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Online wily ole dog

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« 2021-Jul-25, 01:08 PM Reply #175 »
I've never understood the vilification of Mick Goodie.[/b]


Well he specialised in doctoring tracks
Remember his decision to aerate Flemington a few years back creating a fast lane on Newmarket day?

One of the most idiotic decisions in racing. Even out mate Mair picked it up from memory   :lol:
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« 2021-Jul-25, 05:00 PM Reply #176 »
He did fess up though Wily.....you know the old saying 'Show me the man who never made a mistake and I'll show you the man who doesn't do anything
A reasonable question would be  why he felt he needed to do some surgery.

The real doctoring of Flemington occurred in 2006.....a perfectly good track was replaced with a dodgy one.
All the years prior, the Melbourne Cup was a famous race.....since then, when the surface is hard, it's become famous for horse deaths and breakdowns.

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« 2021-Jul-25, 08:05 PM Reply #177 »



.......................... who was responsible for TEARS I CRY ................ in a race where the F4 paid 'one million' ................  Flemington has never been the same after what was done then.

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« 2021-Jul-25, 08:12 PM Reply #178 »
Do you have a problem with substance abuse or are you simply a moron ?

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« 2021-Jul-25, 08:40 PM Reply #179 »
Just for you Peter M. May it bring back fond memories.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40HXkzXDInU

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« 2021-Jul-25, 10:27 PM Reply #180 »


Thanks Jeunes,

.................. at a family wedding that day ........... an ear phone discreetly in my ear ............ I was rocked ............. the tears started after the post mortem on the Sunday.

Something went wrong at RVL around that time ........... we 'lost' ........... threw away .............the best racing franchise in the world.


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« 2021-Jul-26, 08:17 AM Reply #181 »

Something went wrong at RVL around that time ........... we 'lost' ........... threw away .............the best racing franchise in the world.
As I said Peter, Flemington did go wrong in 2006, dug up and threw away a racetrack that was famous.....one of the best in the world.
Trying to be "obliging" for all the "big" players who demand firm racing surfaces.
How bloody sad!

Even sadder for Eagle Farm who also bought this nonsense.
Wasn't even working in Victoria.
Now all they have to do is cross the road with a coring machine.....analyse it and replicate it.....problem over......just a hell lot of money down the drain.

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« 2021-Jul-26, 03:42 PM Reply #182 »
“ Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:

As long as it’s not Mick Goodie  :lol:

Mick's ok, he's just long in the tooth and hasn't really moved with modern times.


 

The villains here are those who wrote the specifications for these surfaces.


The stupidity did start when they brought in a bloke to review and make recommendations from Victoria who was an administrator and had no turf knowledge. The couch surface is a direct result of this madness.

It mightn't be the specs per say, but did the construction actual fall in the guide lines with what was signed off on?  :chin:  :shrug:




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« 2021-Jul-26, 09:51 PM Reply #183 »
Wouldn’t matter who it was. Mick Goodie was on a hiding to nothing. Eagle Farm was bound by contract to the company that was engaged to reconstruct the surface when Goodie was employed on contract. Eagle Farm couldn’t afford to pay that company out and farrrk them off and move forward. Goodie (under duress) had to work with the mess they created. Fact

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« 2021-Jul-27, 10:52 PM Reply #184 »
From memory that sounds pretty close.

I'm amazed they got a 2nd bite at the cherry. I've seen that same mob build a regional stadium which has a 12 month maintenance contract that you had to follow (pretty much the same MO that got EF in the  :crap: the first time around) where this brand new, sand based sports field had to be hollow cored monthly with the cores rubbed back in and fertilised (basically topdressed) in a tonne of chicken manure per ha.

It's turf farmer mentality and ok if you want to turn over paddocks frequently but it's the quickest way to ruin a sand based profile  :bulb:

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« 2021-Jul-28, 08:29 AM Reply #185 »
It's just absolute time for everyone to admit.....Sand Based Profiles don't work.....it's just  straight out animal cruelty.

Flemington with its absurd "nuclear medicine" demands for it's biggest race.
You only have to look at Eagle Farm to see the failure there......horses winning races on the strip where the ambulance comes down. :what:
At least RV did not waste any more time and money on Seymour, when it became clear and obvious.

