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Offline nemisis

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« 2021-Jun-06, 07:22 AM Reply #150 »
About the nicest thing you could say about Eagle Farm and that is "it's terrible".....and it looks terrible.
There is one thing consistent thing about a botch.....no amount of spin or remedial work can ever repair a botch.
I'm really surprised that anyone want any of their horses racing on it .....let alone the very good ones.

A week after taking down two of Australia's top sprinters, Gytrash and Savatiano, this week it takes out another headliner in Media Award.

12 months ago Kinane was a "headliner"
I was more than interested this week reading about Kinane.
The original trainer, C Waller told his current trainer M Kent to have the horse checked out for bone-bruising.
C Waller would know because he raced Kinane on that piece of concrete 12 months ago.
While Mick Kent might want to refer to Kinane's current condition as "Caulfield-itis".
Let's not kid ourselves about bone bruising......it's not "Eagle Farm-itis" or "Flemington-itis"......bone bruising is in fact micro-fractures.

There have been some great winter gallopers in the past ploughing through the mud....just history now!  >:(

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« 2021-Jun-06, 09:32 AM Reply #151 »
Nem, I missed the news, why was EF responsible for Media Award not running?

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« 2021-Jun-06, 11:39 AM Reply #152 »
Wily - connections galloped her on the track through the week, she pulled up sore. When questioned why he was blaming the track the trainer said he was just lining up with others.  :shrug:

Didn't seem to bother Duais who looked like she could go again considering the ease she put them away.

Pretty sure it was Ryan Wiggins who took to twitter yesterday to say the track has raced perfect since the renos a few months back.

There's no doubt they made some stuff ups right from the start (I've long documented that here) but they have also come a long way and continue to learn how they need to treat it.

Personally it was madness planting a variety of couch that doesn't get the height required to provide the cushion kikuyu does. :bulb:




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« 2021-Jun-06, 11:51 AM Reply #153 »
Media Award was lame before the race that's why it wasn't allowed to start ..as far as I know it has not raced recently at Eagle Farm  possibly never set foot on it on raceday.
I don't know anything about tracks not many do from my observations it's a specialist field ..my golf club's green superintendent is a true professional..he's the only one in this field that I know....  There are critics of EF's firmness it races well after rain there was rain on Thursday I don't know what irrigation if any is/was put on the track this week ..I think the wider it was suited the late finishers although without checking the times were nothing flash.The first winner INCENTIVISE is a horse with a future he bounded away from them.
Tramonto one of my favourite horses was handicapped by the inside seemingly slower than out wide he tried his heart out and his having a break his trainer said he pulled up fine.

Giddy Up  :beer:

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« 2021-Jun-06, 12:06 PM Reply #154 »

Media Award

Media Award (Image: Racing Photos)
Owner: Farm surface too firm

Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy

5 June, 2021
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The Eagle Farm course proper and grass training track have come under fire after Media Award was denied the chance of a second Group 1 Oaks wins when she was ruled out of the Queensland Oaks on Saturday morning.

Part-owner of the filly Andrew Vinecombe told Racing.com on Saturday morning that it is understood Media Award injured herself while working at Eagle Farm either on the course proper last Friday morning or on Tuesday morning when galloping on the A-grass.

"We went up there without a race so we can only put it down to the surface," Vinecombe said. "It was way too hard for that track gallop on Tuesday and it’s a bit disappointing that we’ve got Group 1 racing but they haven’t produced a Group 1 track for trackwork.

"I am just lining up with some other people this week that have probably had a bit to say about the track. It’s not ideal they are not producing group 1 tracks for Group 1 racing and trackwork." ENDS


The truth is the track is a botch-up....always has been!
People are "punished" for speaking the truth in this industry!

A thin layered soft piece on the top does not constitute "give" for a 500 kg animal.


