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« 2020-Jun-07, 12:55 PM Reply #300 »
Not sure what the conditions are of the "Drought Breaker Maiden" Race 2 but there are some horses in there that have been maidens for a loooong time.

Chief among them is #9 Costano Mille an 8yo mare who is having her 110th start today. 13 placings and of course zero wins.

Amazingly it is in the market at $14.

Interesting race.

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« 2020-Jun-07, 01:23 PM Reply #301 »
It is Swan Hill Cup day today.

Race 8 - 4:00PM bet365 Swan Hill Cup (1600 METRES)

Of $112,500.1st $61,875, 2nd $20,250, 3rd $10,125, 4th $5,625, 5th $3,375, 6th $2,250, 7th $2,250, 8th $2,250, 9th $2,250, 10th $2,250
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I cannot post the field because Racing Australia have this annoying habit of taking the form down as soon as the races start i.e. you cannot use Racing Australia for form during race day. What is the point of having the web site  :mad:

The two favourites are #1 Achenar Star and #5 Heptagon who cover most of the market ($2.90 and $2.10 resp.) and it is pretty to hard to argue with the bookies choice going on their city form.

Looking for something rough for exotics I thought #8 Beauna Veloz 3rd run back might be up to this.

#12 Skilled Assassin will be fitter and is 4:2-1 at the track and distance.

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« 2020-Oct-11, 10:03 AM Reply #302 »
One of the big non-metro Cups on today - even if Cranbourne is only 43ks from Melbourne CBD I still call it country   :lol:

Race 8 - 4:50PM TAB Cranbourne Cup (2025 METRES)

Of $400,000.1st $240,000, 2nd $72,000, 3rd $36,000, 4th $18,000, 5th $10,000, 6th $8,000, 7th $8,000, 8th $8,000
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No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 3x9070x3x5 TRAP FOR FOOLS Lindsey Smith Declan Bates 15 62kg 106
2 15x3010x50 DR DRILL (GB) Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Craig Williams 1 60kg 102
3 35x5021x00 FURRION (GB) Tom Dabernig & Ben Hayes John Allen 13 59kg 100
4 2122107x40 INVERLOCH (IRE) Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young Michael Dee 5 59kg 100
5 48x8100x69 KENTUCKY BREEZE Levi Kavanagh Luke Currie 19 58kg 98
6 570x314282 PLEIN CIEL (GER) Danny O'Brien Billy Egan 4 58kg 98
7 0x507x0636 ARISTIA Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra Damian Lane 11 57.5kg 101
8 04x356x805 PRINCESS JENNI (NZ) David Brideoake Craig Newitt 3 57.5kg 101
9 331121x37 NONCONFORMIST Grahame Begg Jordan Childs 8 56.5kg 95
10 142635x724 ODEON (NZ) Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra Jamie Kah 17 56.5kg 95
11 x651121x82 SHOT OF IRISH Richard Laming Jamie Mott 7 56kg 94
12 652x025245 POLLY GREY (NZ) Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 12 56kg 93
13 211x1253x6 FUTURE SCORE (IRE) Matt Cumani Fred W Kersley 10 56kg 91
14 501211x373 EXASPERATE Matthew Brown Brian Higgins 2 56kg 90
15 3x07521342 TAVIRUN (NZ) Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young Damien Oliver 16 56kg 88
16e x887256x08 MIDTERM (GB) Michael & Luke Cerchi William Pike 9 56kg 88
17e 5x2110x380 NAIVASHA Danny O'Brien Jye McNeil 6 56kg 82
18e 1311x135 DONíT DOUBT DORY Julien Welsh Patrick Moloney 18 56kg 77
19e 7x996x3352 IRISH FLAME (NZ) Brett Scott Michael Walker 14 56kg 77

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« 2020-Oct-11, 10:12 AM Reply #303 »
#2 Dr Drill selected but too short for me.

Will have a couple of dollars each way on #17 Naivasha in the hope that she can capture her best form of about a year ago under the new stable.


