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Steve M

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O.P. « 2010-Apr-23, 07:11 AM »
Ducal, Muir and Martial Law all debuting on the weekend. Might be worth tracking them here.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/williams-cup-hopes-on-show-20100422-tfz8.html

Any comments on how good they were back in Europe?

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« 2010-Apr-23, 11:09 AM Reply #1 »
any of these had a name change

will take a look at their form and see what i can find.

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« 2010-Apr-23, 11:22 AM Reply #2 »
Ducal now Grand Ducal is a G3 winner over 2000m and placed at G2 level over 1400M both as a 3YO.

Muir is a winner of 3 2000M races from a maiden to a rating 100.

Martial Law is winner over the mile as 2YO, & 3000m as a 3yo, placed at Listed level.


Wouldn't expect much from them over 1200, But Grand Ducal looks the best on form and Nick Hall being on is a good lead to it being the best of the lot, at this stage anyway.




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« 2010-Apr-23, 11:31 AM Reply #3 »
thx tev, saved me looking at the form and i would agree with your logic there.  emthup

Steve M

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« 2010-May-11, 08:09 PM Reply #4 »
Few more running at Flemington Saturday.

As an aside...he's rolled out a few impressive locals recently.

Base [Zabeel] won yesterday - he looked look.

I think there were two on Friday...both non winners but went ok, I think Brampton was the pick.

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« 2010-May-11, 08:24 PM Reply #5 »
Brampton sacked already mate, that was a terrible race.

Steve M

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« 2010-May-11, 08:26 PM Reply #6 »
  :lol:  he's only had the one start ?

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« 2010-May-11, 08:41 PM Reply #7 »
They add a lot of interest, only thing is that we're totally reliant on the market of their chances when they're first up. Can't back them on previous form.

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« 2010-May-11, 09:23 PM Reply #8 »
They add a lot of interest, only thing is that we're totally reliant on the market of their chances when they're first up. Can't back them on previous form.

They win at any odds, the market rarely tells you anything with the Williams horses, My opinion is they are trying all the time and unless they are too short in the market for my own tastes, I am happy to put my hard earned on.


Steve M

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« 2010-Aug-22, 01:24 PM Reply #9 »
Didn't see the race but can see Grand Ducal didn't do a lot. Anyone see it?

Jim Pike

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« 2010-Aug-22, 01:39 PM Reply #10 »
He made a wide run around the field from back in the field, which made it impossible to win, he was beaten a long way out and in spite of the hard run was disapointing finishing a long last

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« 2010-Aug-22, 01:47 PM Reply #11 »
I've got nothing to base this on other than gut feel, but I don't have a zac on any of his other than possibly in their target race.

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« 2010-Aug-22, 01:50 PM Reply #12 »
I thought when it peeled out it had something to give but gave nothing

Jim Pike

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« 2010-Aug-22, 02:02 PM Reply #13 »
I back all his Zabeels!! and am a long way in front, don't back any of his others!

Steve M

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« 2010-Aug-22, 02:13 PM Reply #14 »
Thanks gents.

Jim Pike

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« 2010-Aug-24, 10:18 PM Reply #15 »
I see Lloyd has 22 horses nommed for the Metrop in Sydney

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« 2010-Aug-25, 04:00 PM Reply #16 »
My opinion is they are trying all the time and unless they are too short in the market for my own tastes, I am happy to put my hard earned on.

Couldn't disagree more, he only tries once or twice a campaign with his older horses.

His up and coming horses often win consecutives races because

a) he is trying to boost their ratings

b) they are racing against inferior opposition

As for Grand Ducal forget he went around at the Valley, the run is far better then it'll read on paper. Wouldn't shock to see him run into the placings next start.

Jim Pike

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« 2010-Aug-26, 03:39 PM Reply #17 »
Jonesy not sure you can say things like that can you? I mean Marc Lambourne got sacked for intimating that a horse was "having a run" on radio, he never actually said it wasn't trying, we all know that doesn't happen don't we?? I mean you weren't meant to be taken literally were you?

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« 2010-Aug-26, 04:23 PM Reply #18 »
Couldn't disagree more, he only tries once or twice a campaign with his older horses.


Spot on   emthup
Fortunately his target races are usually pretty obvious

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« 2010-Aug-26, 04:29 PM Reply #19 »
Jesus! How would Hickmotts strike rate be if he actually had his horse trying! I mean it's a 28.26% win rate at the minute with a better than 50% place rate.

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« 2010-Aug-26, 04:36 PM Reply #20 »
Jesus! How would Hickmotts strike rate be if he actually had his horse trying! I mean it's a 28.26% win rate at the minute with a better than 50% place rate.
You got a break down on his young lightly raced horses compared to his older proven horses there Tevez?

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« 2010-Aug-26, 04:45 PM Reply #21 »
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« 2010-Aug-26, 04:47 PM Reply #22 »
Yes Tevez but you have to be careful how you read stats, Lloyd has a lot of Classy horses that go through their classes and increase their ratings, this gives him an overall pretty good strike rate, so actually both arguments have some credibility, I don't think Lloyd's horses are ever "not trying" but are aimed at specific targets, if you took the line that his horses were not trying you MUST say the same about a fella called James Bartholomew Cummings!! his horses don't tend to win a lot of the lead ups either, but they win their share of Target races don't they???
Once you get to the spring it is very hard to keep a Good strike rate against the very best horses in training, having horses race at their best is treading a very fine line, if you have them at their top too early and they go "over the top" you can't bring them back for the Big one(Their Target)
T.J. had a totally different philosophy, he believed that you won what you can while you can and he still won more majors than anyone!

Steve M

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« 2010-Sep-12, 02:59 PM Reply #23 »
Gather some of set galloped at Bendigo? Anyone catch who went around?

Jim Pike

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« 2010-Sep-12, 03:16 PM Reply #24 »
Yeah they had Alandi, Martial Law and I know it but just can't remember the 3rd one now, will let you know when I remember it
Then C'est Legurre(forget the spelling) worked alone


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