Author Topic: RVL Silencing the critics (Read 12118 times)

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-11, 06:37 PM **Reply #75** »

Nothing wrong with Melbourne racing at Flemington

The First4 dividends in the three 'straight' races were 13,000, 37,000 and 10,000 -- nothing wrong with that.

Among the 'no problems' is the uneven track -- big fields -- one lane -- unfair racing.

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-12, 07:29 AM **Reply #76** »

Holding back the things that should be said

“I’m not going to say anything I’ll go broke but I hope something comes of it. Or everyone sit around and watch and be happy with what we have” MICHELLE PAYNE posted this on Twitter on Saturday. It comes after she was fined $1500 by Victorian stewards for her social media criticism of Flemington track manager Mick Goodie last week.

The next question is whether the r.c review program this morning will have any explanation for the rough results in the three 'straight ' races yesterday.

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-12, 10:59 AM **Reply #77** »

Fast lane -- slow learners

Apparently, the key to 'social media' is to always hold the governing body responsible -- RVL -- and not to mention the names of anyone, including Chauncey Gardenier, who is just being there as the gardener.

The biased -- one lane -- track at Flemington yesterday was the talk of the morning on the R.C race review.

As well David Hayes said a few words -- Hayes: Flemington track 'a nightmare'

Michelle Payne should get her money back -- with a sling for being ahead of the pack.

............ and in another blinding flash of common sense one of the stewards seemed to agree:

Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey said from his viewpoint, there was a bias. "There's probably no doubt that the inside seemed the place to be," Bailey said. "No doubt the [Victoria Racing] Club will review it and there'll be discussions with [Chauncey] during the week, but I suspect there'll be disappointment with the way it raced. "As far as jockeys are concerned, they ride to wherever they think the superior section is.

One day this insight will extend to the idea that there are too many horses trying get in the fast lane -- and the corollary -- that there should be fewer.

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-03-12/hayes-flemington-track-a-nightmare

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-12, 11:27 AM **Reply #78** »

........ jockeys and connections should also protest

Unfair racing is unfair to all involved -- jockeys, owners, trainers and punters -- the horses that nominally win has a tainted record and the horses that don't are left pleading for a better record.

I do not know why the stewards and appeal boards are not protesting the money-grubbing driving overcrowded fields -- especially on tight and 'fast lane' tracks.

....... a new board at RVL may be the focal point for complaints ----------as for the current lot .....

Damien Oliver was suspended again yesterday for 'trying to get into the fast lane' -- and, for getting out of the slow lane on Flying Artie , copping 20 weeks for careless last year.

Jockeys are riding to win in entrapment circumstances inviting offences for which the stewards should take responsibility -- stand a steward down for letting unfair races be run!

Oliver ............... pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding aboard Exospheric when finishing third in the Group I Australian Cup (2000m). Oliver allowed Exospheric to shift in when being ridden along near the 150m when insufficiently clear of Tally, causing that horse to be severely checked. Stewards deemed the interference in the mid-range and suspended Oliver for 12 meetings, to commence at midnight on March 13 and expire at midnight on March 23.

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-12, 08:35 PM **Reply #79** »

The points made are substantial -- and it is worrying that no-one, on the forum, has agreed.

napes · « 2017-Mar-12, 08:50 PM **Reply #80** »

I am sure everybody does agree the track was biased. They are also so sick of the dribble you post they have all got you on ignore!

There was a fast lane but it was there for every horse to use.

nemisis · « 2017-Mar-12, 09:40 PM **Reply #81** »

Quote from: Peter Mair on 2017-Mar-12, 08:35 PM

The points made are substantial -- and it is worrying that no-one, on the forum, has agreed.

I'm sure most people think the Flemington track is a disgrace, Peter.

I thought last week was as bad but there did seem to be some trainers and "form experts" who wanted to tell us differently.

Four favourites in the quaddie legs last week could have supported their case.

Getting angry and not betting are about the choices, problem is a lot of punters had been waiting for Humidor to get to Flemington.

Wonder how the turnover went?

nemisis · « 2017-Mar-12, 10:04 PM **Reply #82** »

For many years Flemington was" the track"

Caulfield and Moonee Valley suited the on pacers but Flemington would give everyone their chance.
Those days sadly have long gone.

