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« 2017-Jun-11, 05:49 PM Reply #275 »
In the absence of the favourite we'll claim a winner there   :biggrin:

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« 2017-Jun-11, 06:14 PM Reply #276 »
In the absence of the favourite we'll claim a winner there   :biggrin:

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« 2017-Jun-12, 11:02 AM Reply #277 »
Good meeting today. Might throw some darts
R4 whyouask and tres
R7 Virginia waters and all day every day
R8 Roldana and Savvy Dancer
R9 Reticent and Justice Honor
R10 Dane Thunder and Caprese


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« 2017-Jun-22, 12:55 AM Reply #278 »
A flagrant cutdown version of the NSW initiative, but who cares. A wonderful outcome for Victorian country and provincial racing.   emthup

From Racenet$600,000-country-series

VRC announces $600,000 country series

More country gallopers will be on show during the Melbourne Cup carnival after the Victoria Racing Club announced a $600,000 series would culminate with a rich final on Oaks Day.

The VRC has devised the Melbourne Cup Carnival Country Series comprising of eight heats worth $50,000 at provincial tracks across the state before the series concludes with a $200,000 final run at Benchmark 80 level on the third day of the Flemington carnival.

Only Victorian trainers that do not have a metropolitan training base can nominate horses for the series in which horses that finish first and second in each heat will qualify for the final.

Racing Victoria's executive general manager of racing Greg Carpenter commended the VRC for the initiative, which fits RV's investment in country racing via recent prizemoney upgrades.

"This new race series builds upon our previously announced investment in country racing and will be another highlight of this year's Spring Racing Carnival," Carpenter said in a statement.

"The Melbourne Cup Carnival Country Series reinvigorates country racing's link with VRC Oaks Day and will provide Victorian country trainers and their connections with the unique chance to compete in a $200,000 final on one of Victoria's most famous racedays."

Below are the dates and distances of the heats of the 2017 Melbourne Cup Carnival Country Series.

Heat Date Region Location Race
1 Sat 7 Oct Wimmera Mallee Murtoa (Cup Day) $50,000 BM64 Handicap 1600m
2 Thurs 12 Oct Midwest Bellarine Ballarat $50,000 BM64 Handicap 1600m
3 Fri 13 Oct Bay and Ranges Cranbourne (Pinker Pinker Night) $50,000 BM64 Handicap 1400m
4 Sun 22 Oct Goulburn Murray Seymour (Cup Day) $50,000 BM70 Handicap 1400m
5 Wed 25 Oct Midwest Bellarine Geelong (Cup Day) $50,000 BM78 Handicap 1500m
6 Sun 29 Oct Western Otway Hamilton (Cup Day) $50,000 BM70 Handicap 1600m
7 Sun 29 Oct Gippsland Sale (Cup Day) $50,000 BM70 Handicap 1400m
8 Wed 1 Nov Central Bendigo (Cup Day) $50,000 BM78 Handicap 1400m
Final Thu 9 Nov
Flemington $200,000 BM80 Handicap 1600m

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« 2017-Jun-26, 12:01 AM Reply #279 »
Non Metro Meetings comparison 2015 v 2017

Week starting Monday June 22nd 2015

M: Mildura, Wodonga
T: Geelong
W: Sale
Th: Pakenham
F: Pakenham
S: Warrnambool
Su: Bendigo, Moe

Week starting Monday June 25th 2017

M: Echuca
T: Murtoa
W: -
Th: Ballarat
F: Geelong
S: Casterton
Su: Sale

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« 2017-Jun-28, 07:10 AM Reply #280 »
I'm sure I speak on behalf of all the forum in offering our condolences to Bendigo track rider Donna Philpot who lost her life at work yesterday morning.

Very sad. Leaves her husband Gus (trainer) and daughters Jessie and Montana.

Came down from Queensland only in 2014.

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« 2017-Nov-18, 10:59 PM Reply #281 »
Race 7 - 4:50PM Michaels Donald Cup (1620 METRES)

Of $50,000.1st $27,500, 2nd $9,000, 3rd $4,500, 4th $2,500, 5th $1,500, 6th $1,000, 7th $1,000, 8th $1,000, 9th $1,000, 10th $1,000

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 3316x977x6 DOCTOR CARE (NZ) Paul Preusker Ms Holly McKechnie 3 58kg
2 4340x09756 REFULGENT Darren Weir Brad Rawiller 1 58kg
3 166x761331 ANOTHER COLDIE Darren Weir Dean Yendall 7 54kg
4 10x5978244 PATCH ADAMS Terry & Karina O'Sullivan Ms Christine Puls 6 54kg
5 1718012x04 LA FLEURETTE Symon Wilde Ms Nikita Beriman 9 54kg
6 114730x246 KNIGHTOFTHEREALM Sue Jaensch Ms Emily Finnegan (a) 2 54kg
7 x9643800x0 CASTLE HACKETT (NZ) Terry & Karina O'Sullivan Ms Jessica Eaton (a) 4 54kg
8 54kg
5 54kg

Pretty brave person would tip against #3 Another Coldie on the limit weight - the $1.60 up on fixed odds at the moment looks tempting to toss into some all ups. Stablemate Refulgent has drawn well and Weir quinella is on the cards.