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« 2020-Oct-11, 10:25 AM Reply #304 »
Dr Drill won the listed Scone Cup over 1600m 3rd run back last time. 3rd run back today as well.

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« 2020-Oct-14, 09:47 AM Reply #305 »
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/well-backed-winner-disqualified---michael-walker-weighs-in-light-20200830.
 
The lead bag must have dropped between the handover from jockey to whoever saddled the horse up...very strange that it went unnoticed. :whistle:

A couple of the Corporates did the right thing by punters and refunded their bets after the winner weighed in light 1kg it won by lengths the stewards had no option apparently but to DQ it.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2020-Oct-19, 05:44 PM Reply #306 »
Race 7 - 4:00PM bet365 Geelong Cup (2400 METRES)

Of $400,000.1st $240,000, 2nd $72,000, 3rd $36,000, 4th $18,000, 5th $10,000, 6th $8,000, 7th $8,000, 8th $8,000
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Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Soft 5


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 15138x5138 SAN HUBERTO (IRE) Matt Cumani Damien Oliver 1 59kg 106
2 11853x5x22 ASHRUN (FR) Andreas Wohler Craig Williams 10 58.5kg 105
3 49x211x2x0 KING OF LEOGRANCE (FR) Danny O'Brien Damian Lane 3 58kg 104
4 1x410x4431 LE DON DE VIE (GB) Anthony & Sam Freedman Ben Melham 8 58kg 104
5 111x4514 SKYWARD (FR) Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young William Pike 6 58kg 104
6 x3103x0925 SHARED AMBITION (IRE) Chris Waller John Allen 5 57.5kg 103
7 1x4679x033 STEEL PRINCE (IRE) Anthony & Sam Freedman Jye McNeil 9 57.5kg 103
8 321023x693 PLATINUM INVADOR (NZ) Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 11 57kg 102
9 05x532x522 SOUND (GER) Michael Moroney Mark Zahra 7 57kg 102
10 218x016116 CREEDENCE Matt Cumani Michael Poy (a) 2 55kg 98
11 x3113x6511 ENTENTE Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Brett Prebble 4 55kg 95

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« 2021-Jan-26, 08:44 AM Reply #307 »
They have moved today's Hanging Rock Cup to Kyneton - hopefully for this year only.  A friend who lives near there said that should mean no drunks wandering the streets of Woodend tonight.

Cheers

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« 2021-Feb-07, 10:59 AM Reply #308 »
I notice today that Bryce Stanaway has a number of runners in at Ararat including the 9 year old mare Constano Mille having her 124th start attempting to crack it's maiden  :shy: :o

I know he seems to have a lot of horses none of which seem much good (Crafty Cruiser the outlier) and there's always a bit of a smirk of derision when his name is mentioned but does anyone know more of the story? Outside of complaining about the sandwiches  :/

Is there money behind him, can he just not train? Or are they just all slow? Does he do it for the love of it?

Many of us have paid the bills to have one trained so we've all got a rough idea of what it costs so I'm stumped as to how the operation would pay for itself  :shrug:

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« 2021-Feb-07, 12:25 PM Reply #309 »
I notice today that Bryce Stanaway has a number of runners in at Ararat including the 9 year old mare Constano Mille having her 124th start attempting to crack it's maiden  :shy: :o

I know he seems to have a lot of horses none of which seem much good (Crafty Cruiser the outlier) and there's always a bit of a smirk of derision when his name is mentioned but does anyone know more of the story? Outside of complaining about the sandwiches  :/

Is there money behind him, can he just not train? Or are they just all slow? Does he do it for the love of it?

Many of us have paid the bills to have one trained so we've all got a rough idea of what it costs so I'm stumped as to how the operation would pay for itself  :shrug:
I'm prepared to defend Bryce, Gintara.

