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Steve M

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O.P. « 2016-Mar-15, 07:03 PM »
Do you?
Do you not?

Is there anything that would cause you to do so?

I just love betting on the jumps in 90's I think it's at point where there's going to be enough competition to get interested again.

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« 2016-Mar-15, 07:26 PM Reply #1 »
I used to around the time Jamie Evans was riding but haven't really taken any notice for a long time  :shrug:

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« 2016-Mar-15, 07:53 PM Reply #2 »
Watching the UK racing on Sky late at night has given me an appreciation of their jumps racing.

Their horses seem to be much more skilled going over significantly more difficult hurdles/steeples than we have in Australia.

I don't think there is enough money in jumps racing in Australia for us to approach the professionalism of UK jumps racing.

And for that reason, and a totally different reason stated by the animal liberationalists, I wouldn't mind seeing it done away with i.e. make it professional racing or don't persevere with it.

Maybe RVL would save enough money then that they could pump it back into their wonderful country racing circuits like Stony Creek  :bulb:

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« 2016-Mar-15, 11:14 PM Reply #3 »
I do but only the basis of finding a potentially superior jumps racers (especially as a novice) and following them through.  Vatuvei was my mark last year.

The prices are never terribly flash but 2/1 and 3/1 about a horse that you consider an even money or shorter chance is good shopping.  Clean jumpers with good flat ability are generally my criteria, especially if they appear to be enjoying themselves.

I used to get very hung up on horses I had backed falling - as if I needed another way to get beat - but really that is all a fall is from a punting perspective : Another way to get beat and it is no worse (from a punting perspective) than any other way of getting beaten.

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« 2016-Mar-16, 03:10 PM Reply #4 »
I do but only the basis of finding a potentially superior jumps racers (especially as a novice) and following them through.  Vatuvei was my mark last year.



I remember debating DD over this horse, I think it was his 3 year old season and I had him pegged as a C grade wet tracker who would make a hurdler.

Very astute I say  :icecream: for once  :shy:

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« 2016-Mar-16, 04:55 PM Reply #5 »
You are a hard marker.  He did pick up a St Leger and a MV Cup along the way.

...then again, it depends on how many grades you have. If you go all the way down to Z then I will take C grade (in fact I would probably settle for an F)

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« 2016-Mar-16, 07:31 PM Reply #6 »
Gee I would love a tour of Gintara's Stable. There must be some handy ones there. Moonee Valley Cup winners and St Leger winners are C Graders. I might even be  interested in some of the D Graders.

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« 2016-Mar-18, 01:47 PM Reply #7 »
Watching the UK racing on Sky late at night has given me an appreciation of their jumps racing.

Their horses seem to be much more skilled going over significantly more difficult hurdles/steeples than we have in Australia.

I don't think there is enough money in jumps racing in Australia for us to approach the professionalism of UK jumps racing.

And for that reason, and a totally different reason stated by the animal liberationalists, I wouldn't mind seeing it done away with i.e. make it professional racing or don't persevere with it.

Maybe RVL would save enough money then that they could pump it back into their wonderful country racing circuits like Stony Creek  :bulb:

Watching the winner return to the winners enclosure is amazing at Cheltenham even on TV.


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« 2016-Mar-18, 03:31 PM Reply #8 »
With our (stupid) rules the stewards would have a heart attack watching all the congratulations
and hugs for the jockey when he dismounts.

On the winners return at Cheltenham I have never heard or seen a reception like Sprinter Sacre got on Wednesday night.

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« 2018-Jul-23, 11:45 AM Reply #9 »
The Stewards' report  for the Bendigo jumps races yesterday is one of absolute carnage.

One horse dead and many  injured on the good 4 racing surface.

One of the new safety  rules brought in a few years ago was  that jumping races could only be conducted on a soft 5 or worse. 

The track was supposedly rated a soft 5 at the start of the day but according to Bryce Stanaway it was too firm from the start.

Sorry to see Mujadale do a tendon but glad the gallant Hornet's Nest was scratched.
« Last Edit: 2018-Jul-23, 11:59 AM by nemisis »

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« 2018-Aug-05, 11:36 AM Reply #10 »
It would have to be a bit of a concern that today's Grand National jumping meeting is being conducted on a good 4 surface.