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« 2017-Nov-24, 10:19 PM Reply #282 »
Race 8 - 4:40PM Sportsbet Ballarat Cup (2200 METRES)

Of $300,000.1st $180,000, 2nd $54,000, 3rd $27,000, 4th $13,500, 5th $7,500, 6th $6,000, 7th $6,000, 8th $6,000


Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Weight Raised 1kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 1240x54277 ANTONIO GIUSEPPE (NZ) Chris Waller Michael Walker 5 58kg
2 5x246211x0 DE LITTLE ENGINE Danny O'Brien Ben Thompson (a) 10 56kg
3 7614246054 EXTRA ZERO David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Regan Bayliss 4 55.5kg
4 02510x0046 BIG MEMORY (FR) Tony McEvoy Luke Currie 1 55kg
5 076x070342 GREY LION (IRE) Matt Cumani Jordan Childs 3 55kg
6 66214x2703 SECOND BULLET Danny O'Brien Ben Melham 11 54kg
7 110x4x57x1 MR GARCIA (GB) Darren Weir Ben Allen (a) 9 54kg
8 136x668x60 BIG BLUE (GB) James Cummings Stephen Baster 13 54kg
9 96x990x701 SONNTAG Henry Dwyer Jye McNeil 7 54kg
10 x431431x01 ONCIDIUM RULER Michael Kent Beau Mertens (a) 2 54kg
11 x51710x073 GRAND DREAMER Robert Smerdon Patrick Moloney 6 54kg
12 39x8057222 KNOWABLE Steve Richards Dean Yendall 12 54kg
13 2605043313 JIMMIE JIM Charles Quick Ms Nikita Beriman 8 54kg

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« 2017-Nov-24, 10:37 PM Reply #283 »
Amazing that this race only gets Listed status - 2nd year now it has had $300k in prizemoney. Sort of highlights "the elephant in the room" for the pattern committee. In some states a $300,000 race would be Group 2 or possibly Group 1.

If the prizemoney in Victoria and NSW keeps increasing at the current rate there will have to be a time in the future where some tough decisions are made.

Last year this race was won by David Hayes with Pilote Dessai beating Scherzoso and Manageress (not sure what happened with the winner. Looked to be a highly promising stayer - not sighted since the autumn).

I don't think this year's version is as strong.

#5 Grey Lion has a rating well ahead of this field going on his 2nd in the QE and gets in with one above the limit. The $6.00 seems a bit generous. Am I missing something  :what:

#2 De Little Engine is a hard one to assess. Awful 2nd up record (8:0-1-0) but the fact he is getting out to 2200m 2nd up makes you think that maybe he might be a bit more forward in condition than he normally is 2nd up?

The early favourite is #7 Mr Garcia who had a 3/4 length win in a 4&5yo BM90 on Oaks Day with 4 above the limit. Drops to 54 kg here but hardly QE class.

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« 2017-Nov-30, 08:45 AM Reply #284 »

Pretty brave person would tip against #3 Another Coldie on the limit weight - the $1.60 up on fixed odds at the moment looks tempting to toss into some all ups. Stablemate Refulgent has drawn well and Weir quinella is on the cards.

Will stick with #7 Another Coldie today in the Port Fairy Cup even though he drops back from a mile. Looks promising and if he holds his form should be hard to beat from a good draw and only 2 over the limit.

Interesting runner is #1 Howard Be Thy Name. Former Derby winner 2nd run back from a long spell and the first up run at Flemington was a lot better than it reads on paper against a better field than this. Also has a good draw and a saver on him.

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« 2017-Nov-30, 11:45 AM Reply #285 »
I note Sirbible is 2 from 2 at tbe 1400 :chin:

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« 2018-Feb-08, 11:58 AM Reply #286 »
Odds on favourite in the first at Ararat is an unraced McEvoy horse Thineisthekingdom.

