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« 2020-Aug-02, 02:43 PM Reply #1 »
From punters.com

Perth jockey William Pike secures potential Melbourne Cup ride

Champion Perth hoop William Pike has committed to ride Schabau this spring, including in the Melbourne Cup should he gain a start.

The Robert Hickmott-trained import emerged onto the Australian scene with three straight wins at Flemington in early 2019. He went to the paddock with huge spring ambitions that year before injuring a tendon just days into his spell.

Schabau races in the colours of WA owner Geoff Evans of Distinct Racing, with former MRC chairman Mike Symons, Adelaide Crows chairman Rob Chapman, and prominent bloodstock agent Suman Hedge - who sourced the horse from Germany - also among the ownership group.

Currently a $34 shot in TAB's all-in market, it would seem Schabau still has some work to do before he is one of the 24 horses to line up at Flemington on the first Tuesday in November.

But that work, on raceday at least, will be done with Pike in tow, as revealed by WA racing journo Julio Santarelli on Thursday.

Earlier this week, it emerged Pike is planning on basing himself in Melbourne for a period of the spring.


https://www.punters.com.au/news/william-pikes-potential-melbourne-cup-ride_192273/

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« 2020-Oct-07, 09:41 PM Reply #2 »
Don't want to start a new thread if on already exists  . .

But is the M.C. still on this year??

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« 2020-Oct-08, 11:50 PM Reply #3 »
Bump for Arthur

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« 2020-Oct-09, 02:53 PM Reply #4 »
It's on but they changed it's name....they now call it "The Everest" every time you say "The Everest" you get a reward.....you know just for saying "The Everest" so every chance you get just say "The Everest"
Very "Everesting" don't you think?
P.S. that should cover my losses(if any) this week! you know...for saying "The Everest" 6 times! It works for Racenet, lets see if it works here!

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« 2020-Oct-12, 02:00 PM Reply #5 »
Now I know why there is little interest in The Cup . .

Everybody is too busy doing the form for "The Greatest Cox Plate Ever"

I don't get out much, so I only heard of this race this morning . . My word its a crackerjack field . . and what a great concept

If like me, you are a latecomer and haven't heard of TGCPE, it is a an altruistic contribution by 'Laddies' to show the 'great unwashed'  that Aussie traditions have real significance to them . .

Well done to all . .

Bet on it . .?? Of course you can . . and if you want to avail yourself of another bit Aussie culture, you can phone me and I will bet you 11 to 10 about 'heads or tails'  . . My coin, my toss; but I can personally vouch for my own integrity . .

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« 2020-Oct-12, 04:18 PM Reply #6 »
Took 300/1 on Midterm.... to return a grand only....

Fours

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« 2020-Oct-13, 09:18 PM Reply #7 »


Cup day ... not a skerrick of integrity ...... on the contrary

 ................... why anyone of an independent mindset would feed the hype for the 'cup', and 'cup day' more generally, is beyond comprehension ....... it has to be one of the worst race meetings in the world .......... for most punters ... and among the best for bookmakers.

...... the hypocrisy of RVL is routinely on open display on cup day.
 

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« 2020-Oct-13, 09:25 PM Reply #8 »

Cup day ... not a skerrick of integrity ...... on the contrary

 ................... why anyone of an independent mindset would feed the hype for the 'cup', and 'cup day' more generally, is beyond comprehension ....... it has to be one of the worst race meetings in the world .......... for most punters ... and among the best for bookmakers.

...... the hypocrisy of RVL is routinely on open display on cup day.

I routinely dismiss your garbage , BUT i must step in now . cup day is a fill up for those with any knowledge of punting
horses that should be 5 to 1 are 15's yummy

Maybe your time would be better spent saving people from poker machines ?

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« 2020-Oct-17, 07:39 PM Reply #9 »
Do place getters in the Cox plate get auto entry into the Melbourne Cup ?

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« 2020-Oct-17, 08:53 PM Reply #10 »
First place only . .

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« 2020-Oct-17, 08:54 PM Reply #11 »
Winner gets entry, 2nd and 3rd become qualified but not automatic entry

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« 2020-Oct-18, 12:36 PM Reply #12 »
Thanks

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« 2020-Oct-19, 08:54 AM Reply #13 »
Before the Geelong Cup is run....