Goes completely against the welfare standards that were introduced to lessen the injuries and fatalities caused by jumping on firm ground.

What can you do other than wish everybody safe passage.

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« 2018-Aug-05, 01:06 PM Reply #11 »
Good 4 is not firm is it ?

Any GOOD in the description should indicate perfectly safe ground ?

Really lookiing forward to seeing how Darabad goes. He does not jump very well in his trials and races quite freely. Will be interesting to see if the jockey can control him.

He is NOT worth a bet at his current quote.

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« 2018-Aug-05, 06:23 PM Reply #12 »
A good 4 is a dead in the old terminology

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« 2018-Aug-06, 12:47 PM Reply #13 »
Good 4 is not firm is it ?

Any GOOD in the description should indicate perfectly safe ground ?

Really lookiing forward to seeing how Darabad goes. He does not jump very well in his trials and races quite freely. Will be interesting to see if the jockey can control him.

He is NOT worth a bet at his current quote.

Thought the same thing and the trainer interview pre race raised warning bells all over the place - who on earth backed him into $1.70?

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« 2018-Aug-06, 01:42 PM Reply #14 »
I would have put money on the Soft 5  or worse rule for jumping races.

I have checked the track condition rule for jumping and it is in fact good 4 and worse.

It is a 2009 rule so I suppose the welfare recommendations about softer track conditions for jumpers  a few years ago has been ignored.

I am aware about good 4 and dead tracks being the same but the forces being applied to jumpers are a bit different to flat races.
« Last Edit: 2018-Aug-06, 03:10 PM by nemisis »

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« 2018-Aug-20, 08:01 PM Reply #15 »
Grand National run Sunday at Ballarat very exciting finish the race caller deserves a medal for his voice lasting to the finish.

https://www.racing.com/form/2018-08-19/sportsbet-ballarat


Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2022-Apr-19, 09:54 AM Reply #16 »
Hardly a good start to the jumping season

I had a bet and watched a couple of the jump races at Pakenham yesterday.
It is heart in mouth stuff.
White Heath in the 3rd race looked to be in death throes when he came down....fortunately only winded but still injured.

Zed Em's fall looked particularly bad.....came down on his neck.
Did get up and jumped the last but did spend the night at the horse hospital.
Now confined to a box for sometime with an obviously bad shoulder injury and retired.
Lets hope he has a full recovery.

Zed Em has been a real jumping hero but had the rising 12 yr old  lost his life on the track yesterday....that would have been very hard to cop.
18 wins and $1.14 million.....what a star the son of Zed has been.

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« 2022-Apr-19, 11:05 AM Reply #17 »
Zed Em has been a great jumper. God only knows where he would have ended up without that extending his career
Glad hes ok and now has a great paddock to retire to👏

Having jumped into one at the Easter sales I can only hope he has 12 years of racing ahead of him
« Last Edit: 2022-Apr-19, 11:08 AM by wily ole dog »

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« 2022-Apr-19, 12:25 PM Reply #18 »
Hmmm,

Out of Sepoy or Deep Field or Radish?

Fours

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« 2022-Apr-19, 02:50 PM Reply #19 »
Pierro :thumbsup:

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« 2022-Apr-20, 05:09 PM Reply #20 »
I've got a small interest in a Proisir who looks like he'll stay all day.

Already said I hope he can jump as I'd love to see him at Warrnambool in years to come.

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« 2022-Apr-21, 11:21 AM Reply #21 »
Bit of nostalgia with Oakbank and Easter . .

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« 2022-May-31, 11:36 AM Reply #22 »
Tuned into Racing.com to check out the track conditions at Hamilton just then with a hurdle race in progress.

Couldn't help notice Zoffany Rocket barely able to clear the 2nd last jump.
The horse was put under the stick to keep going and then went out of screen but you couldn't miss the last panel go down.
Zoffany Rocket doesn't complete the race and according to Rick the fallen horse is only winded.....how would he know?
That was the only mention the horse got.....something not right here!

Got to say it's a tough watch watching jumping races....you sort of just expect something will go wrong and give a sigh of relief when the horses complete the course seemingly un-scathed.


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