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O.P. « 2017-Nov-09, 09:43 AM »
REPORTS OF DOPING SCANDAL TO ROCK RACING AUSTRALIA WIDE

AS the Melbourne Cup carnival enters its third day, the racing industry is about to be rocked by the findings of an doping investigation conducted by Racing Victoria stewards.

BRENDAN CORMICK reports for THE AUSTRALIAN that charges could be laid as early as tomorrow (Friday), with stewards exposing the alleged use of coded text messages to alert punters when to bet on doped horses.

A far-reaching investigation involves several stables and senior training figures as well as racing administrators. Itís understood that interstate figures are also being questioned by integrity officers.

The Australian understands several mobile phones have been seized by Racing Victoria stewards for forensic examination in the past month.

The phones belong to licensed persons. The investigation has looked into three yearsí worth of data.

Trainers from metropolitan, country and interstate stables, their staff and some owners have had to comply with the investigation as part of their licensing agreement.

It is understood one figure in a position of prominence will be required to stand aside.

A person known to one of the parties is alleged to have provided information that led to the unraveling of the coded messages.

The coded texts would be sent to those involved in the scam once the alleged doping had taken place so that they could orchestrate plunges. The alleged doping could involve dozens of races.

Racing Victoria stewards are tight-lipped as the matter is currently an investigation being held in-camera.

Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey would not confirm whether the current investigation had spread into other stables but he said stewards still have a number of interviews of licensed persons to conduct before making any further comment.

Several witnesses gave evidence early last week during an exhaustive day of interviews.

The revelations follow a recent crackdown by stewards on illegal treatment of horses on race day.

On October 7 at Flemington, acting on a report from the Compliance Assurance Team, stewards interviewed Melbourne trainer Robert Smerdon and registered stablehands Greg Nelligan, Jim Cook and Danny Garland.

It was in regard to the suspect treatment of the mare Lovani after it had arrived on course. The mare was led into an enclosed box, believed to be the one used to get urine samples from horses.

The Australian understands what followed was filmed on a closed circuit camera and recorded. Stewards, suspecting race day treatment took place orally, ordered the late withdrawal of Lovani from the ninth race.

The inquiry was adjourned so that the substance found in a plunger, confiscated from Nelligan, could be identified.

Stewards have not yet provided anything further in the way of a report. No charges have been laid in respect to that inquiry and it is not suggested that the inquiry is linked with the text messaging/doping scandal.

Trainers not involved in the case and owners with no blemish on their records want the book thrown at the alleged culprits if the allegations are proved.

One racing identity said yesterday racing in Victoria would suffer for some time as a result of the findings.

The Australian attempted to contact Smerdon but he was not available.

Racing in Victoria has had to battle damaging headlines around the carnival over the past five years.

The betting scandal involving Damien Oliver in 2012 tarnished the industry. He placed $10,000 on the winner of a race at Moonee Valley that he had a ride in through a conduit from the jockeysí room. Oliver was banned for 10 months.

The cobalt episode involving Peter Moody, Mark Kavanagh and Danny OíBrien dragged on through the 2015 and 2016 carnivals, with the original hearing and a subsequent appeal.

Moody quit training after being found guilty, annoyed by the finding and not prepared to exhaust his finances on further legal fees.

LGHR report.

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« 2017-Nov-10, 07:03 AM Reply #1 »
Must admit never could work out Nic Ashman's racing qualification, but he has  turned up on Racing.com as the face of  Bet 365.

He did  advise any punters, who needed some help something like this......"in all the years I've been punting I have learned that when the money goes on a Robert Smerdon runner you must follow the smart money"

He was talking about Property who finished 6th.


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« 2017-Nov-10, 07:23 PM Reply #3 »
TOP RACING OFFICIAL EMBROILED IN RACING VICTORIA DOPING PROBE
A LEADING racing administrator is the latest figure to be embroiled in a sensational Racing Victoria investigation into alleged widespread doping.
LEO SCHLINK reports for the HERALD-SUN that as many as seven trainers are believed to have been grilled by stewards in a complex probe stemming from the alleged race day treatment of Robert Smerdonís Lovani with an unknown substance at the Turnbull Stakes meeting at Flemington last month.

Chief steward Terry Bailey wonít comment on the case.

