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O.P. « 2020-Feb-18, 09:06 PM »
Sheesh....what a forum..not.
As you all know, Hanseatic the Great for moi.
Barrier 1 no problemo.
Will simply push out, from wherever he is.

Race 7 - 4:10PM Neds Blue Diamond Stakes (1200 METRES)

Of $1,500,000.1st $900,000, 2nd $270,000, 3rd $135,000, 4th $67,500, 5th $37,500, 6th $30,000, 7th $30,000, 8th $30,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Set Weights, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim.
This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $10,000 for qualified horses.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 1x5 IDEAS MAN Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Damian Lane 16 56.5kg
2 1x11 HANSEATIC Anthony Freedman Luke Currie 1 56.5kg
3 72163 RATHLIN Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Ben Melham 11 56.5kg
4 15x86 TANKER Ciaron Maher & David Eustace John Allen 12 56.5kg
5 31x4 TAGALOA Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young Michael Walker 4 56.5kg
6 12 RULERSHIP Peter & Paul Snowden Mark Zahra 7 56.5kg
7 59x25 GLENFIDDICH Robbie Griffiths Glen Boss 9 56.5kg
8 4111 AWAY GAME Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Jye McNeil 10 54.5kg
9 2116 A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Ms Linda Meech 2 54.5kg
10 1x2 ARYAAF David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Luke Nolen 8 54.5kg
11 11 LETZBEGLAM Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young Brett Prebble 3 54.5kg
12 21x2 MUNTASEERA Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Damien Oliver 13 54.5kg
13 21 PERSONAL David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Craig Williams 5 54.5kg
14 14 RIVERINA STORM David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 6 54.5kg
15 44 FAYERRA Anthony Cummings Michael Dee 14 54.5kg
16 8x6 DIFFICULT John Moloney Jordan Childs 15 54.5kg

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« 2020-Feb-19, 10:02 AM Reply #1 »
This race was first run in 1971 and has been won by some very good horses.

1972 - John's Hope - the grey completed the Slipper double - the first to do so.
1975 - Lord Dudley - won a stack of stakes races and was one of the best sprinters in his time
1978 - Manikato - one of the greatest (some even argue the greatest) sprinter in Australian history
1986 - Bounding Away - amazing filly bred by TJ Smith (he named one stable Tulloch Lodge and the other Bounding Away Lodge). She completed the BD-Slipper double and won the Champagne. AS a 3yo she won the Flight Stks and the Oaks.
1999 - Redoute's Choice - went on to become a legend in the Australian breeding industry

Other notable winners include Blazing Saddles, Rancher, Zeditave, Alinghi and Sepoy.

The BD-Slipper double has been won by:

1972 - John's Hope
1978 - Manikato
1986 - Bounding Away
1989 - Courtza
2011 - Sepoy

Not an easy double to win.

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« 2020-Feb-19, 10:27 AM Reply #2 »
I donít think you can read much into the BD and GS double these days. Most GS winners in last 20 odd years bypassed the BD.

 I could be wrong but I think there is more MM winners or place getters who have won the GS in last 15 years than the same for BD.

I think the majority of the BD and GS winners in last 15 years have not gone with the job.

It is still a good race and usually a very good meeting. I do hope there is the BD / GS double winner soon too.

Not sure why the two race clubs donít offer a big bonus for it as they worked well with the Everest promotion last year. A $million bonus or entry to the Everest for the double will entice more to target the double.


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« 2020-Feb-19, 05:43 PM Reply #3 »
But they bypass the BD &GS double because itís too hard.
Those who have done it are the elite

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« 2020-Feb-19, 06:06 PM Reply #4 »
But they bypass the BD &GS double because itís too hard.
Those who have done it are the elite

Or is the prizemoney of the MM too good? I think the BD winner gets $900k while the MM winners gets a few hundred $k more.

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« 2020-Feb-19, 06:55 PM Reply #5 »
Interesting mention by Matt Hill today, Dwayne Dunn won the race 4 years in a row and all winners never won another race.

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« 2020-Feb-22, 05:48 AM Reply #6 »
I find it interesting that the stallion Night Of Thunder only served here one year in 2016 for $16,500 and covered 96 mares. 27 have been named and only about half a dozen have raced, and here are two of his offspring in the Blue Diamond field - A Beautiful Night and Riverina Storm.

Cherry Tortini by Night Of Thunder is down as "Active" with Patrick Payne and will race in the famous Tie The Knot colours of Tait and Nivison. Is out of a Whisked mare - Whisked produced Tie The Knot and two other stakes winners.