Must be Anglicans that own it  :chin:

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« 2018-Mar-12, 08:51 PM Reply #287 »
Darren Weir has a High Chap. 3yo racing against the older horsesin the 6th at Bendigo tomorrow #8 High Energy. Only start number 4.

Was very green last start but still won easy.

Noticed it is nommed for The Derby.

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« 2018-Apr-15, 11:08 AM Reply #288 »
Police investigating Kilmore track incident

Victoria Police confirmed they are investigating an incident where two steel stakes were discovered in the turf at Kilmore racecourse on Thursday, hours out from a scheduled race meeting.

"Police are investigating following an incident at a race track on East Street, Kilmore today," a Victoria Police statement read.

"It’s understood a number of metal spikes were placed on the track.

"No people or animals were injured during the incident.

"Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers 1800 333 000."

Earlier, the Kilmore Racing Club had demanded police involvement after their race meeting was abandoned on Thursday.

During a routine inspection of the track two hours before scheduled racing, Stewards found two steel stakes inserted into the turf course near the 400m mark, approaching the entrance to the home straight.

Consultation with race club officials determined that the steel stakes were not related to any maintenance equipment used on the track and that they had been placed as an attempt to sabotage the meeting.

A thorough inspection of the course took place which didn't find any other objects.

Consultation between Stewards, jockeys engaged to ride at the meeting, and race club officials decided to abandon the meeting to ensure the safety of horses and riders.

Kilmore Racing Club CEO Ben Murphy said that it would become a police matter.

"We're angry," Murphy said on

"We are not angry with the decision that has been made as we completely understand the need to look after the animal and the riders.

"What we are angry and perturbed by is that someone has taken the time to come out and do what they have done to the track, to do what we can only assume is, to create chaos.

"That leaves a really bitter taste in our mouths.

"It is certainly from our perspective a police matter and we will make contact with our local police this afternoon.

"We will work with the stewards with an investigation.

"We take this extremely seriously and we will leave no stone unturned to find out who has taken it upon themselves to do this."

Very strange one.

Normally if animal rights do this sort of thing they claim credit and I don't think even they would go to these extremes.

Someone has it in for the local racing there?

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« 2018-May-01, 11:50 PM Reply #289 »
Race 8 - 3:20PM Midfield Group Wangoom Handicap (1200 METRES)

Of $150,000.1st $90,000, 2nd $27,000, 3rd $13,500, 4th $6,750, 5th $3,750, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000
Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution LISTED
Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Soft 6

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 130x61486x ULMANN Darren Weir John Allen 15 60kg
2 08x6132121 STELLAR COLLISION Darren Weir Brad Rawiller 5 59.5kg
3 368x008x90 DERRYN David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Regan Bayliss 14 58.5kg
4 x2231x1351 HEART OF A LION SCRATCHED Joe Bowditch 2 58.5kg
5 111140x562 BONS AWAY Ciaron Maher Ben Melham 1 57.5kg
6 228211313x MOSS ’N’ DALE (NZ) Peter Gelagotis Anthony Darmanin 3 57kg
7 x84588x844 BASSETT (NZ) Mick Price Daniel Stackhouse 10 56kg
8 6x79x82115 DEMONSTRATE Allan & Jason Williams Craig Williams 4 55.5kg
9 442521118x OZI CHOICE Darren Weir Damian Lane 9 55kg
10 16x80x7556 SARACINO (NZ) Michael Moroney Corey Brown 17 55kg
11 84257490x6 YESTERDAY’S SONGS Michael Moroney Patrick Moloney 13 54.5kg
12 430x031666 TRIED AND TIRED Jarrod McLean Ben Thompson 8 54kg
13 5x114x411 WORKING FROM HOME SCRATCHED Daniel Moor 16 54kg
14 731x327216 HANDSOME THIEF (IRE) Darren Weir Dean Yendall 11 54kg
15 116x120384 MURPHY’S REWARD David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Noel Callow 12 54kg
16 x998450x12 TYPHOON JOLIE John Sadler Ms Linda Meech 18 54kg
17e 730068x478 WRITTEN ERA Aaron Purcell Declan Bates 6 54kg
18e 1212x42164 SABOTAGE (NZ) Symon Wilde Damien Thornton 7 54kg

#1 Ulmann won this race last year easily coming from well back on a Heavy 8 with 56 kg. Has won the Moonga since then so up 4 kg. #2 Stellar Collision was 2nd with 54 kg. He's up 5.5 kg. That seems a bit much to me.

#5 Bons Away was beaten by the smart Hawkes mare Sprightly Lass last start in Listed Grade. All 5 wins have been over this distance. #7 Bassett not far behind in that race. A lot of the horses below the #7 are benchmarkers. Sometimes following the form of a particular race pays off so might do that.

