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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-Nov-03, 07:38 AM Reply #50 »
King Of Leogrance has been scratched.

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« 2020-Nov-03, 07:42 AM Reply #51 »
King Of Leogrance scratched from Cup

The Melbourne Cup field is down to 23 after King Of Leogrance was scratched following a vet's inspection.

Racing Victoria stewards announced the inspection of the Danny O'Brien-trained galloper early on Tuesday morning, with Dr Grace Forbes looking over the horse.

Shortly after confirmed it was confirmed he was out of the race on vet's advice after presenting with lameness in the off foreleg.

The former Adelaide Cup winner was last seen in the Geelong Cup, where he finished third behind Steel Prince.

Owner Nick Williams said King Of Leogrance presented with a pulse in his foot.

"It's one of those things that happens," Williams said.

"He must have a bit of a bruise there somewhere or an abscess brewing. It would be one of the two.

"If it had of arrived yesterday we probably could have treated it and had some chance. If it arrived tomorrow it wouldn't have been a problem.

"Unfortunately it arrived today. There's nothing we can do about it."

Williams said the scratching was "terribly disappointing" and he felt for O'Brien's team.

"It's terribly disappointing when you have to pull a horse out on race morning, in particular in a race as big as the Melbourne Cup," he said.

"I feel terribly disappointed for Danny (O'Brien and his team), who have looked after this horse since he has been down there. They put their heart and soul into it.

"They would have gone to bed last night thinking they were taking a horse to the Melbourne Cup and to get there this morning and find him with a pulse in his foot would be terribly disappointing for them more than anyone."

Nick and Lloyd Williams still own two more runners in this year's Melbourne Cup with Twilight Payment ($23) and Master Of Reality ($19) contenders.


https://www.racing.com/news/2020-11-03/news-cup-king-scratched-from-melbourne-cup-sb#/

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« 2020-Nov-03, 08:00 AM Reply #52 »
I thought Ashrun was spectacular on Saturday off a slow pace with a big weight. Barrier has dented my confidence.

I have seen plenty worse 60/1 chances than Avilius, thought he was very good in the Caulfield Cup.
It's funny how different punters can read things.
Avilius, while obviously a very good horse, just looks to me to really feel the very firm tracks now.......been a long time since he has really let down on one.

Today's track will be the major factor for mine......let's hope all the horses and riders get around safely.

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« 2020-Nov-03, 09:08 AM Reply #53 »
No love for warning?

Loves the track and is flying

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« 2020-Nov-03, 09:36 AM Reply #54 »
Ok my big winners are - 23 - 9 - 10 - 18 chopping on 1/21

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« 2020-Nov-03, 10:59 AM Reply #55 »
No love for warning?

Loves the track and is flying

He's like trying to catch a blue moon, impossible  :shutup:

I've stuck solid with Verry Elleegant. I see no reason to get off, she'll run the trip on her ear and be there when it counts.

It's ridiculously even after that, you could make a case for over 1/2 the field  :shrug:

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« 2020-Nov-03, 11:09 AM Reply #56 »
Yes Gin. It’s the first time I haven’t been able to put a pen trough a dozen of them to run first 4

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« 2020-Nov-03, 11:24 AM Reply #57 »
Hey guys is can anyone confirm the track is a good (4) and how the rail is set? Also I was going to back king leogrance each way but hes scratched I thought he was a good pick considering he had run this distance quite consistently and faired well


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« 2020-Nov-03, 11:51 AM Reply #58 »
The track rating is a good 4 now.

Craig Williams in an interview after the 3rd said the track will be a 3 for the cup.

Rail is out 2 metres from Saturday

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« 2020-Nov-03, 03:04 PM Reply #59 »
Another Cup for Lloyd a wonderful  effort to lead most of the way very game run by Tiger Moth and a flashing finish from Prince Of Arran..... I thought Persan ran out of its skin covered more ground than anything else according to Racing.com Vince Accardi and just got nosed out of 4th pity about Anthony Van Dyke breaking down haven't heard how serious hopefully he'll recover...Finche had every chance I thought some disappointments but that's racing ..till next year.
Dominic Beirne missed out again ..his computer might have seen better days.

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« 2020-Nov-03, 04:30 PM Reply #60 »
Interesting comment from Dean Yendall in the post race jockey comments ...........

Dean Yendall on Oceanex: "She went super. I rode her to run the top twelve."  :chin:

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« 2020-Nov-03, 04:33 PM Reply #61 »
Brief update on the fate of Anthony Van Dyke had to be euthanised Shame

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« 2020-Nov-03, 04:48 PM Reply #62 »
Sadly the 2020 Cup will be like the 2015 and 2018 Cups..... when you watch the replay there is the part that is coming that you don't want to see.
The Flemington track has to be called out for what it is when firm.....a brutal racing surface and has been that way since the 'major renovation'!