Take a look at the condition of his two(correction 4) horses at Ararat.....tell me what you see.
Right race, right conditions.....I'll back his horses.
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« 2021-Feb-07, 07:39 PM Reply #310 »
Poor old Bryce hasnít got much going on in his world, so why not cash in on an industry that is prepared to pay down the line for ineptitude. Why wouldnt you truck your fast ones across the state and suck on racingís teat along the way?. Stable flags bearers like Constant Mille & Ventura Highway have 237 starts between them for a paltry 3wins but have amassed earnings of $255,000.
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« 2021-Feb-08, 10:31 AM Reply #311 »
Bryce is an easy target but is the wrong one.
He's displayed his character plenty of times on Racing.com.

Go and tell someone stuck in a 3 hr commute everyday or someone who has to say "yes sir" to a person they don't respect about Bryce's lifestyle.
Bryce could be living his dream on his farm with his horses at Torquay.....well and truly paid for by Elwood and others.

His ex-Godolphin, ex-Gold Coast, long priced placegetter earned him a couple of grand yesterday.
Would have cost a lot of money to bring that son of Medaglia d'Oro into the world.
Wouldn't like his prospects if Bryce hadn't come along.

Bryce proved with Crafty Cruiser that he is capable of doing something that seems to be beyond the "top" trainers......keeping a horse up.
Crafty Cruiser sat on a rating mid to high 80's for 4 years or so...slowly father time caught up with him.
That's the way it should be!

Maybe Lloyd Williams could have got some advice from Bryce.....what a sad tale it was for most of his expensive imports :tears:

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« 2021-Feb-08, 04:38 PM Reply #312 »
My point was I didn't really understand how it all worked.

Of the 15 horses listed, most are in his name solely or with only 1 or 2 others. The one with the most owners is old Crafty Cruiser who also earnt the most $$$

15 horses that are mainly yours wouldn't be a cheap exercise and it's not like the prizemoney is flowing in  :shrug:

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« 2021-Feb-08, 07:21 PM Reply #313 »
I think "how it all works?" would be Bryce's business.
Probably struggling a bit now and hoping for another 'good one'.
He has to comply with all of the welfare rules as any other licensed person.
I never seen an issue with the way his horses are presented.

Bryce trains his horses on his farm.....unorthodox guy with unorthodox methods.
Like a lot of NZ racing folk he would have grown up watching racehorses being trained on farms.....a la Kiwi.
Deserves credit for keeping his horse going and certainly wouldn't be using Lasix for "longevity and whatever other benefits it has for horses according to C Waller.

Bryce's daughter has a twitter page ......plenty of pics of his horses at the farm.
Looks a nice place for a thoroughbred ......may even be a bit of a clue to your question there. :shrug:

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« 2021-Feb-10, 09:12 AM Reply #314 »
Not sure what the conditions are of the "Drought Breaker Maiden" Race 2 but there are some horses in there that have been maidens for a loooong time.

Chief among them is #9 Costano Mille an 8yo mare who is having her 110th start today. 13 placings and of course zero wins.

Amazingly it is in the market at $14.

Interesting race.

I noticed this post from PP before.

Seems she was scratched last week due to lameness and looks to have now been retired to the oldies paddock after 124 starts   emthup

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« 2022-Jan-25, 02:11 PM Reply #315 »
Jordan Childs is a very good rider, but absolutely brilliant on leaders. Another top ride on Oregonís Rose in the 4th at Kilmore today. He had them struggling a long way out. 👍

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« 2022-Mar-10, 04:11 PM Reply #316 »
Fantastic effort from Warren Huntley at Kilmore today Ö 8 out of 8 and tipped the card  :clap2: :clap2: :no1:

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« 2022-Mar-10, 04:18 PM Reply #317 »
Never been much of a fan of Warren....but excellent tipping today...congrats!
It wasn't just winners....tri's and F4s.