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« 2018-Jun-02, 12:58 AM Reply #290 »
Big Prizemoney increases for Victorian Country racing announced

Greater returns for first-time winners with minimum prize money for standard country maidens raised to $23,000, for premium country maidens to $26,000 and for maidens at midweek metropolitan meetings to $30,000.

Rewarding grass roots participation with minimum prize money for non-TAB meetings up 20% to $12,000 per race; up 25% for country SKY2 meetings to $15,000 per race; and up 11% for Benchmark 58s to $20,000 per race.

A prize money boost for every country cup with an additional $1.2 million to be spread across 67 TAB, non-TAB and picnic cups ensuring they remain a focal point for local communities to celebrate and enjoy,

Country Racing Victoria’s chief executive, Scott Whiteman said: "Country racing plays a crucial role in the success of Victorian racing and it’s important that it remains strong and vibrant to showcase our sport in communities right across the state.

"We’re delighted to announce today that every country cup, from our high-profile cups during the Spring Racing Carnival to our once-a-year picnic cups, will get a prize money increase next season and over the coming weeks we’ll be working with each Club and Racing Victoria to finalise the details of their funding increase.

"Country Racing Victoria has campaigned for increases to minimum prize money at our grass roots level and thus we also welcome the increases that have been announced today for Non-TAB and SKY2 meetings, as well as for Benchmark 58 races. They are important to maintain and hopefully grow participation."

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« 2018-Jun-10, 02:57 AM Reply #291 »
Race 8 - 3:20PM Murray Downs Swan Hill Cup (1600 METRES)

Of $100,000.1st $55,000, 2nd $18,000, 3rd $9,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $3,000, 6th $2,000, 7th $2,000, 8th $2,000, 9th $2,000, 10th $2,000

Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution
Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 35x08x9599 CALDERON (IRE)
2 x31511182x PACODALI (IRE) Darren Weir Brad Rawiller 2 59.5kg
3 x73651116x BONDEIGER Darren Weir Jacob Rule 11 57kg
4 10x0731x78 GRAND DREAMER Darren Weir Jye McNeil 18 56.5kg
5 800x070945 KENJORWOOD Darren Weir Dean Yendall 7 56.5kg
6 0141474x03 OUR BOTTINO Matthew Williams Damien Thornton 10 55kg
7 27x0652144 MAGIC CONSOL
SCRATCHED 8 54.5kg
8 34x1111301 TATOOSH
SCRATCHED 12 54.5kg
9 060157x000 EXCITES ZELADY Chris Bieg Dylan Caboche(a) 15 54kg
10 7788x67858 VICTORY DOWNS Sue Jaensch Cory Parish 14 54kg
11 412235x723 GUIZOT (IRE) Aaron Purcell Jarrod Fry 3 54kg
12 811x260131 VON COSTA GLASS Sue Jaensch Ms Chelsea Hall(a) 6 54kg
13 71937577x6 MORTAR PLATOON (IRE) Matt Cumani Ms Linda Meech 16 54kg
14 21x0x26111 SILENTZ Darren Weir Harry Coffey 17 54kg
15e 255x061763 PENNY TO SELL (NZ) Mick Sell Craig Robertson 4 54kg
16e 7662x82624 LORD TENNYSON
17e 1205607068 EMMOOKI’S DASH
18e 7154801590 FREE WILLY
19e 9x38628641 DON’T GET EXCITED Nathan Hobson Jarrod Fry 19 54kg

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« 2018-Jun-10, 03:07 AM Reply #292 »
Track is listed as a Heavy 10 tonight but the weather is fine.

It is a bit hard to take a serious look at the race under such conditions.

There are 13 runners left and Darren Weir has 5 of 'em.

#14 Silentz is the $2.50 favourite going for four in a row. #13 Mortar Platoon was a nice run behind him last start and the extra distance will suit and should be fitter. He is $26. Both have drawn somewhere out in the Murray River.

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« 2018-Jun-10, 03:26 AM Reply #293 »
#2 Pacodali is an interesting runner. Weir gave it one run every month for the last 4 months of his last campaign which included a win over Melbourne Cup - Tancred Stakes winner Almandin and where it won 3 on the trot.

First up since October and safish in the market.

This is a pretty good race in quality. Apart from him you have the Ballarat Cup winner, the Launceston Cup winner and the amazing Tatoosh who has grown a leg since moving to SA from NSW.