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« 2021-Jun-06, 01:01 PM Reply #155 »
Cheers guys

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« 2021-Jun-06, 01:36 PM Reply #156 »
Eagle Farm yesterday was presented with 24 mls of irrigation for the week and 11.5 mls of rain on Thursday.
On one of it feature days the result was yesterday.....what would be wrong with a soft 6, which is what that fantastically performing track across the road would have probably provided.
What does that surface say for Eagle Farm in the summer months......strike me pink!.... the moisture doesn't even have time to say "hello" to the grass roots.

There are no "remedies" for a botch-up.....if there are then let's hear what they are.

As people who have been so badly burnt by their "off the plan" purchases, find out.....if the foundation is botched, no amount of "No more gaps" in the cracks is going to do anything more than hide the problem for a while.

What a fail!

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« 2021-Jun-06, 04:26 PM Reply #157 »
The potential of an overly firm track for Saturday’s long-awaited Stradbroke Handicap day in Brisbane is not just a concern for connections of new boom horse Zaaki but also for some of the import’s potential rivals.

Trainers Anthony and Sam Freedman have three of the 17 entries for the inaugural $1.2 million Q22 (2200m) at Eagle Farm, but their places in the weight-for-age race are yet to be confirmed as connections keep an eye on conditions this week.

"Without going on about the track, it has been very firm and most of ours enjoy a bit of cut in the ground, so we don’t want to ruin them on a firm track,’’ Sam Freedman said from Queensland on Sunday.

"There is a bit of rain (forecast) during the week, but I think with that track, it drains too well, so we’ve got a few decisions to make.’’

The Freedman stable has Q22 entries for Homesman, Warning and for the import Le Don De Vie.

Zaaki is the $1.60 favourite for the race off the back of an effortless Doomben Cup victory but his trainer Annabel Neasham has already signalled her concerns about the track by pleading to track managers to ensure more water is put on the track this week in the lead-up to Queensland Racing’s biggest race day.

Freedman conceded the $1.2 million prize is a ‘’big carrot’’ to chase at this time of year so the stable is likely to be represented.

"Warning is likely to run,’’ he said.

"Le Don De Vie, for him we might look at an option a week later with the Ipswich Cup and then races like the Caloundra Cup.

"Homesman, he could potentially run in the Q22 or the mile race (Wayne Wilson Classic at weight-for-age) on the same day, so we’ve got a few decisions to make.
Ends.

Here is a piece from Andrew Eddy.
Forgive me but isn't Sam Freedman saying exactly what I am saying?

Young Sam comes across as a very smart fellow.....take note of the word "RUIN"

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« 2021-Jun-06, 08:20 PM Reply #158 »
The Freedmans have a long History in attempting to demand what sort of track they want for their animals. Sounds like this young whipper snapper is reading from the same prayer book. Who really gives a toss about what he demands?

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« 2021-Jun-06, 09:12 PM Reply #159 »
Strewth, Gunbower.....3 sentences and 3 falsehoods.
I can only recall once the Freedman Bros were after a softish track for their Desert King mare.....she was after all the headline act.
Looked up the term "whipper snapper" today after calling my young grandson one  :lol: ...you might need to refresh your memory about just what a "Whipper snapper" is!
Demand???.... I'm not seeing a demand.....I see a dilemma......if the race was at Doomben we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

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« 2021-Jun-06, 09:45 PM Reply #160 »
Hmmm,

I recall comments for Makybe Diva to get the diva treatment.

Fours

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« 2021-Jun-07, 07:12 AM Reply #161 »
Last time I looked fours, Makybe Diva was the only headline act Desert King mare the Freedmans ever had!

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« 2021-Jun-07, 08:57 AM Reply #162 »
nemisis,

If you only get one then a 3 time MC winner will do nicely.

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« 2021-Jun-07, 08:32 PM Reply #163 »
Gee Nemisis you are being a bit rough. This is the dictionary definition of "Whipper Snapper " ;

 "a young and inexperienced person considered to be presumptuous or overconfident." Seems to sum up the young fella pretty well.
As for your comment re "headline act ": I thought that was the whole purpose of handicap racing -there are not meant to be so called "headline acts " -handicap racing by definition implies a level playing field.