But information extracted from confiscated mobile phones belonging to Aquanita Racing personnel has led to several high-profile figures being interviewed.

The Herald Sun understands directors of the Aquanita board, including Melbourne Racing Club chairman Mike Symons, could be interviewed. There is no suggestion Symons or any director is involved.

Smerdon and other members of his staff, including float driver Greg Nelligan, are among a growing band of ¨licensed operators to be formally interviewed.

Nelligan was observed allegedly attempting to orally administer a paste to Lovani with a plunger shortly before she was due to race. Nelligan was monitored by members of RVís Compliance Assurance team after he allegedly took the mare behind closed doors into a swabbing stall. The float driverís mobile phone was confiscated.

The paste has been sent to a laboratory for drug analysis. The results of those tests are not yet known.

Stewards interviewed Smerdon, Nelligan and ¨registered stablehands Jim Cook and Danny Garland at Flemington on October 7.

The investigation is expected to take several weeks.

The Herald Sun was told charges were not imminent given the complexity of the case.ENDS......above story from LGHR

Racing.com report follows._

Symons: I have nothing to hide
 
Matt Stewart@Mattunchained
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Melbourne Racing Club chairman Mike Symons says he is 'angered and distressed' at being 'dragged into' an apparent doping scandal.

"I have absolutely nothing to hide. I told (chief steward) Terry Bailey he could have my phone, my records, the lot. I know absolutely nothing of any alleged doping of horses. I am utterly distressed that I've been dragged into it."

Symons, a director of Aquanita Racing for 12 years, and also director of the company that employs trainer Robert Smerdon, confirmed he and other Aquanita directors had been advised by stewards that they would be required to be interviewed.

He said he believed the directors would be the 'last cabs off the rank because I believe stewards still have to interview a number of people and also some who haven't yet been available'.
Stewards have given no details of the nature of the inquiry, other than to indicate that it is ongoing. It is unclear if it will be resolved within weeks or continue into the New Year.

They are believed to be investigating a possible doping ring that might involve as many as seven trainers.

The investigation follows the recent race-day treatment probe involving Smerdon and his mare Lovani.

Stewards scratched the horse from a race on Turnbull Stakes Day, alleging she had been illegally treated with a paste.

Smerdon, his float driver Greg Nelligan and a strapper were interviewed on the day. It is believed the paste has been confiscated and is being tested.

Smerdon did not return calls from Racing.com on Friday, sending a text message: "Sorry I can't talk right now."

Stewards are believed to be in possession of text messages taken from a phone confiscated from an Aquanita float driver. They are believed to reveal information about horse doping and related betting activity.

Symons, who said it was well known that he was a punter, said he would have informed stewards immediately had he ever suspected illegal practices in the training of horses at Aquanita.ENDS

Well he would say that wouldn't he......as for Terry Bailey not commenting it's obvious that "someone" has standard press practice to protect their source.

Giddy Up :beer:


OOOPS the last section of the story quoting Symons was unintentionally omitted. :shy:

"It was our duty as board directors to ensure our trainers were at all times compliant and aware of the rules. I'm not pre-judging anything and I hope this inquiry comes sooner or later. All I'm saying is me, and the board, have no knowledge of any improper behaviour," he said.
"I am extremely distressed that my name has popped up in this. I am distressed that information from what should have been a closed inquiry has become public, given the only people that knew of it were our directors, contacted by email."
Symons said he challenged Bailey about possible leaking of sensitive information.
"He just said the more wide-ranging the inquiry becomes, the greater the possibility of it getting out," he said.
"I just want this dealt with. I have nothing to hide and will answer any of their questions."
Symons said it had long been proposed that he would relinquish the chairmanship of the MRC early next year as 'part of our normal transitioning process' but said he would not resign for the 'wrong reasons'.
"Once this mess is dusted up and my stated position is proven, there would want to be a decent gap between that and any decision that was made regarding the MRC. I would hate for anyone to think they were in any way connected," he said.


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« 2017-Nov-10, 10:49 PM Reply #4 »
I don't comment on these cases unless pointing out that everyone is entitled to a fair hearing.