Took the 50/1 each way about Shared Ambition.

Think it will be a lot shorter on race day...... especially after the Geelong Cup.

Typical beat the handicapper career stage the trainers like for such races.

Maybe I can do better than firezuki this year.

No one else making any calls....

Fours
shop around folks as watab has 100/1 for shared ambition but are not out of bed yet.
These are tiny insurance bets by me as my main bet as always will be a first four. All in betting means you get nothin if they dont gain a start and both of mine may miss out.
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« 2020-Oct-19, 12:03 PM Reply #14 »

What race or direction can you point me in to show Shared Ambition has the necessary class or stamina to win a Mel Cup?.....Fours.
Probably needed to keep coming on last start for mine...... he's yet to win on a Flemington Good 3 surface.
Steel Prince sat out wide the whole race and was still finishing off.......that boy has some stamina and has the same rating!

You would be better off saving your money, waiting to see the Cup field and what the conditions are on the day.


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« 2020-Oct-19, 12:16 PM Reply #15 »
nemesis,

Trainers these days do their best to sneak in a horse doing as little as possible to keep the handicap weight as low as possible. The horses are set to show what they can do on target race day and not before.

Keep in mind I am talking insurance bets rather than main chances.

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« 2020-Oct-19, 12:44 PM Reply #16 »
Waller is cutting it very fine with Shared Ambition, Fours.......57th in order.

Last start was a free pass into the Cup field, Shared Ambition was backed and look to come up well short.
Could win the Geelong Cup and get in but does he have the stamina required?

Little things you notice about horses but watch Verry Elleegant in the run on in the Caulfield Cup.......she is spacing an English Derby winner and  a Mel Cup place-getter......now that's stamina!




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« 2020-Oct-19, 12:50 PM Reply #17 »
nemisis,

I'll take Shared Ambition's soft track stats over Steel Prince's every day of the week for the Geelong Cup. Unbeaten versus yet to even place....

Fours
« Last Edit: 2020-Oct-19, 12:58 PM by fours »

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« 2020-Oct-19, 01:10 PM Reply #18 »
Fours, we are not talking about the Geelong Cup and the track rating in 3 days......weather looks pretty dry.
We are talking Mel Cup!

I'm not tipping Steel Prince to anyone in any race but I just like the horse's style......if he can scrape into the Cup field I'll have something on him!
Pulled his head off most of the race last year and was only beaten a couple of lengths
I have noticed that the Nathaniel breed do seem to handle fairly firm tracks as well.

I just wondered what you had seen in Shared Ambition that you liked :what:

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« 2020-Oct-19, 01:17 PM Reply #19 »
nemisis,

Try looking at trainer patterns rather than horse form.

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« 2020-Oct-19, 01:34 PM Reply #20 »
C Waller has a few different "patterns", Fours.

The horse still has to be good enough!

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« 2020-Oct-19, 02:08 PM Reply #21 »
nemisis,

Actually for entry into the MC he only has 1 I would say.

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« 2020-Oct-19, 03:01 PM Reply #22 »
His MC entry "pattern" doesn't seem to be working that well then, I must say Fours.

Correct me if I am wrong but C Waller's best result in the MC was in fact Who Shot Thebarman.....3rd in 2014......with well proven stamina before he arrived in Australia.

Probably of little interest to anyone but Who Shot Thebarman's 1st race start was in The Zed@ Grangewilliam Stud Maiden......a 6 1/2 length winner.....as a 5yr old.
Zed could easily give Waller and sire this year's Cup winner.......Verry Elleegant.  emthup




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« 2020-Oct-19, 03:25 PM Reply #23 »
Nemisis.

I am talking about what he can do with Shared Ambition - 1 plan left only.

Fours
ps Wu Gok and others show he has multiple plans and does not mind surprising people.....

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« 2020-Oct-19, 04:14 PM Reply #24 »
The issue with Waller MC stayers is the quality of staying horse flesh he gets.

If you look at the o/s horses he buys, it is usually a low range to mid range European stayers. Majority of the time, they clean up in the local G2 to midweek staying races.

He sometimes gets a few high quality o/s stayers but not as many as the o/s trainers bring down for the Cup.

If he had Lloyd Willians in his corner instructing him, he may had a few MC winners by now.


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