABs and Corporate Bookmakers.

Even racing industry participants alleged to have committed criminal offences are 'disqualified' until found not-guilty.

Any prominent racing media personality, who suggested a 'racing royal commission', would be warned off for life.

The racing media establishment is 'positive' always -- a clan dependent on the grace and favour of racing administrators.

....... among other deliberate displays of dictated ignorance, is the ongoing criminal trial, in the Downing Centre G4 Court, of a non-licensed person charged with 'bowling-up' 78 bets on accounts, with corporate bookmakers, in the name of others who authorized him to do so.

The standard we walk past silently is the standard we accept.

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« 2019-Oct-10, 06:25 PM Reply #281 »
The Red Bandana man has his say in the integrity issues and police charges agin Darren Weir ......he asserts ....."But he also might be familiar to you for the fact that earlier this year, he was the one that made the news after raids on his properties by police revealed that he had "jiggers", broadly an equine equivalent of a cattle prod – and instruments of animal cruelty."

I doubt that any jigger powered by a AA or AAA battery would be equivalent to a cattle prod but like Fitz Simons I'm only guessing......as we are all aware Weir was charged with possession of jigger/s found in his bedroom .....he wasn't charged or found to have used them by RV stewards although the police charges are based on usage so they must have some evidence on which they based the charges.  .

The full piece contains an AGE video which highlights some of Darren's activities.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/weir-s-case-shows-up-racing-s-lack-of-integrity-20191009-p52z8r.html


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« 2019-Oct-10, 07:54 PM Reply #282 »

On TV ad nauseum for all to see -- and loved by all


No one would not have trusted this man to behave properly.

No one should have believed he did not place his horses well -- and, as he decided,  to smoke one in under the radar to the benefit of his owners.

I am not aware of any sophisticated stewards investigation of the betting activity ahead of a 'stunt' being clearly pulled.

............ if a AA battery is the extent of it ........... many of us would already have been 'shocked' with something similar as kids for fun.

Will qualified experts be called to explain the likely consequences of a 500 kg horse being 'jigged'?


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« 2019-Oct-11, 07:13 AM Reply #283 »
It would be quite interesting to see what happens with this down the track.
Weir spending time in a jail would never been a possibility 15 months ago.

I still doubt if he will ever spend time inside as animal cruelty regardless of the extent cruelty results in imprisonment.

The conspiracy charge is the more interesting one. If he is found guilty of that, it will open up a Pandoras Box for the future.

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« 2019-Oct-11, 03:52 PM Reply #284 »
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy
4:27pm
Racing.com
Racing Victoria's integrity chief Jamie Stier said banned trainer Darren Weir is subject to possible further charges in the future following Thursday night's stewards' hearing that saw trainer Jarrod McLean and stablehands Tyson Kermond and Willie Hernan suspended indefinitely.

RV's Executive General Manager of Integrity Services said there was a possibility that Weir is further charged by RV following the hearing of nine criminal charges laid against him by Victoria Police on Wednesday.

Stier spoke to Racing.com on Friday, following a marathon stewards' hearing on Thursday.

WATCH: Hear from Stier

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-10-11/news-jamie-stier-speaks-on-suspensions

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Some interesting comments from Mr Stier in responding to questions strong indications of possible exclusion from the sport...the fit and proper person test will get an airing.

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« 2019-Oct-11, 05:52 PM Reply #285 »
I’ll be interested how the likes of the RSPCA and other authorities treat Weir compared to this other grub :chin:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/02/man-19-charged-with-allegedly-killing-20-kangaroos-with-his-ute-on-nsw-south-coast

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« 2019-Oct-11, 06:56 PM Reply #286 »


................. shaping as a 'fall from social grace' akin to Eldrick Woods


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« 2019-Oct-11, 07:42 PM Reply #287 »
Eldrick is still a hero to many. Weir, surely, will not

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« 2019-Oct-11, 07:45 PM Reply #288 »
Infidelity v Animal cruelty. A moral conundrum and only one will result in a custodial sentence in USA or Australia.

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« 2019-Oct-11, 10:02 PM Reply #289 »
Damages option for owners
LEO SCHLINK MARK BUTTLER


CHARGED: Darren Weir.