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« 2020-Feb-22, 03:40 PM Reply #7 »
Go Tagaloa   :clap2: you little beauty.

Japanese bred who looked a star from day one......probably bred to run on concrete.

Sits 3 wide outside the leader from barrier 4 and still too good......thank you very much!



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« 2020-Feb-22, 04:15 PM Reply #8 »
Go Tagaloa   :clap2: you little beauty.

Japanese bred who looked a star from day one......probably bred to run on concrete.

Sits 3 wide outside the leader from barrier 4 and still too good......thank you very much!

Your first comment on the race comes after it is run and won....


I noted you have put money into the  early market in a race of ' little interest' before the track conditions have been declared.......gamer than me but I wish you good luck.

Yes. Gamer than you in that I haven't got the "front" to come on here and brag that I've backed a winner after the race is over.

Next time put your tips up first before coming on here bragging post race. Weren't you one of the ones having a go at Peter Mair for exactly the same thing?

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« 2020-Feb-22, 05:11 PM Reply #9 »
Your first comment on the race comes after it is run and won....

Yes. Gamer than you in that I haven't got the "front" to come on here and brag that I've backed a winner after the race is over.

Next time put your tips up first before coming on here bragging post race. Weren't you one of the ones having a go at Peter Mair for exactly the same thing?
I don't do enough ' form study' to be on any forum......tipping.
My interest in racing these days is fairly passive and my bets are small and few but I always keep an eye out.

Tagaloa caught my eye the first time I saw him and I got a bit excited today........feels good.
Certainly wish your Oakleigh Plate tip had got up for my running double.......but I copped the Hanseatic tip for the quinella so thanks fellows.

I have contributed plenty of tips to the Melbourne Racing selections  thread in the past ........however most of the horses I've tipped there have ended up ...... well dead!..... so I stopped.

Never had  a go at P Mair for his lack of tipping......much prefer his contributions here than yours.

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« 2020-Feb-22, 05:37 PM Reply #10 »
Can't believe my eyes!

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« 2020-Feb-22, 05:55 PM Reply #11 »
Can't believe my eyes!

Fours
Well open them wider.

I'm sure he would qualify for one of your many first 4 theories.

3 wide outside the leader is a decent effort in any language so the  Japanese bred boy deserves his credit........Well done!

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« 2020-Feb-22, 06:07 PM Reply #12 »
nemesis,

Preferring Peter Mair was the reason.

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« 2020-Feb-23, 07:37 AM Reply #13 »
Nemesis, although it is good to put up tips first, then comment....it is a very hard old cynical world that won't allow for any goodwill, any good faith , and us accepting you have had a little win.
I believe ya.
Good on ya..
PP7 is having a hard time of it lately, his attitude is "off".
Hopefully he settles soon.
Don't worry bout him.

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« 2020-Feb-23, 11:14 AM Reply #14 »
I don't do enough ' form study' to be on any forum......tipping.
My interest in racing these days is fairly passive and my bets are small and few but I always keep an eye out.

Tagaloa caught my eye the first time I saw him and I got a bit excited today........feels good.
Certainly wish your Oakleigh Plate tip had got up for my running double.......but I copped the Hanseatic tip for the quinella so thanks fellows.

I have contributed plenty of tips to the Melbourne Racing selections  thread in the past ........however most of the horses I've tipped there have ended up ...... well dead!..... so I stopped.

Never had  a go at P Mair for his lack of tipping......much prefer his contributions here than yours.

This forum, ever since I have been a member, has come down on anyone who comes on here after the race and says "I backed the winner....".

The etiquette is you post before or you keep it to yourself.

Imagine for a moment if Wenona posted his dog tips after the event.....a) we wouldn't get his $10 winners and b) there would be a credibility problem.

Or perhaps the midweek tipping comp participants should be allowed to post their tips after the races are run. To not allow post race tipping would create a (and I quote direct) "a very hard old cynical world that won't allow for any goodwill, any good faith"

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« 2020-Feb-23, 02:20 PM Reply #15 »
Anyone doing their form using Racenet would have noted former member here 'Happy' had it on top as a special in the race.


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« 2020-Feb-23, 03:01 PM Reply #16 »
You,PP7 posting about etiquette, takes the cake.
On this forum ever since I've been a member you don't misread things and send threatening personal messages either.
Then attempt to squirm out of it by rewriting differently.
Nemesis had a little flutter and won, BFD.....and the bitter hard man is here, ready to pounce.

