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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2018-Oct-14, 12:00 PM Reply #200 »

My question is ... How is he allowed to race as Yucatan in Australia when there's a local 3yo currently racing with the same name ...... ran 7th at its first start at Morphettville on June 9th.  :chin:

A very good question.  emthup

Ask the Studbook

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« 2018-Oct-14, 01:25 PM Reply #201 »
The inferior gelding should be made to change his name. Not only that he should change it himself.


We are in agreement Auth.

No geldings in Derbys. No Group 1 classifications given out to handicaps.  More 2 and 3 year old black type set weights races, especially 2yo fillies.

Purist thought  :angel:

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« 2018-Oct-14, 04:04 PM Reply #202 »
How did we not pick up that he came through the path that Johannes Vermeer took before heading to Australia.  :chin:

Both had similar results  :shy:

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« 2018-Oct-19, 07:55 AM Reply #203 »
From Racenet

Analysis of Yucatan betting records expected to be finalised Friday

A Victorian stewards’ analysis of betting from bookmakers and Betfair in relation to Yucatan, the Lloyd Williams-owned stayer which was withdrawn from the Caulfield Cup on Monday evening, is expected to be finalised on Friday.

Stewards want to inspect betting records, which take several days to collect and analyse, before closing their look at Yucatan’s Caulfield Cup withdrawal.

Early on Monday it was announced that Yucatan would be running in the Caulfield Cup with Michael Walker booked to ride the horse and as a consequence the brilliant winner of last Saturday’s Herbert Power Stakes firmed to become outright favourite.

Bookies firmed the Aidan O'Brien-trained galloper into $4.50 favourite in all-in betting, but it was revealed on Monday night Yucatan would not be a starter despite there being no official announcement.

Victorian chief steward Robert Cram told Racenet on Wednesday that Williams and connections had “satisfied the rules” by the process they followed in taking Yucatan out of the Caulfield Cup.

Cram said all-in punters who did their cash on Yucatan had been left “a bit stranded’’ but said “that’s the nature of all-in betting.”


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« 2018-Oct-19, 01:45 PM Reply #204 »

Last year Williams junior told us that Almandin was going better than ever .... bit of a pattern developing here.


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« 2018-Oct-19, 06:15 PM Reply #205 »
So "they followed the rules" did they?

Usually these things don't come to light unless Betfair complains.

One possible scenario they are investigating is:

i) Yucatan announced as a starter in the Caulfield Cup
ii) Someone with the knowledge that the horse won't be running (probably a stable employee- doubt if Lloyd or Nick would need the spare cash) gets outside parties to lay the horse
iii) Horse is scratched or announced non runner
iv) With the benefit of hindsight Betfair notices the abnormal betting patterns and contacts RVL

Did someone mention integrity?

Be interested to see the outcome.

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« 2019-Jul-28, 09:21 AM Reply #206 »
The five horses G Rogerson bought off Lloyd Williams are Gallante, Assign,Pattern My Bantry Bay and Surrey who is an unraced son of High Chaparral and Makybe Diva.
Sad to see Assign, the winner of $700K, break his leg in a paltry $10,000 maiden hurdle in Rotorua yesterday.

Hardly a profitable exercise for G Rogerson, the purchase of these horses and it is an ugly part of racing.

Assign now joins Pattern and My Bantry Bay with a "deceased" after their names.....RIP.

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« 2019-Nov-25, 01:35 PM Reply #207 »

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Nov-25, 02:50 PM Reply #208 »
Let’s not forget that  blokes 80 years old as well

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« 2019-Nov-25, 02:52 PM Reply #209 »
The last 18 months of the operation  have clearly shown that without Lloyd Williams' de facto training of the horses the success of the previous years has not been achievable.

I hope we don't have a repeat of this situation where someone who trains the horses  does not have a licence.

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« 2019-Nov-25, 08:05 PM Reply #210 »
So what's the story with Nick?

Is he out on his own now rather than hanging on to daddy's coat-tails or not?

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« 2019-Nov-25, 08:18 PM Reply #211 »
Silly question but other than Cummings are there any more private trainers left?

Another question are there big Australian family ownerships of horses other than Bob Peter’s left?

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« 2019-Nov-26, 08:21 AM Reply #212 »
CM reports Lloyd is selling Macedon Lodge which he bought for a reported $5.1M and  is apparently exporting hisself to Ireland to team up with Joseph O'Brien  :bye:

Lloyd’s Lodge will be sold
END OF AN ERA: Macedon Lodge, owned by Lloyd Williams (left), will go on sale, possibly for about $20 million, next year.

LLOYD Williams will continue to pursue his Melbourne Cup obsession via Ireland after deciding to close his Macedon Lodge training operation.

The record-setting Cup owner has confirmed “Macedon will close for me next month”, ending years of speculation the property would be sold.

Williams, 79, will offer Macedon Lodge for sale next year.

The speculated price tag is about $20 million.

“Over the last 18 months I have found it impossible to supervise Macedon Lodge,’’ Williams said. “Over the previous decades I lived there and supervised everything. But (it’s) more difficult in your 80th (year) – age slows you down.”

Macedon Lodge has produced three of Williams’ six Cup winners – Efficient, Green Moon and Almandin.

Sheila Laxon trained Ethereal to 2001 Caulfield Cup and Melbourne Cup glory out of the palatial property, nestled in the shadows of Mount Macedon.

Williams bought the 121ha property, which features stateof-the-art facilities, for $5.1 million from businessman Kurt Stern in 2005.

Williams will not relocate to a smaller training centre. He will instead continue to collaborate with Joseph O’Brien, the young Irish trainer who landed the 2017 Cup with Rekindling. “Racing continues for us – many, many horses in Ireland,” Williams said.

“We will be back with Frankie (Dettori) to try (to) win the Cup (in) 2020.”

Williams, O’Brien and Dettori combined with Master Of Reality in this year’s Cup.

Giddy Up  :beer:

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Offline nemisis

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« 2019-Nov-27, 09:37 AM Reply #213 »
It's evident in the image above just how expensive running Macedon Lodge would be........all the staff in the image plus keeping that pool in shape in the Macedon Ranges would be a job on it's own.

Sad part for me that even with these facilities the number of horses that left there and had incredible handicap ratings put on them by other trainers was far too good to be true.

Annus Mirabilis left there with a 72 rating and S Webb took him to a 100 rater...... RIP Annus.

The reasons that Akzar and High Church had 14 or so rating points put on them by D Weir are about to become exposed next year by Victorian police.......nothing to do with sand dunes!

Last couple of years has seen that trend reverse.

Watching La Trobe unable to get passed Trap For Fools in the 2018 Mackinnon Stakes would surely have a lot of people just giving up.....it was a $2,000,000 race!
Thanks to Victorian police that will also be explained.........J McLean says the EPO was for his personal use.  :o

I can understand the dream behind Macedon Lodge but the reality of staying horses and firm ground are just too opposite, in this country.