RACEHORSE owners could chase damages if charges against Darren Weir and three other men are proven, according to prominent legal figure David Galbally, QC.

Mr Galbally said there was an option for legal action by owners whose horses had been beaten, particularly if charges were proven in court.

Weir, Jarrod McLean, Tyson Kermond and William Hernan face 33 charges stemming from to the discovery of jiggers – electronic devices capable of shocking horses – during stable raids in January.

The men are due to appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.

Mr Galbally said anyone wanting to pursue compensation would first have to try to have race results overturned in their favour through Racing Victoria.

“The answer (possibility of legal appeals) to that is yes. There is always scope for that,” he said.

“You’d need to exhaust the existing processes first.”

Races involving former Weir horses Red Cardinal, Yogi and Tosen Basil are allegedly at the centre of animal cruelty and conspiracy charges issued by Victoria Police.

Weir, 49, faces nine charges, including three counts of alleged “torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” a horse.

The disgraced former champion trainer was disqualified by Racing Victoria in February for four years after three jiggers were found in his Ballarat bedroom.

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Mr Galbally's prognostications would be write  your own ticket odds IMO.....such a case/s could be a windfall for the ambulance chasers...if they could find a litigation funder to stump up the cash to pay the nomination fee...... get  to the mounting yard and  if they managed to get  to the barrier and were able to get  to the finishing line having to complete the course on the steeplechase course without fallingat the  numerous obstacles it would be a world first......as Darrell from The Castle said Tell him he's dreaming.


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« 2019-Oct-12, 12:44 PM Reply #290 »
Article from the Age.
Darren Weir scandal opens doors on racing's dark secret

By Chip Le Grand
October 11, 2019 — 11.30pm

It is the weekend before the Melbourne Cup and the doors to Darren Weir’s Warrnambool stables are locked tight. The day’s work is done, most of the staff have gone home and the horses are exercised, fed and resting in their stalls.
All but one.
Behind the closed doors, Weir’s Cup runner, a horse named Red Cardinal, is trotting on a treadmill under the watchful eye of Weir, his stable foreman Jarrod McLean and stablehand Tyson Kermond.

At Weir’s instructions, Kermond sticks the powerful neck of the glossy bay with a jigger, an electronic device which sends a sharp, painful shock through the horse’s body.
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The horse is frightened and distressed. If the men are concerned, they don’t show it. Again and again, Kermond applies the jigger.
Hidden within the stable, unbeknown to Weir and his associates, a police camera captures the disturbing scene. The footage, now in the hands of police investigators, prosecutors and Racing Victoria integrity officers, this week culminated in criminal charges of animal cruelty against one of the biggest names in Australian racing.
It has also exposed the dark underbelly of the sport.
Racing Victoria chief executive Giles Thompson hasn’t seen the footage but he wants people to know the entire racing industry is appalled by what is alleged.
“We in the industry understand why people outside the industry are distressed by this and disgusted by this,’’ he tells The Age. “We in the industry are also disgusted by this.”

This is clearly the view of six-time Melbourne Cup winner Lloyd Williams, who says: “I have only one word for you: disgraceful.”
Elsewhere, the message was mixed.
Racing Hall of Fame trainer David Hayes told racing and sports radio station RSN the charges were confronting but the industry needed to move on.
“Cycling has hit some huge hurdles over the years, probably bigger in some ways, and a lot of people watched the Tour de France this year, didn’t they?” he said.

After distressing vision of one of Darren Weir's prized horses being tormented with an electric prod emerged following his Tuesday arrest, the story of Darren Weir's downfall is gradually being illuminated.

He likened the Weir scandal to a speeding driver crashing his car. Do we ban cars in response, he asked rhetorically.
“There has been a lot of people that have taken short-cuts and the integrity department are gradually catching them,’’ he said. “I’m sure it is still going on but not to the levels that it was say five years ago or 10 years ago.”
Short cuts.
The short cut allegedly used by Weir, who is serving a four-year ban from the sport and McLean, a trainer in his own right, was to employ a device banned in racing to inflict pain and distress on a horse to make it to run faster.
It is a cynical, Pavlovian tactic which, in past years, was rampant in thoroughbred racing. RSPCA Victoria chief executive Liz Walker says it a cruel practice that has no place in the sport.