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Seymour track to be reconstructed
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30 December, 2020
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Racing Victoria (RV), Country Racing Victoria (CRV) and the Seymour Racing Club (SRC) have today announced their intention to reconstruct the Seymour racetrack.

 

The decision has been made to end the ongoing uncertainty for the industry and local community around the future performance of the track and its ability to host scheduled race meetings.

 

Seymour has encountered issues around stability and consistency of year-round performance following its reconstruction in 2015-16. A renovation was undertaken in early 2020 to re-introduce warm climate kikuyu grass which was expected to consolidate across a full summer growing period.

 

Despite making progress over spring, the track has not yet reached an acceptable standard and whilst it would be expected to improve into 2021, RV, CRV and SRC agree that it is now time to provide the industry with greater certainty around the track.

 

In light of the issues experienced with stability, the reconstructed track will be built on a more traditional loam-based profile than the predominantly sand-based profile which was installed in 2015-16 to enhance drainage among other benefits.

 

The Tracks Advisory Panel has assisted RV, CRV and SRC in the evaluation process, along with respected turf consultant Peter Anderson from SportsTurf. In addition, Sandown Racecourse Manager, Tim Bailey, has been engaged to oversee the implementation of the project to reconstruct the track.

 

The reconstruction will commence in the opening quarter of 2021 with racing not expected to resume before the spring of 2022 and only when the track has appropriately consolidated.
ENDS
 You could be reading about Flemington reading this....."enhance drainage and other benefits" emthdown


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« 2021-Jul-28, 05:54 PM Reply #186 »
New date for crisis meeting
BEN DORRIES

A PIVOTAL meeting between key industry stakeholders over the future of the troubled Eagle Farm track has been pushed back a week.

Representatives of trainers and jockeys are poised to meet with Racing Queensland and Brisbane Racing Club bosses to voice their concerns and work out the next step for the controversial surface.

There are growing demands for the track to be ripped up for a third time, with the “overwhelming majority” of trainers pitching for that option.

The Australian Trainers’ Association’s Queensland management has asked trainers to vote on the solution going forward ahead of another industry crisis meeting involving racing officials.

That meeting had been scheduled for tomorrow but it is now likely be held on Thursday next week so Racing Queensland CEO Brendan Parnell and other key industry movers and shakers can attend.

In a radio interview on Monday, Parnell did not rule out opting to tear up the track again but said there was no quick fix and any track replacement process would take at least a year.

ENDS

Driving to golf today I heard RadioTAB  Steve Hewlett let on that Toowoomba trainer Steve Tregea had come up with a solution to fixing EF without digging it up........ from what I could gather the solution is to spread topsoil ( I don't recall what type )on the surface and sow Kikuya seed which would take about 6 months from Spring ...more tomorrow on the radio about the idea.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2021-Jul-28, 07:52 PM Reply #187 »

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« 2021-Jul-28, 08:47 PM Reply #188 »
Never too late Rats, they have the runs on the board.

New course manager heading to Newcastle too - Chris Nation heading back to NSW after a stint in the West.

Good operator IMHO

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« 2021-Jul-28, 09:05 PM Reply #189 »
Never too late Rats, they have the runs on the board.

New course manager heading to Newcastle too - Chris Nation heading back to NSW after a stint in the West.

Good operator IMHO

The track at Newcastle seems to work for mine , was suggesting they should have used them for Eagle Farm ?

I haven't heard of him although it doesn't matter to me anymore as i don't have any horses running,    :sad:  so therefore don't go to the races
Good luck to him , he has something really good to work with      emthup

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« 2021-Jul-28, 09:40 PM Reply #190 »
Nation did an excellent job in Perth and is very well respected by all the industry

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« 2021-Jul-29, 08:44 AM Reply #191 »
I haven’t seen a meeting on the Beaumont track for ages. Have I missed something?

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« 2021-Jul-29, 10:21 PM Reply #192 »
The track at Newcastle seems to work for mine , was suggesting they should have used them for Eagle Farm ?


Exactly - they are well respected, good operators.