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« 2018-Jun-10, 08:25 AM Reply #294 »
I like them both as well mate. Been on Silentz for his 3wins. He sits back and charges

I didnt see a lot of the races there yesterday so not sure if they able to run on in the bog

Spot on with your thoughts on pacodali

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« 2018-Jul-25, 08:12 AM Reply #295 »
So Wayne Hawkes wants them to close 20 country tracks in Victoria so he has more options when it is windy FFS.

Note the euphemism of "streamline" to hide the fact you would be putting people out of a job.

You'd think someone who is only in the position he is in because of his father would be a bit more grateful for what Victorian racing has delivered to him.

Hawkes: Time to streamline Vic tracks

Flemington trainer Wayne Hawkes has launched a scathing assessment of the current state of Victoria's racing venues, suggesting a streamlined approach could be the way forward.

On a day in which racing at Park was abandoned for a second consecutive Tuesday due to wind making for potentially unsafe conditions, Hawkes didn't hold back regarding his thoughts on the overall make-up of Victorian racing.

Hawkes pointed out that synthetic racing hasn't been a desired avenue for connections this winter, but added that this week's additional Sunday meeting at Bairnsdale wasn't an ideal solution either.

"Bairnsdale [replacement meeting on Sunday] was a good band-aid - it was an extra meeting put on, and congratulations to Racing Victoria for actually going out of their way and doing something outside the guidelines," Hawkes said on After The Last.

"If you're heading towards Sydney from Bairnsdale, you really don't run into anyone until you hit the Sapphire Coast - so you're really only looking for horses from Cranbourne heading there.

"If you're going from somewhere like say Flemington, you would pay your staff a serious amount of money for Sunday double time, float fees would be horrendous ... I've never had a runner at Bairnsdale from Flemington, we had a couple when we were at the old Epsom, and I've never been to Bairnsdale racecourse before.

"The biggest problem is a lot of these meetings ... Mildura's fantastic, but it's six hours away.

"There's no one from our side of town where the majority of Victorian racehorses are, are going to be going to Mildura.

"We need somewhere close and central ... it's very difficult because we don't race at Kilmore, Kyneton, Yarra Glen [Yarra Valley], Mornington, all these places over winter.

"We've got 65 racetracks in Victoria ... if this is not a time to look at every single racetrack, and we need to do some sort of consolidation ... and we can get rid of 20 tracks and only have 40-45, and actually make them super tracks with an inside/outside track, this is where we actually need to scale back to.

"It gets back to the politicians that the local people don't want their race club going.

"We're actually past that stage, we need to be fair dinkum.

"We need less racetracks, and we need them to be better.

"It's about the participants, but the biggest thing in the stewards' room is they're saying 'the punter'.

"As a punter, we want the best surface we can for our horses - simple as that.

"As a bit of salt in the wound for Racing Victoria, the artificial tracks - everyone's given them the complete 'NO' this winter, so in a roundabout way, they're half-stuffed because we don't want to race on the artificial tracks this year.

"And the grass tracks - there was 400-plus nominations Sunday week ago at Geelong. That's crazy."

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« 2018-Jul-25, 08:16 AM Reply #296 »
More gems of wisdom from the wise one......

Jockeys need no pay rise according to Hawkes

Wayne Hawkes says jockeys are already well paid and believes Racing Victoria should focus on moving towards prizemoney parity with NSW instead of finding more money for riders.

Victorian jockeys are pushing RV hard for a pay rise from the current fee of $200 per ride but Hawkes told's After The Last program on Tuesday that jockeys have already been rewarded with pay rises in recent seasons.

 "The biggest problem is that prizemoney has gone up 32 per cent in the last three years," Hawkes said. "Jockeys are getting a piece of that because they are getting five per cent of the prizemoney they earn.

"In theory, if there's a price increase or a hike, they actually get paid more. These guys are getting paid a serious amount of money.

"With NSW whacking Victoria with these prizemoney increases (announced last week), RVL needs to counteract and push our races up more because - I'll tell you the truth - I will be pre-training a lot of my horses here and sending them back to Sydney to race.

"I already have. I have started doing that just from the problem we've had in the last couple of weeks finding races.

"If they are running for $100,000 at Flemington and $125,000 at Randwick, I want to be at Randwick so RVL have to come back with a price rise and I am sure they will not be able to pay jockeys as well.

"They are doing pretty good. Go and look at the jockeys' car park and everyone else's car park at the races."

Looks like Wayne has an opinion on everything. Journalists just need to ask. Maybe Fast Eddy should ask him about Climate Change   :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-24, 04:50 PM Reply #297 »
I doubt any of the form will stake up from Geelong today.

Unless you were leading / fence it was impossible to make ground, only in the final race did something get home and it seemed to be very wide.