“RSPCA is opposed absolutely to the use of jiggers,’’ she says. “It causes fear, pain and distress and it does cause punishment. It may be that people in the industry say that is not how they are usually used but the point is, they inflict pain on animals.”
It is also a form of cheating. At its simplest, this is how this scandal is best understood. One of Australia’s most successful trainers, a man who since the turn of the century has won 3542 races and amassed $146 million in prize money for his owners, a celebrated racing figure responsible for the welfare of 600 horses at three stables scattered across country Victoria, was allegedly willing to torment a horse in his care to cheat the Melbourne Cup.
If Victoria Police are alleging Weir authorised the use of a jigger on his Cup horse and two others, why should anyone believe the practice was not widespread across his stables for many years?
“It casts a shadow over any number of races he has won," says barrister Dyson Hore-Lacy, SC, a longtime racehorse owner and breeder. "Who knows how long it's been going on for?"
Thompson understands people will now question whether Michelle Payne’s fairytale Cup ride four years ago on the Weir-trained Prince of Penzance was too good to be true. He says there is no evidence of this and that the story of Payne and what she did for women in racing stands alone from Weir.

“The charges are not related to the Melbourne Cup win of 2015,’’ he says.
“For me the 2015 Cup, what makes it so special is actually nothing to do with Darren Weir. It is about the extraordinary story we are now seeing in the media, Ride Like a Girl, about Michelle Payne and her extraordinary upbringing and achievement.”

Racing Victoria CEO Giles Thompson.

Thompson argues that, for all the damage wrought by the Weir scandal, the events of this week should give people more trust, rather than less, in the integrity of the sport.
“This is the culmination of a significant amount of work by both Racing Victoria and police,’’ he says. “What we are doing is ensuring as best we can the integrity and welfare of horses and people in our sport.

“It is not great timing but the result of us working tirelessly to ensure there is a level playing field for everyone involved in the sport.”
Victoria’s Minister for Racing Martin Pakula agrees. Talking to The Age from Tokyo this week, he says everyone from racing enthusiasts to once-a-year punters and racegoers should take comfort from the fact Racing Victoria’s head of integrity Jamie Stier invited Victoria Police to investigate one of the sport's most high-profile figures, fully aware of what the public repercussions might be.

“It’s a demonstration that our integrity department will go after wrongdoing no matter how big the name,’’ he says.
“I understand people having a degree of cynicism about racing or, indeed, any kind of sport where there is money to be made from betting. All that we can do as an industry is demonstrate we are doing everything we can to catch and weed out those who are not just denying the other participants a level playing field, but those who would damage the reputation of the industry.”

Racing Victoria, the Victorian government and the RSPCA all point to a strengthening of racing’s integrity framework and priority given to animal welfare over the past 12 months.
The most tangible reform is the establishment of the Victorian Racing Integrity Board, a peak statutory body that has operational independence from the commercial interests of the three sports it oversees: thoroughbred racing, harness racing and greyhound racing. The board is chaired by Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest.
The state government has also created a Victorian Racing Tribunal, which can draw from a panel of six current or former judicial officers. It adheres to tighter rules of evidence and should prevent the delays caused by cases bouncing between racing authorities and the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
On the day animal cruelty charges were laid against Weir, McLean and Kermond, and former jockey William Hernan was charged with placing a bet on a horse he knew had been jiggered before the race, Victoria Racing released a “Fair Racing for All” policy that enshrines equine welfare as a “fundamental value” of the sport. The RSPCA was involved in the formulation of the policy and supports its principles.
On the evidence of this week, however, racing still has much work to do.

Giles Thompson says that trainers, in private conversation with him over the past few days, strongly condemned what Weir is alleged to have done. Anthony Mithen, the stud principal at Rosemont Stud, offers a more nuanced response.
Mithen’s extended family is heavily involved in horse racing. He doesn’t condone the use of jiggers and says the allegations against Weir, if proven, are indefensible. He also says that, not that long ago, jiggers were an accepted part of horse training.
He does not believe Weir is a horse abuser. He likes Weir and sees him as a trainer who, in his quest to get some horses to perform better for their owners, failed to keep pace with changes to the industry.
“Years ago there were tactics that were acceptable to encourage a horse to do its very best, but times have changed,’’ Mithen says. “Darren was clearly stuck in another era.

