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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2016-Jun-30, 06:01 PM Reply #25 »
Hammers

It's unbelievable as to what has been allowed to pass on this forum, by Magic,  for years and this was shut down.
Your above post is spot on :thumbsup:

You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.......
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« 2016-Jun-30, 07:28 PM Reply #26 »

For mine, a forum is a meeting place/gathering (online or real world) whereby people meet, discuss things, debate things, agree on things, disagree on things, teach others, learn from others etc. Communication/information is two-way or multiple directions; not one-way, dictator-style, 'my-way-or-the-highway' rhetoric.


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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:11 PM Reply #27 »
The trick is boys to debate the issue and not the personal worth of the poster.  Peter Mair has a much right to post his opinion as you do.  Personally, I can't remember when I agreed with his views, but that is no ground to abuse the bloke.  That is what is outside Harmer's description of the purpose of this place.  MagiC has done the right thing and does not deserve the cynical material you have posted.
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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:16 PM Reply #28 »
So i guess it was you who objected to my post....rather than peter himself.
Given he never pays any attention to what others say, it must have been you.
Ive seen countless threads containing abuse and you choose to report this

Go figure  :no:

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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:32 PM Reply #29 »
Wily, whoever reported the abuse is irrelevant!!

It was personal abuse, which is outlawed on this Forum.   Since when does your sighting of countless threads containing abuse justify anything???  Anyone should be allowed their views without fear of being abused for it.  Abuse the "view" by all means, but not the poster.   What is difficult about complying with the rules here?

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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:35 PM Reply #30 »
Okay. Thank you. It was you

How many posts do you think you've reported over the past 12 months?

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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:40 PM Reply #31 »
Relevance? 

It may be me, it may not.  Are we promoting a culture where reporting of personal abuse, which is against the rules of the Forum, is frowned upon????????  Despite what MagiC has been urging in recent times.


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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:41 PM Reply #32 »
I predicted ages ago that over-moderation was a danger to the forum rather than the reverse.


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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:47 PM Reply #33 »
So do you think the rules are wrong JWH?

Personal abuse of a fellow forumite is either permissable or it isn't.  Or do you feel a need to quantify it?  A little being acceptable but a lot not perhaps?
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« 2016-Jun-30, 08:53 PM Reply #34 »
The trick is boys to debate the issue and not the personal worth of the poster. 

Believe me, I try really, really hard on this one. Mods, feel free to pull me up if I ever overstep, I go out of my way to try and not to.

A couple of points:

It's hard to "debate" any issue with Peter as his modus operandi is to simply drop bombs and run. There is no holding to account. There is no debate. There is no exchange.

Please be sure to pull Peter up on his many instances of playing the man, if others are getting the same treatment. His bolded by-line/header earlier in this thread Critics lacking credibility decries anybody that does not share his view (is a critic) and lacks credibility. Another brush-off of his to those with differing views is to label them as 'industry insiders'. Subtle jabs like "not-so-wiley" is playing the man, I would've thought.

Finally, Harmers Haven is a tiny little spot on the map between Phillip Island and Wonthaggi. I have no idea who/what 'Hammers' is.   :lol:


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« 2016-Jun-30, 09:00 PM Reply #35 »
A regrettable typo that is now repaired sir.

The solution for you, as you appear to be reviled by Peter Mair, is to put him on Ignore.  Very easy to do.  Far better than put personal scorn on the man.  No forumite is bound to debate anything are they?  Mair puts his opinion and leave it there.  He probably can't give a hoot if people agree.  If it irks one too gravely you could always petition for his removal.

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« 2016-Jun-30, 09:01 PM Reply #36 »
So do you think the rules are wrong JWH?

Personal abuse of a fellow forumite is either permissable or it isn't.  Or do you feel a need to quantify it?  A little being acceptable but a lot not perhaps?

I didn't see the so-called "abuse". My guess is that it wasn't so foul that it warranted deletion.


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« 2016-Jun-30, 09:02 PM Reply #37 »
Relevance? 

It may be me, it may not.  Are we promoting a culture where reporting of personal abuse, which is against the rules of the Forum, is frowned upon????????  Despite what MagiC has been urging in recent times.

Relevance???

Glad to see you finally decide to report abuse after years if clearly sitting on your hands
As to calling someone a disingenuous ..., given the context it was not abuse.

If i am to accept your flawed intervention , magics actions were totally out of line considering what he has ignored. Both reported and not :bulb: :bulb:
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« 2016-Jun-30, 09:03 PM Reply #38 »
I didn't see the so-called "abuse". My guess is that it wasn't so foul that it warranted deletion.

You guess correctly

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« 2016-Jun-30, 09:51 PM Reply #39 »
So Wily calling a fellow forumite with an insulting and vulgar retort, just because said person aggrieves you is OK by your standards, despite the rules on this forum.  Yes or no?

And you show sufficient disrespect to ALL in here to repeat the term you originally used AND was which was deleted by MagiC, who is the senior Moderator.  That's two invalid indiscretions in the one post.  I think the term for that is anarchy.  Are you proud of that???  Do others support this behavior??

It alarms me, that is for sure.  It serves no purpose Wily.

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« 2016-Jun-30, 10:03 PM Reply #40 »
In common English usage the word is intended to be derogatory or plain insulting.  It is actually vulgar slang for the human vulva,  The British use it to mean obnoxious or stupid.  To use it to describe a forumite can have no other purpose but to be personally insulting and  abusive.   So your intention was clear, and your actions are against the rules of this forum.  It degrades all of us.

And to put Peter Mair on ignore was an easy option.