Watching the Epsom Derby winner go up in the air like that will be hard for Vic Racing to overcome.....a lot of eyes on the Cup around the world today.
While you have a bit of sympathy for them...... 9mm of irrigation is applied in the morning but just goes straight through to the crushed bluestone beneath.....the track was never designed with horse welfare first and foremost in mind.

It's regular viewing, sadly, watching horses struggling across the line on a good 3 at Flemington.
Hard to miss Harbour Views looking to have a problem in the following race and yet there is another OTI horse many lengths behind him :sad:

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« 2020-Nov-03, 04:55 PM Reply #63 »
Considering I have not backed a MC winner for ages, I have decided to listen to family, friends and work colleagues on why they are picking horses. Then I then selected them based on most creative ideas or stupidity. I have listed below their reasons and I will back them all in a tri or first four.

Finche (old family member)- I feed birds every day and if I win, I can buy bird seed.

Warning (HR rep) - I have given staff several warnings this month after returning from Covid19 for inappropriate clothing

Surprise Baby (young girl at work) - if it wins, husband won’t be annoyed when I get home with new clothes.

Prince of Arran (Scottish friend) - Reminds me of home.

Twilight Payment (copper friend) - busted enough of these.

Should have had the favourite in the trifecta.   :lol:

My copper once a year punter mate had $100 each way on Twilight Payment.Now he thinks he is a punter as he put $200 each way on the last on Exhilarates because of the Cummings name as it was an omen for him when he went to the Tab to collect. He is up $5k+for the day.  He is now trying to hide it from his wife.   :lol:

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« 2020-Nov-03, 05:51 PM Reply #64 »
Well Thank God the ABC are right onto it.

That organization that loves horse racing (and greyhound racing) so much has a lead item



Melbourne Cup fancy Anthony Van Dyck euthanased after breaking down mid-race

Animal rights activists say death highlights 'abusive' racing industry


The Australian Greens animal welfare spokesperson Mehreen Faruqi said Anthony Van Dyck's death was a "tragic but hardly unforeseeable outcome".

"Seven horses have now died as a result of the last eight Melbourne Cup races," Senator Faruqi said.

"Horse racing is deadly and completely inhumane. We need to shut this industry down."

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) spokeswoman Emily Rice said the horse was a victim of "the disgrace that stops the nation".

"The reality of the abusive racing industry is that horses are made to run to the detriment of their health," she said.

"Before they've even finished maturing, these 500-kilogram animals — supported on ankles as small as those of humans — are pushed past their limits, forced to race at breakneck speeds to the finishing line while being whipped."

Ms Rice called for Anthony Van Dyck's veterinary records to be released following the investigation

Kristen Leigh from the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses said the horses were viewed as objects to make a profit and were being pushed too hard.

"Victorians do know what's happening and they do care," she said.

"As much as people are going through hard times I still think they don't want to see animals abused and being killed in the name of gambling products.

"We've proven this so-called sport cannot be made kind."

The Victoria Racing Club said it would continue to work with the industry to understand the cause of the incident.

"The Club remains totally committed to the welfare of all equine athletes and the ongoing focus on their wellbeing," the VRC said on Twitter.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/melbourne-cup-horse-anthony-van-dyck-dies-after-race/12844152

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« 2020-Nov-03, 06:01 PM Reply #65 »
Just like the woman I work with who is always so excited to rush up and tell me another horse has died in the Cup, I imagine it made their day.

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« 2020-Nov-03, 07:29 PM Reply #66 »
McEvoy cops record fine for excessive whip usage.  It would have been interesting if he had won the race. I am don’t think the stewards would had the guts to reverse the results.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/horse-racing/melbourne-cup-jockey-kerrin-mcevoy-fined/636425f8-80ab-4d3a-ace3-f9410f964025

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« 2020-Nov-03, 09:42 PM Reply #67 »
Third horse was slaughtered - should have won by 3 lengths. Twice she decided to head back to the inside. Didn't want to follow a " roughie " Cost connections the race.

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« 2020-Nov-08, 10:35 AM Reply #68 »
Interesting comment from Dean Yendall in the post race jockey comments ...........

Dean Yendall on Oceanex: "She went super. I rode her to run the top twelve."  :chin:

I'm very surprised nothing appears to have come from this.

So if you decide to ride your horse more forward or back for a change you need to notify the stewards who then tell the public and if you don't you get hauled in ........ but it's OK to decide to ride your mount to try and finish at least 12th. I don't get it. Perhaps the stewards could supply us with a list before next years cup of the riders who are riding for 12th?