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Good 3
Rail
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Warren Huntly

Top Selections
Best Bet (Race 1) - 7. Liming
Her last start form looks strong through My Whisper. Should roll forward and prove hard to run down
Best Value (Race 3) - 8. Irascible Miss
Has jumped out impressively to resume and looks over the odds in early markets

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Quaddie Selections
Leg 1 (Race 5) - 1/2/3/4
Leg 2 (Race 6) - 1/3/4
Leg 3 (Race 7) - 2/5/7/8/10
Leg 4 (Race 8) - 1/2
1
bet365 Top Tote Plus Maiden Plate
1:30pm 1450m
Speedmap
Results

7. Liming (8)
BEST BET
T: M.J.Ellerton
J: L.Riordan

3. Ideal Miss (14)
T: N.A.Blackiston
J: A.K.Kelly

5. Reckless Moon (12)
T: M.Freedman
J: T.J.Hope

1. Ready Set Com (4)
T: P.J.Stokes
J: Z.Spain
Overview: The form through Liming's last run was enhanced at Sandown yesterday. She is likely to roll forward and prove hard o beat. Ideal Miss will need some luck from the draw but has the talent to figure. Reckless Moon is consistent and has been freshened by the new stable. Ready Set Com looks suited at this trip on debut
Suggested Bet: Liming (Win)
2
MC Labour Maiden Plate
2:00pm 1600m
Speedmap
Results

11. Come On Eileen (14)
T: M.S.S.Cumani
J: J.Childs

3. King Of Memphis (4)
T: A.K.MacPherson
J: L.Riordan

9. Sonofthebeast (6)
T: T.Busuttin & N.Young
J: C.Newitt

13. Botched (13)
T: L.M.Kennewell
J: Z.Spain
Overview: Come On Eileen looks hard to beat but will need some luck from the wide draw. King Of Memphis went for home early last start and held on well. Sonofthebeast may be suited dropping back in trip. Botched worked home ok on debut and will appreciate the rise in trip
3
bet365 Odds Drift Protector Maiden Plate
2:30pm 1200m
Speedmap
Results

8. Irascible Miss (2)
BEST VALUE
T: G.A.Osborne
J: A.K.Kelly

2. Bonario (9)
T: A.O.Diggins
J: J.Gibbons

3. Chart Buster (8)
T: B & JD.Hayes
J: L.Nolen

7. Kia Hohe (1)
T: B.J.Goodwin
J: L.King
Overview: Irascible Miss has jumped out well to resume. Bonario looks suited out to 1200m. Chart Buster weakened late hen well backed first up and will strip fitter. Kia Hohe has been jumping out quite well to resume
Suggested Bet: Irascible Miss (Win)
4
C&M Build Group Three-Years-Old Maiden Plate
3:00pm 1200m
Speedmap
Results

1. Air Blue (6)
T: T.Busuttin & N.Young
J: C.Newitt

6. Andalusia (9)
T: J.A.Cummings
J: F.W.Kersley

4. Sheer Class (7)
T: B & JD.Hayes
J: L.Nolen

2. Ice Burj (1)
T: M.D.Moroney
J: Z.Spain
Overview: Air Blue will strip fitter and give another good sight on speed. Andalusia recorded some good late splits first up and will be strong late again from the wide draw. Sheer Class has been jumping out nicely for his debut. Ice Burj and Clymene have claims
5
Hanson Cleaning Services Fillies and Mares BM58 Handicap
3:30pm 1200m
Speedmap
Results

2. Adki (7)
T: M & L.Cerchi
J: Z.Spain

1. Fatale Bliss (3)
T: A.R.Bobbin
J: H.I.Le Blanc

4. Fi Style (4)
T: H.E.White
J: Dean.Holland

3. Carrier Buster (2)
T: R.Griffiths & M.de.Kock
J: L.King
Overview: Adki will be close to peak fitness and should give a great sight. Fatale Bliss broke her maiden quite well last start looks the other key hope on speed. Fi Style and Carrier Buster will be chasing hard late
6
MC Security BM58 Handicap
4:00pm 1100m
Speedmap
Results