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« 2016-Jul-01, 07:58 AM Reply #41 »
Look guys,
The rules are and have always been, play the ball not the man.

Are we all that horrible of people that we can not treat others with respect, even with differing views ?
Wily, you are not immune to reporting people that abuse you, so why can't we all try a little self moderation.

Where are we heading as a society if we can not take the high ground and or be tolerant and respectful of others ?

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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:02 AM Reply #42 »
Look guys,
The rules are and have always been, play the ball not the man.


Well, they have never been enforced  :shrug:

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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:06 AM Reply #43 »

Wily, you are not immune to reporting people that abuse you, so why can't we all try a little self moderation.


Umm, that would be only one person in my memory and his behavior is condoned and sadly it appears, encouraged by you.


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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:09 AM Reply #44 »
So Wily calling a fellow forumite with an insulting and vulgar retort, just because said person aggrieves you is OK by your standards, despite the rules on this forum.  Yes or no?

And you show sufficient disrespect to ALL in here to repeat the term you originally used AND was which was deleted by MagiC, who is the senior Moderator.  That's two invalid indiscretions in the one post.  I think the term for that is anarchy.  Are you proud of that???  Do others support this behavior??

It alarms me, that is for sure.  It serves no purpose Wily.



So, in that state of alarm you've jumped in and asked for action when I've been personally abused.?
We both know the answer to that is no

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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:32 AM Reply #45 »
Wily, I understand your point, but this sort of stuff just has to stop.  The Forum is losing active members mainly because of the present culture here.  Maybe people have been too tolerant for too long.  The rules have always been there.  When you join here you agree to abide by the rules.  Maybe it IS time to get serious about it and everyone behaves.  People easily forget that this IS a public place.  Our behaviours do get judged by those viewing.

Doing what has always been done is no justification going forward.  Your argument is akin to being pulled over for speeding and crying foul because you have always driven faster than the limit.  If you want rules that can be bent go to another Forum.

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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:35 AM Reply #46 »
Umm, that would be only one person in my memory and his behavior is condoned and sadly it appears, encouraged by you.

Stop right there Wily,

You were asked to put him on ignore, but you keep taking him off ignore, you insult him just as much as you are insulted, you can not have it both ways when it suits.

Like I tell my children, it takes two to argue, put FZ on ignore and his insults will stop.

You stop insulting him, and if and when he insults you we will deal with it.

I am so fed up of this whole, my view is so much more important than somebody elses view and if they don't agree with me, then I am just going to call them names.

Before posting insults, if you have a problem with something somebody has posted (except with FZ you either stop insulting him, or be happy with being insulted back, mods are sick of dealing with it to be honest), report it.

I don't get why people think it is OK, to get personal and insulting when on a forum ?

Is this how you speak to your wives and mothers ?

People don't want to see this insulting rubbish, they want to see good honest robust debating.

We are all susceptible to it, but we need to use more restraint and think about what we are typing.

When insulting and attacking another member, it is not only an attack on them, but also an attack on me and on the forum.

I am the one who has to put up with the aftermath, I am the one who has to try and clean up the mess, I am the one that has to mediate a truce, I am the one that in the end is blamed for allowing such things to occur.

So Next time anybody decides to insult and or attack somebody, if you don't care how it affects them, at least take the time to think, how will this affect MagiC.

I have a life outside of this forum and it is not fair on me to be attacked, whether directly and or indirectly.

Everybody is human being, everybody has feelings, these insults and trolling behavior do have an effect, way beyond the intended purpose.

Would love everybody to have a good hard think about how people, even me, can be affected by the crossfire of these stupid spats.

I really don't need the grief  :stop:

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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:43 AM Reply #47 »
Ive got absolutely every right to partake in any thread on this forum. Your mate doesnt contribute, anything outside of the soap box.
I go there, as I like to discuss politics with others like Bubba etc,  but still I get abused by your mate. You do nothing about it. :bulb:
Of course I return serve. Bullies and keyboard heroes like him deserve to be stood up to. Are you seriously saying his conduct is ok?

The solution, magic, is not for me to be constantly attacked, even when I do ignore it.
The solution is, for you, to stop the abuse coming to me :bulb:
That you quickly jum,p in an delete my post to Peter whilst ignoring the other crap which I have complained about to you for a decade, says way too much about the whole situation

Ascot is right Your joints a ghost town now as you've condoned the grubby behaviour, from all participants


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« 2016-Jul-01, 08:48 AM Reply #48 »
Are you serious Wily ?

How many times have I forced you two onto ignore, but you take yourself off ? correct ?

When I had enforced that, the insults between him and you stopped, so do not play the martyr here, you choose to insult and be insulted, else you would have left him on ignore.

I don't condone his and or you behavior, just got sick of the constant carry on and choose to ignore it because you keep removing the procedures I put in place to fix it.

If you have a problem with him, I will deal with it, but if you take him off ignore again, you will both be place on the moderation watched list, were you posts will have to be approved.

You don't give an "f" about how these childish games are affecting my health and or my family life, if you did, you would have never taken FZ off ignore.

 emthdown
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« 2016-Jul-01, 11:52 AM Reply #49 »
Even when i responded to other people. When he was on ignore. He would still abuse me. I was being told what he was saying
You allow it to continue as you clearly support it
Thats sad

How about  i constantly abuse you and ask you to ignore it :bulb:
See how you go with that

Instead of deleting my post about Peter how about you just put me on ignore. Then you wont see it.
Ascot can do the same.

 that's what you suggest i do. Now you do it and see if it works
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