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« 2021-Jun-07, 09:57 PM Reply #164 »
The problem is Gunbower, it's a derogatory term.
It was funny how it bobbed up on here  because I called my grandson that yesterday when we were kicking the ball..I looked up it's origin.
I decided I'll never use the term again.

Sam Freedman is a partner with his father...I'm certain his dad is really grateful to have his son alongside him doing all the things he has grown tired of.
Let's not knock people for being articulate and confident.

It was no-one from the Freedman stable's fault that had Racing Victoria craving the sort of world headlines the great mare did indeed deliver.
That track was prepared on the orders of someone at the top.....little like Randwick the other week.
However you do reap what you sow, so they now have to deal with the Anthony Van Dyck dangling leg headlines.

Horse welfare first......all the rest can just follow!   emthup  
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« 2021-Jun-11, 11:44 AM Reply #165 »
I'll be interested to see how much irrigation is applied to this track tomorrow.
Not much rain on the radar so a bit of a test to see if they can provide a "safe" surface because a safe surface for horses is all that is being asked.

There are a couple of firm trackers I like so I will have a couple of e/w bets.
Mark Newnham's big Nathaniel fellow can really find the line on firm ground and I Am Superman seems to be good on it as well.

Safe travel for all the horses .

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« 2021-Jun-11, 12:32 PM Reply #166 »


A 'FAST' ANGLE IN THE OLD DAYS


...................... when nature was allowed to take its course, regognizing an unexpected track rating was reliably a winning angle .............. especially when it became clear, from the times and sectionals, that the track was 'fast'.

A quick look at the Sportsman form summaries pinpointed the  favoured ones.

...................... the Farm being what it is, it may be hard and fast again tomorrow if, as suggested, watering can make it harder.

These days there are no stats for 'fast track' form .............. those that know their way around may like to try their hand at finding them ... and let us know.


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« 2021-Jun-11, 01:16 PM Reply #167 »
What has happened to Eagle Farm is a bit like someone demolishing a beautiful old heritage building .....putting up a red textured brick building with aluminum windows on dodgy footings and expecting to be praised.
Regular and proper maintenance was all that was ever needed on the original surface.
It's not necessarily firm trackers we are looking for, we now have to find horses that are willing to let down on a free draining and compacted sand surface.....and then live to tell the tale.

Surely there would be some nervous committee members tomorrow.....they've got good horses there.
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« 2021-Jun-11, 07:12 PM Reply #168 »
Wednesday was cold and windy so bad I didn't play golf the wind will dry out the track and with hardly any rain the irrigation will need to be increased to avoid injuries.

Stradbroke Day is our premium meeting so good luck to all the participants..

Anyone looking for a Tip I know we can all pick our own winners/losers  but Tony Gollan who is a very good judge gave his best chances in his The Final Gallop video  on SKY Thursday night ..... thinks Garibaldi is his best chance .....and of his two Stradbroke runners he thinks Vega One his best EW chance on the day.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2021-Jul-23, 09:02 AM Reply #169 »
Track in need of turfing: trainers
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A GROWING number of trainers believe the troubled Eagle Farm track must be ripped up again, as it emerged the Brisbane Racing Club will refuse to take back the management of the track from Racing Queensland next month.

The flint-hard Eagle Farm surface has again flared into a major drama and it was an embarrassment to the Queensland racing industry when horse numbers were so limited at Wednesday’s meeting that there were only 47 starters in total across just six races.

By contrast, the bush meeting on the sand track at Gympie last Saturday attracted 56 starters across its six-race card. Late in the day on Wednesday, a posse of trainers met behind closed doors at Eagle Farm and there was almost unanimous agreement that the track must be ripped up for the third time. Racenet has spoken to several of these trainers.

The trainers are also armed with support from several bigname Sydney trainers who privately say the Queensland winter carnival was a success only because of the reputable Doomben track.

While Eagle Farm managed to get through the winter carnival despite its issues, increasing numbers of trainers are now limiting the horses they race at Eagle Farm and some are contemplating whether to race horses there at all.