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« 2021-Jul-30, 08:48 PM Reply #193 »
QUEENSLAND racing officials are pinning their hopes on the beleaguered Eagle Farm surface following the same profile as the Townsville track, which took “five years to fully mature”, a parliamentary estimates inquiry has heard.

Fronting questions from the Opposition, Queensland Racing Minister Grace Grace said she is “aware” of recent discussions over the firmness of the sand-based Eagle Firm surface but added she received “nothing but positive feedback” throughout the winter carnival from trainers, jockeys and owners.

“My understanding is the track for most of that (winter carnival) time … was graded as a Good 4 for most of the races at Eagle Farm,” she said, while also adding she had walked the track before the winter carnival.

“However I am aware of recent discussions regarding the track surface and management moving forward.

“I know Townsville went through a similar situation as this and after the third year their track came very good.”

It comes as it was revealed $13.7m had been spent on the surface across two rebuilds which span across seven years.

Racing originally stopped at Eagle Farm in August 2014 for a renovation before returning to racing in June 2016. After botching the original rebuild, the track was again ripped up in May 2017 and returned to racing on the current surface in December 2018.

While there are growing calls to again rip the surface up and start again, Grace said the current Eagle Farm track was in better shape than its predecessors.

“I understand the performance of the track continues to create discussion within the industry, my understanding is the basis for improving are very good,” she said.

“The root structure is not like when we had to rip it up previously. There isn’t that thatching there that was there before which required a complete upheaval.

“We understand it is similar to Townsville and I have met with the Townsville people who said: ‘Minister, it does take a while longer’, we are nearly into that period of time post Stradbroke season where we are looking to see this grass firm up.”

Racing Queensland chief executive Brendan Parnell maintained the track is “safe” and that the “root system is the healthiest it has been”.

“Our Minister referred to the Townsville racetrack which is a very similar construction – a sand-based profile with the same couch grass – and that took five years to fully mature,” he said.

ENDS

Will  see if the Estimates Hearing is worth posting .

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2021-Jul-30, 08:55 PM Reply #194 »
Isn't the esteemed Minister a family member of that wonderful Bellino family. Naturally I concur with everything she has to say.

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« 2021-Jul-30, 09:52 PM Reply #195 »
https://tv.parliament.qld.gov.au/?reference=0Mba20210729_123023

Estimates Hearing RACING ...do try not to nod off.    :lol:  

Pretty Tame no reference to th outdated appeals system ..no questions to the QRIC acting commissioner or the the rep of Ag & Fish...... the opposition needs to be more proactive looks like the member forSurers Paradise has got the flick as racing opposition spokesperson ...Tim Mander LNP Everton must be the go to guy now.

Giddy Up :beer:
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« 2021-Aug-17, 08:31 AM Reply #196 »
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/richard-freedman-urges-officials-to-keep-eagle-farm-simple-ahead-of-meeting-20210816

This was an interesting read for mine.
Richard could have been reading some of my comments  emthup

Rip this garbage race track up and put back the old one.

Down goes Paths of Glory....retired?...to a safe place, I hope! 
Paths of Glory fulfilled all his obligations to the racing industry.....didn't he?
Could really gallop and yet the pathetic racing industry can't even provide a half decent surface for a horse to gallop on. emthdown

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« 2021-Aug-17, 06:41 PM Reply #197 »
I think Richard might have been involved with TURNPOINT some years ago ..it's only a vague memory and I don't recall any details.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2021-Aug-17, 07:22 PM Reply #198 »
Arsenal you are correct . He was involved with that group. As usual : much of what Richard says reeks of commonsense. RQ could do a lot worse than get him on board to fix up this mess.

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« 2021-Aug-17, 07:44 PM Reply #199 »
My memory of Turnpoint is that the surface they supplied for Kensington, way back when, was in fact a bit of a fail.

I think Richard like most people now have realised these "wonder sand tracks" are a disaster......hence the language there.
Let's just go back and accept that horse racing is an outdoor event and therefore in the lap of the weather gods.

Good on him for putting a name to a horse that the track has crippled and the "can't be tolerated"
Just straight out animal cruelty.


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