To explain satisfactorily to a non racing person why 15 horses are trying to fit into a couple of metres, would surely be some task.

dean · « 2017-Mar-12, 10:29 PM **Reply #83** »

Nemisis, to me as a punter the best track has to be Sandown. Flemington has some poor starting positions , as well as that silly straight course and of course Michelle's Ivory Tower ; Mr Goodie. Moonee Valley reminds me of the old Albion Park race course without the sand. I must admit that I have always liked Caulfield. There is nothing quite like the start of a Caulfield Cup with 18 runners jockeying for positions as they go out of the straight. Silly me the donkeys who run the Melbourne Racing Club are trying to put a line through that so they can get every second rater from around the world carrying the same weight. They also want to close down Sandown. There was a time when our racing was the envy of punters around the World. It is obviously the vision of the MRC and the VRC to put a stop to that.

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-15, 07:37 AM **Reply #84** »

Give Michelle Payne her money back

Track manager Mick Goodie admits he erred in his track preparation for Super Saturday at Flemington

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-15, 07:29 PM **Reply #85** »

RVL -- there are 'slow learners' and 'no learners'

On Saturday there are four 'dire strait' races with fields of 10 to 14 -- including one in the main quadrella set.

Why would this be permitted after two weeks of unfair nonsense -- do the stewards not have a responsibility to ensure fair racing?

The 'longer' races include 3 with fields of 13 to 16 starters -- again too-many for fair racing on a one-lane track.

When is the promised new RVL board to be appointed -- or is this just letting the current lot explain why they are redundant?

Where is any sense of responsibility for giving the punters a fair go -- anywhere -- especially when the RNSW magicians persist with running its major carnivals in a guaranteed rainy-season that make the running of races at Rosehill unlikely. Talk about horse-ships.

Peter Mair · « 2017-Mar-19, 08:51 AM **Reply #86** »

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« 2017-Mar-15, 07:29 PM Reply #86 »

RVL -- there are 'slow learners' and 'no learners'

On Saturday there are four 'dire strait' races with fields of 10 to 14 -- including one in the main quadrella set.

On Saturday 3 of these 4 races paid F4 dividends across NSW and VIC -- of some 16,000, 4,500 and 5,500.

Talk about dire straits -- these sprint races should be abandoned until the Flemington straight is fixed.

Arsenal · « 2018-Jul-06, 08:19 PM **Reply #87** »

https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/michelle-payne-fined-over-controversial-comments/459148

She apologised but copped a $500 fine no freedom of speech permitted........ from memory this is her second criticism of tracks last one was when Mick Goodie was track manager at Flemington.

Payne regrets unfair comment
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy 4 July, 2018
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Melbourne Cup-winning rider Michelle Payne has stepped back from her criticism of the Sandown Hillside surface on Wednesday, claiming on social media it was unfair of her to make comment.

Earlier on her Twitter account, Payne, who admitted she was not on course, voiced her disapproval of the Good 3 rating for the track.

After considering my comments made today I realise it is unfair of me to be critical of the track when I was not participating. — Michelle Payne (@mj_payne) July 4, 2018
How are we racing on Good 3’s. Had two runners in June both on good 3’s. Track was not up to standard. Who’s accountable for this? — Michelle Payne (@mj_payne) July 4, 2018
Track looks like it’s been rolled or something, has no natural bounce. It’s cruel to be racing horses on a surface like that. — Michelle Payne (@mj_payne) July 4, 2018
In March last year, Racing Victoria stewards fined Payne $1500 for her twitter comments concerning the Flemington track, Payne having called for the then track manager Mick Goodie to stand down.

After his win aboard two-year-old Ben Hercules on Wednesday, leading rider Craig Williams said he felt the track was racing like a Good 4 as the horses were able to 'get their toe in'.

Peter Ellis is possibly the most experienced track walker of them all - he was headhunted to work for Darren Weir - and he said he found no problem with the surface on Wednesday.

"The track is a genuine Good 3 with a bit of give which, while unusual at this time of year, is definitely not rock hard," Ellis said.

"I've walked the track three or four times today and it's definitely safe for racing."

Giddy Up

PoisonPen7 · « 2018-Jul-07, 12:03 AM **Reply #88** »

How are we racing on Good 3’s. Had two runners in June both on good 3’s. Track was not up to standard. Who’s accountable for this?

God would be the one accountable for this Michelle.