“People within the industry are waiting and seeing what went on, what is the mistake he made and what his motivation was. I would argue that a lot of his motivation was for his owners and to try and win a race for them.
“I know he loves horses. I know him personally and I know he has a deep care for the animals. It would cut him to the core to have those charges laid against him.”
Today at Caulfield, the spring carnival bursts into full bloom with the running of the Guineas and another three group one races. It is the start of a month-long indulgence of racing and gambling, booze, food and fashion that will fill our TV screens and newspapers and light a million suburban barbecues.
Horses will run in blinkers and run with their tongues tied. Horses will be whipped to the finishing post. Horses will be cajoled to run faster by means which, depending on your view, are acceptable or cruel.
What has been done to get these horses to the starting line?

Behind the doors of Darren Weir’s stables, we are offered a glimpse. The video footage goes for no more than 20 seconds. Anyone who sees it is unlikely to look at racing the same way again.

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« 2019-Oct-13, 10:30 AM Reply #291 »


We need to hear from Darren Weir -- a monumental breach of faith or not?

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« 2019-Oct-13, 11:27 AM Reply #292 »

We need to hear from Darren Weir -- a monumental breach of faith or not?

So if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

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« 2019-Oct-13, 03:01 PM Reply #293 »
So if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

Mair is a defender of the low life’s in racing. He has form

Not sure how he can break his mindset

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« 2019-Oct-13, 05:54 PM Reply #294 »
Mair is a defender of the low life’s in racing. He has form

Not sure how he can break his mindset

I find it amusing that there is criticism of the Racing media for lack of independence but his views of Weir seem to mirror the same attitude.

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« 2019-Oct-13, 06:18 PM Reply #295 »


So, if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

I am not sure I want to see the footage -- which is presumably 'real'.

Is it posted on the net -- if so is there a link?

If an allegation of -- observed and sustained -- 'cruelty' is proved, DW would never be permitted to return to racing in a management role and there may be 'custodial' consequences of behaviour deemed criminal.

............ as with the Tiger and the 'me-too set' among others, the breach of faith with the racing and wider community is itself an offence of magnitude.

..... that's why many would be wanting to see DW front the media and explain what he did and why.



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« 2019-Oct-13, 07:05 PM Reply #296 »

So, if the alleged footage is real what do you think should happen to him?

I am not sure I want to see the footage -- which is presumably 'real'.

Is it posted on the net -- if so is there a link?

If an allegation of -- observed and sustained -- 'cruelty' is proved, DW would never be permitted to return to racing in a management role and there may be 'custodial' consequences of behaviour deemed criminal.

............ as with the Tiger and the 'me-too set' among others, the breach of faith with the racing and wider community is itself an offence of magnitude.

..... that's why many would be wanting to see DW front the media and explain what he did and why.

The footage would probably be released during the trial etc.

DW has not fronted the media etc to explain anything for one good very reason. There has been stories about video footage and most thought including me it was wishful thinking.

The fact he walked away with a 4 year suspension, selling of his stables, silence etc seems to add fodder that the allegations could be true.

It will be quite interesting to see what happens on October 23.

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« 2019-Oct-13, 08:29 PM Reply #297 »


Irrespective of 23 October, if DW is self-confessed guilty, by his silence, he is finished in the racing industry.

More importantly he is 'finished' full stop ...... his family may stick but that will be the extent of it.

...... he needs to speak frankly on the record without legal-protection...... or go into exile.

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« 2019-Oct-13, 09:01 PM Reply #298 »


Oh no -- not another Terrorgraph 'top cop' exclusive


Top cop to combat ‘corruption’ risk within racing

Mercifully, those not 'subscribing' have been denied access to the full story -- any 'full story' would be lamenting that other 'top cops' have not made much difference while confusing the punters that they might.


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« 2019-Oct-13, 09:04 PM Reply #299 »
The interesting aspect would be if owners like below still support Weir or not. The article is from August prior to the charges. That is where the Racing media have been silent.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/darren-weir-finds-strong-support-from-major-owner-20190815


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