But the very fact that this is even a story...after all the pain we have gone through with Cobalt and other stuff over recent times....you just gotta shake your head  :no:

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« 2017-Nov-11, 06:37 AM Reply #5 »
Greedy and morons. :no: A lethal combination 

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« 2017-Nov-14, 12:28 PM Reply #6 »
Aquinita have been playing these games for a long time, including laying their horses on Betfair  emthdown

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« 2017-Nov-14, 06:21 PM Reply #7 »

This doping scandal is another contrived diversion

There is nothing so reliable as Melbourne racing administrators loudly demonstrating their committment to 'integrity' --   the self same lot that routinely allow races to be run that can be  called 'unfair' as soon as acceptances are declared.

Races so run as to encourage some horses to be deliberately  'unlucky' one day and 'lucky' another day

The idea that a major trainer would dope a horse is stupid to start with and doubly so if done on the morning of a race - - an automatic offence.

Not only are horses swabbed at random, and not at random, there is a leakage problem if more than one person knows--- and then there is the money trail  --  either 'on' or 'off' the horse in question.

There is no point doping a horse to win or to lose and then not making money by betting accordingly.

The only winning scenario has only one person doing the doping and only that one person betting to take advantage of it -- and then hoping that s not discovered.

Not credible.

On the matter of dopes and being duped it is surely the TAB punters that need to be swabbed for the display of gullibility that seems impregnable to the routine working over with the wide comb shears in this the shearing season.


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« 2017-Nov-14, 07:45 PM Reply #8 »
Starting to have some concerns about the calibre of Stewarding in Victoria. Just watched some videos and watched the ride on a bolter called "Black Soul " in the second race at Bendigo Today. You used to have to ride them out to the line otherwise you faced one of the more serious charges in Racing ie failing to give a horse every opportunity etc. Now the stewards pinged the bloke who rode it but what was the penalty ? A lousy $200 bucks or about his riding fee. That is a complete joke. I will be the first to say that the horse  could not have won but did he get every opportunity to finish in the first four . Clearly not. Even the "Integrity " people agreed that he wasn't tested. For that he virtually cops nil penalty. You would have to think this  buzz word "Integrity" is clearly that  ; and nothing else.

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« 2017-Nov-14, 08:25 PM Reply #9 »
Starting to have some concerns about the calibre of Stewarding in Victoria. Just watched some videos and watched the ride on a bolter called "Black Soul " in the second race at Bendigo Today. You used to have to ride them out to the line otherwise you faced one of the more serious charges in Racing ie failing to give a horse every opportunity etc. Now the stewards pinged the bloke who rode it but what was the penalty ? A lousy $200 bucks or about his riding fee. That is a complete joke. I will be the first to say that the horse  could not have won but did he get every opportunity to finish in the first four . Clearly not. Even the "Integrity " people agreed that he wasn't tested. For that he virtually cops nil penalty. You would have to think this  buzz word "Integrity" is clearly that  ; and nothing else.

The bloke riding the last horse should have got fined $400 if that was the criteria. He stops riding at the top of the straight!!

Ingenious - rider Damien Thornton could offer no explanation for the performance which was disappointing. A post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.

He sat up in the saddle not long after they turned the corner. Goes into the blackbook.

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« 2017-Nov-14, 09:36 PM Reply #10 »
   1.   Not too much wrong with the Integrity of that race with a  R. I.  Q. of 60%, in that five of the horses most likely to place, [  10  7  1  5  13  ], included three of the placings [  1  5  and   10 }.  This dataset is not a Rating.
     
  2.   Horse # 8 had a rating of 80.7  which is 8.1 lengths inferior to the Winner # 1, @ 88.8. on 3 most recent runs, important in a middle distance event.  Perhaps No 8 was just jack of all the racing  ( just look at the Form data ) in the last 23 days; as being a 7 days horse in the last four events is quite a load.?

 
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« 2017-Nov-15, 05:31 AM Reply #11 »

Follow the money -- where did it go (and where did it not go)

In the same way that it is not sensible to dope a horse, and then not bet to take financial advantage, it is not sensible to pull a horse one day before letting it go on another day, without playing a financial hand.

Evidence of such behaviour would be in the betting market in terms of 'firming' and 'easing'- - usually too late for TAB punters to change their bets

The evidence would also be in the betting behaviour of  'connections' : this evidence is apparently never found presumably because it is never looked for and that is an indictment of the administration of an industry noisily claiming a commitment to integrity.