4. Maldestro (4)
T: AW.Keenan
J: K.Quilty

3. Carlingford (2)
T: M.J.Sell
J: H.I.Le Blanc

1. Rolling Moss (8)
T: S.W.Mathrick
J: B.McDougall

10. Red Jewels (6)
T: G.M.Johnstone
J: J.Fry
Overview: Maldestro can sustain a strong gallop on speed and looks hard to beat again. Carlingford is capable of running well first up but haven't seen a recent trial or jumpout. Rolling Moss will roll forward but has plenty of weight after many claiming away from him
7
bet365 Racing Refunds BM58 Handicap
4:30pm 1450m
Speedmap
Form

7. Glitter 'N' Gold (7)
T: D.T.O'Brien
J: L.Riordan
$7.00
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8. Rathkeale (2)
T: L.J.McGill
J: W.Gordon
$6.00
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10. Danali (4)
T: S.Naylor
J: D.Bates
$4.20
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2. Dunvegan (8)
T: DJ.O'Prey
J: S.Miller
$17.00
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Overview: Glitter 'n' Gold was solid back near the inside first up and drops in grade. Rathkeale is hard fir and was ok in stronger company last start. Danali should get a good run from the draw. Dunvegan and Quick Enuff have some claims but will need luck from their draws
8
MC Traffic Class 2 Handicap
5:00pm 1600m
Speedmap
Form

1. Oceanography (7)
T: C.Maher & D.Eustace
J: Z.Spain
$2.80
BET NOW

2. Fine Weather (9)
T: M.Freedman
J: J.Fry
$3.50
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7. Rosenstrasse (8)
T: J.F.Moloney
J: T.J.Hope
$5.50
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8. Elas Jet (5)
T: B.E.Maher
J: L.King
$19.00
BET NOW
Overview: Oceanography improved nicely second up. He should roll forward and prove hard to get past. Fine Weather will probably settle back in the field but should be strong late. Rosenstrasse, Elas Jet and Breasley have some claims
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« 2022-Mar-13, 12:29 PM Reply #318 »
Just watching the Stony Creek racing today - they had watering issues at a recent meeting that had to be abandoned because of a wet patch in the straight. The club can have watering problems and, to me, it looks like they have not got enough water onto the track today. I reckon it'll be like a brick road later today and there'll be horses that don't handle it. The pre-post favourite in the second didn't seem to want to stretch out and finished a mile back.

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« 2022-Apr-27, 05:04 PM Reply #319 »
Sale is certainly a horses for courses track.

Pharrell, an 11yr old by King's Chapel has a track and distance record now of 8 starts for 4 wins and 2 placings ...started $30.
Runner up Schwiensteiger  is Trk/Dist 3 starts 1-2.

Ripplebrook the winner of the last race  has a Trk/Dist record of 4 starts for 2-2......was $8.5 for most of the day.
Lovely big consistent galloper Ripplebrook......1st win back from his tendon injury.....would have enjoyed the softish surface today.
Well done to all involved.

 

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« 2022-May-02, 08:47 AM Reply #320 »
Racing today in Victoria is at "Spendthrift Australia Park".

I know the country clubs appreciate the sponsorship dollars but until I looked it up I had no idea this is what they used to call Werribee racetrack.

How difficult would it be to fit the town name into the sponsored racetrack name?

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« 2022-May-02, 09:51 AM Reply #321 »
You raise a good point PP.

Itís like Morphetville & sandown. You never know what track theyíre racing on

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« 2022-May-02, 01:17 PM Reply #322 »
Disagree wily. Always quoted as Morphetville Parks if on the inside track, likewise Sandown (or the sponsor's nams Ladbrokes I think) Hillside for main and Lakeside for inner.

Totally agree with PP as far as removing the town's name

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« 2022-May-02, 03:20 PM Reply #323 »
Sobig neither TAB or Racenet, from what I saw, told me what tracks Morphetville   raced on Saturday. The fact they raced on both made it even worse

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« 2022-May-02, 03:53 PM Reply #324 »
I was looking at a best bets and they specifically mentioned the parks track for the few races which wee run there.  There are not many days where both tracks are used so maybe some sites did not shoe when a different track was used.


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