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« 2020-Nov-09, 05:22 PM Reply #69 »
Statement proves Yendall is a dunce ........

McEvoy gets relief from $50K fine down to $30K

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/kerrin-mcevoys-huge-melbourne-cup-whip-fine-cut-after-appeal-20201109


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« 2020-Nov-09, 07:48 PM Reply #70 »
I'm very surprised nothing appears to have come from this.

So if you decide to ride your horse more forward or back for a change you need to notify the stewards who then tell the public and if you don't you get hauled in ........ but it's OK to decide to ride your mount to try and finish at least 12th. I don't get it. Perhaps the stewards could supply us with a list before next years cup of the riders who are riding for 12th?

Strange comment by the jockey.

And yes, stewards will fine someone like Michelle Payne for being critical of them on social media but let this go through to the keeper  :nowink:

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« 2020-Nov-09, 10:24 PM Reply #71 »
Doing the form,

Perhaps it was just an honest assessment of what the horse could possibly do given the track conditions and opposition.

Fours

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« 2021-Sep-14, 04:31 PM Reply #72 »
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« 2021-Oct-27, 09:56 AM Reply #73 »
Racing against clock to fix crucial scanner

GILBERT GARDINER

MELBOURNE Cup internationals including Twilight Payment and Spanish Mission had X-rays of their limbs taken on Tuesday, as Racing Victoria aims to have its misfiring standing CT scanner fixed late on Wednesday.

The busted digital board – untimely a week out from the Cup – is understood to be a world-first malfunction of the part responsible for generating the scanner images.

A cargo flight carrying the American component is due to touch down in Melbourne on Wednesday, with technicians on standby to repair the $1.27m scanner at Werribee.

The standing scanner was introduced in 2019 to help RV and the University of Melbourne understand and further help reduce limb injuries in horses.

It is understood the scanner was fully maintained and serviced ahead of the spring racing carnival.

An RV spokesman confirmed the scanner malfunction would form part of the annual review into the entire spring carnival, including the stringent veterinary processes.

The unfortunate situation generally has triggered talks within industry groups about the need for a failsafe system.

Some are asking if current screening rules should stay in place – in the event of another malfunction – given what is at stake and the impact on connections.

As announced on Monday, the 15 Melbourne Cup fourth acceptors who had not undergone a standing CT prior to the machine breaking down will be subjected to high quality X-rays.

The X-rays must be reviewed and cleared by three international imaging specialists for horses to press on to the Cup next Tuesday.

RV mandated a stringent veterinary screening regimen after Anthony Van Dyck last year became the sixth Cup runner in seven years to sustain a catastrophic injury.

The fact the four internationals this year passed a series of scans – including the contentious scintigraphy – prior to arriving in Australia gives RV some clarity and peace of mind.

This year all Cup horses must be scanned before Thursday’s deadline.

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« 2021-Oct-28, 07:52 PM Reply #74 »

Bookies say it’s a Cup of just two

BEN DORRIES

IT SEEMS extraordinary in a 24-horse Melbourne Cup but punters have already declared the big race a two-horse war, with overseas invader Spanish Mission the only threat to raging favourite Incentivise.

With several injured contenders falling by the wayside and out of Cup contention in recent times, Incentivise is a huge losing result for bookmakers and is the $2.30 favourite with TAB fixed odds.

However Spanish Mission, trained in England by Andrew Balding, has firmed from $8 to $6 since last week and was still at that quote after fellow international Away He Goes suffered a tendon injury and was out of Melbourne Cup contention on Wednesday morning.

“We took an $8000 bet on Spanish Mission in the last week at $7, while a consistent flow of smaller bets has seen his price trim up,” a TAB spokesman said.

One TAB customer is eyeing off a potential collect of more than $41,000 on Spanish Mission after placing a $3500 multi-bet which kicked off with two greyhounds which both won earlier this week.

The punter needs Spanish Mission, who went close to knocking off European champion Stradivarius in the Lonsdale Cup (3270m) at York in August, to win the Cup to collect his multi.

In the Cup, it isn’t quite a case of write your own ticket on anything away from the two fancies but there are no other runners under double figures.

THE Melbourne Cup Call Of The Card has been cancelled for the second year running.

The big-betting function is traditionally held at the Crown Casino the day before the Cup.

MELBOURNE CUP

$2.30 Incentivise

$6 Spanish Mission

$13 Twilight Payment, Verry Elleegant

$15 Grand Promenade, Tralee Rose

$17 Floating Artist, Sir Lucan

$21 Persan

$26 Delphi

$34 Explosive Jack, Pondus

$51+ Others

Odds: TAB

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