There will be a crisis meeting between trainers and other industry participants, potentially as soon as next week, which will involve both Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club and possible solutions will be thrashed out.

It is understood participants have been told that if the track is to be ripped up it cannot happen until after next year’s winter carnival as the huge expanse of kikuyu grass needed for the project would need significant time to grow.

The management of the controversial track was due to be handed back from RQ to the BRC next month but BRC chairman Neville Bell says the BRC will refuse to take it back.

“We can’t consider taking the management of the track back as it currently is,” Bell told Racenet. “It is not up to standard, so we won’t take it back.

“The BRC has been working with RQ on the management of this track for two years now.

“There is a meeting next week with stakeholders and RQ to assess where the track is now and the next steps.”

The Australian Trainers’ Association’s Queensland representative, Cameron Partington, said: “We are having ongoing discussions with our members about the recent and current performance of the Eagle Farm track.

“At this stage we are not in a position to comment, as we don’t wish to unduly influence the further discussions and negotiations over the coming weeks with RQ and the BRC regarding the future plans for Eagle Farm.”

The latest drama comes only seven months after a crisis meeting was called over the Eagle Farm track in January, prompted by what trainers said was a series of botched renovations and refurbishments dating back to 2014.

In that time there have been a series of complaints about various incarnations of the Eagle Farm track, but the latest issue is it is so hard horses simply don’t let down there while others pull up with injuries.

ENDS

After all the renovations and the second round of  closure and renovation it has to be done again  this is  really  looks like a lawsuit in waiting. :sad:

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2021-Jul-23, 10:23 PM Reply #170 »


After all the renovations and the second round of  closure and renovation it has to be done again  this is  really  looks like a lawsuit in waiting. :sad:

Giddy Up :beer:


Law suit   :lol:

They have a report from the Melbourne man recommending the use of Couch, couch struggles to get the height, nor the thatch or cushion you can get out of Kikuyu, you probably could have got away with the firmness issues from the sand if you had a Kikuyu surface but the combination of the couch & the firmness and you've got problems.  :bulb:

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« 2021-Jul-24, 09:23 AM Reply #171 »
Everywhere you look these tree draining, compacted sand tracks are a fail
All they do  is make sure the abattoirs and un-regulated knackeries have a constant supply.

It would not matter where the horses are bred.....Japan, NZ, USA, UK or Australia....no horses have been bred anywhere to race on a surface that could probably attain a 100% compaction....that's what required under motorways.....no wonder the grass can't grow.....just put some loam back into it.
It was always about a low maintenance .... never about welfare......painted concrete is very low maintenance.

Flemington....the great father of this idea.....now horses have to undergo nuclear medicine, just for the "privilege" of racing on it when the eyes of the world are watching.

Poor bloody horses! :sad:

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« 2021-Jul-24, 10:32 AM Reply #172 »
It's not that simple Nemisis.

There's probably more maintenance that goes into a sand based playing surface than a native or push up one.

It's not 'sand' in general, it's the shape of the sand used, too far in the spec to the angular nature and it will 'lock' together like you are seeing at EF, too far the other way with 'rounded' and it will just shift under foot and not hold together at all.

FWIW - watching from a distance, there's too many people involved, too many voices all wanting to be seen to be doing something. There's not a straight structure on the maintenance and running of the tracks. Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:

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« 2021-Jul-25, 12:08 PM Reply #173 »
“ Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:

As long as it’s not Mick Goodie  :lol:

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« 2021-Jul-25, 12:23 PM Reply #174 »
I've never understood the vilification of Mick Goodie.
The villains here are those who wrote the specifications for these surfaces.
The curator can only deal with what he has been given.

Funny thing was I felt that the track Mick produced for the 2017 Cup carnival was half decent.....at least for Flemington.....no fatalities that year and then he was shafted.
The track was a lot better than the piece of concrete that buggered Rekindling in the Australian Cup in the Autumn.

In the words of the famous PM....Might well we say"God save the Queen" because nothing will save Eagle Farm


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