............. there is not much integrity in a Cup week being Xmas for bookmakers......... but that absence is compensated by contriving a controversy about possible misbehaviour and a flurrry of noise about what will be done to find and punish it.




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« 2017-Nov-15, 08:03 AM Reply #12 »
Cannot possibly see what some ones computer ratings have to do with the integrity of a race. If such ratings were the be all of everything then there wouldn't be any point in running races to bet on. My comments were aimed squarely at the Stewards who saw what is regarded as a serious breach of the rules and bashed up the culprit with a feather .Whether some ones computer tells them the horse wasn't a winning chance is totally irrelevant.

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« 2017-Nov-15, 04:58 PM Reply #13 »
They throw up the animal welfare card as a reason. Doesn't help the punters playing multis  :chin:

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« 2017-Nov-15, 05:28 PM Reply #14 »


The computer may not lie

...................... but it is surprising that no one is using this technology before the race is run
 and sharing the forecast in the media.

More to the point is the implication that the computer program beats the SP market as a guide.

I suspect what is happening is that the computer 'finds' some detail in a past performance that , if repeatd, would give a runner a good chance -- and then shows it was repeated in the unexpected result.

What we need are the results of the computer analysis before the race is run.


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« 2017-Nov-15, 07:55 PM Reply #15 »
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What we need are the results of the computer analysis before the race is run.

Well, get off your arse and do something for yourself  :lol:

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« 2017-Nov-15, 10:15 PM Reply #16 »
Very well put Gintara. Sometimes I don't think that some of these regulatory authorities realize how much is invested in various forms of multis.

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« 2017-Nov-16, 01:02 AM Reply #17 »

Wily presents a problem,

........on his own say so he is reportedly something of a success at the punting caper.......on the other hand i would be surprised if even someone of Wily's claimed ability were not dismayed by the surprize outcomes routinely showing up in races over 1400 m at both Flenington and Caulfield --- this especially when those races are contested by restricted class gallopers and the fields are inflated to capacity.

If no one else can get it right, the probability is that Wily does not either

Accorgdingly one might expect to see Wily also looking for some relief -- the stakes are high when these 'dud' races are legs of quadrellas and the TAB pools  nationally are being knocked off by syndicate punters entitled to rebates.




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« 2017-Nov-16, 06:31 AM Reply #18 »
Wily presents a problem,

........on his own say so he is reportedly something of a success at the punting caper



More lies. I have constantly said on here that I'm a bad punter.


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« 2017-Nov-16, 06:54 AM Reply #19 »


............ the good news wily is i am here to help

You will be a better punter once you, and others, are given a fair chance of race results reflecting the form

Importantly, one prerequisite is for FVL to proscribe the running of 1400 m races at flemington and caulfield with inflated fields of restricted  class horses.

I am thinking you see the wisdom of this now.

Other changes are also much needed -- reflect on the race outcomes for the valley of tears on Friday night and then ponder the prospects awaiting on saturday --  races  2 and 10 in particular look suspect on the score of all 15 0r 16 runners getting a fair crack of the whip.

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« 2017-Nov-16, 06:57 AM Reply #20 »
So you're now claiming an 11 horse field is inflated?

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« 2017-Nov-16, 07:03 AM Reply #21 »

.................. it can be if the runners are early 3yro and the distance is new.

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« 2017-Nov-16, 07:20 AM Reply #22 »
So you would ban 11 horse fields for 3yos over a new distance :chin:

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« 2017-Nov-16, 04:26 PM Reply #23 »


The capacity of wily to misunderstand belies his name.

Racing administrators inflate fields to inflate turnover and thus the 'take' available to fund racing.

The problems come when the size of the field is inconsistent with a fair race and are compounded when runners are accepted which do not warrant the weight. or are otherwise unsuited to be competitive in the race

Except in special circumstances , race fields for 1400 m races at Flemington and Caulfield should be limited to 10 acceptances including two emergencies so that 8 run.

Those 10 need to be qualified to start -- not just horses out for a run with no real prospect of being anything other than an impediment to a fair race.


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« 2017-Nov-16, 04:58 PM Reply #24 »
Who were the horses "out for a run" in Tamasa's race?


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