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« 2020-Feb-23, 08:35 PM Reply #17 »
.....and the bitter hard man is here, ready to pounce.

If I were bitter I'd be stalking you posting rants against you at every opportunity....oh hang on, that is what you are doing to me   :lol:

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« 2020-Feb-24, 09:00 AM Reply #18 »
This forum, ever since I have been a member, has come down on anyone who comes on here after the race and says "I backed the winner....".

The etiquette is you post before or you keep it to yourself.

Imagine for a moment if Wenona posted his dog tips after the event.....a) we wouldn't get his $10 winners and b) there would be a credibility problem.

Or perhaps the midweek tipping comp participants should be allowed to post their tips after the races are run. To not allow post race tipping would create a (and I quote direct) "a very hard old cynical world that won't allow for any goodwill, any good faith"
When I first joined the forum I had a go at a non-tipping type for sharing a "good win"......I thought that's what you do on forums.
Would I do it now? .....absolutely not........don't want to be so miserable......tell us about your winners!

There are plenty of times I see members throwing in the winning emogis to denote a good win as well as others who find a way to let people know they had a win......who cares?"

I jumped on here the day after Warning won the Derby when the opposite in the track conditions occurred in Melbourne.

I said I backed him because of the Galileo in his bloodline and mentioned I got quinella.
You responded fairly quickly with your own little "good win" story.....good luck to you.....I didn't see the tip.

So now the man so full of double standards is the forum's "chief etiquette officer"......How comforting!  :lol:   :lol:

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« 2020-Feb-24, 01:20 PM Reply #19 »
You know why I'm paying close attention to your posts, PP.
I'm demanding and awaiting an apology.
The fact that you keep digging away instead of facing up to your off behaviour in the middle of the night says it all.
For a confused person who thought he was called a god fearing idiot, a peado protector, (when he wasn't, when I was talking about Morrison/Houston), you then come running back with nonsense every time I update the thread with stuff about the St Kevin's saga and despicable Christian Brothers organisation.
Trying to say Nem's win mention was akin to someone having a tipping service that puts em up late is the silliest thing I have read in minutes.


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« 2020-Feb-24, 04:40 PM Reply #20 »
You and nemesis have been stalking me - good to see you acknowledge it.   emthup

Stalking is a bannable offense on most social media forums.

But I think it says more about you and nemesis, and your mental state, than it does about me so I'm not going to worry about it.

And weren't you having a go at me the other day about going off topic  :what:

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« 2020-Feb-24, 04:49 PM Reply #21 »
For the record this is what you wrote - comments directed at me:

The two guys who died Dec 18th were not on the North coast mate.
Try to be accurate hey?
Also, stating he came back for the worst of it, like some pre planned diligence , is the weirdest logic I've heard on that one...
Keep on blubbering....he is a disgrace, peado protectors mate,  god fearing idiot.


The syntax of the last sentence at worst is calling me a "peado (sic) protector's mate" and at best de-platforming me by associating my comments with paedophiles.

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« 2020-Feb-25, 07:27 AM Reply #22 »
What a bizarre post.
The 'syntax at worst' hey?
Maybe you should not  leap to the most paranoid 'worst' interpretation of what someone writes here.
It is really  really easy to understand what I wrote..
I have explained in multiple ways why your silly interpretation and subsequent over reaction and rudeness is off the mark.
You aren't god fearing, you have told us you don't believe.
You aren't a peado protector, you just keep defending the credibility of those that can rightfully be called such.
Nuanced point I know...but surely you get that.
I'm sorry you are touchy about the well founded disgust most survivors and supporters and non sheep have about the church.
However, like I said, misreading stuff and threatening via personal emails in the middle of the night is not on.
I'm not gonna let you off, why should I?
Bullying.
Apologise , and this boring issue goes away.
You didn't go to a Christian Brothers horror school with deviant priests who created deviant altar boys..I did.
You see, I know.
You..you just sit and think.

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« 2020-Feb-25, 08:30 AM Reply #23 »
Responding to poorly thought out posts with valid reasoned argument is not 'stalking' or 'bannable' (is that a word?)
What is 'bannable' would be threatening emails sent via personal messaging.. wouldn't it?
What the hell is 'deplatforming'?
Is that a Trump word or something?
As a clever researcher that you keep reminding us you are...just Google it, journo, ....you did not even know where the firefighters died, or when Scomo came back, nor when he was already scheduled to.
That's what started this beef.
Your inaccuracy.


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