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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2021-Mar-15, 07:07 PM Reply #350 »



.................. correct,gunner

Offline Gintara

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« 2021-Mar-15, 07:57 PM Reply #351 »

Stupidity is always stupid ............ no matter what 'luck' accompanies it


If 'evidence' cannot be measured ... it is not evidence ......

Has anyone .. including RVL .....published comparative numbers on 'relative betting turnover' ........... will they?

Disagree - one has to be out and about to sense the mood. A spreadsheet and an accountant would never get it  :dry:

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« 2021-Mar-15, 08:25 PM Reply #352 »


Clark, of course

Those wondering about the best racing journalism might consider

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/the-all-star-mile-found-its-spiritual-home-on-saturday-20210315

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« 2021-Mar-15, 08:44 PM Reply #353 »
Nearly fell out of the chair laughing . Mair talking about stupidity. Now there is a subject  (for a change ) he has intimate knowledge of.


Yes indeed mate. And Nem wonders why Mair gets abused  :lol:

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« 2021-Mar-15, 08:46 PM Reply #354 »

Stupidity is always stupid ............ no matter what 'luck' accompanies it


If 'evidence' cannot be measured ... it is not evidence ......

Has anyone .. including RVL .....published comparative numbers on 'relative betting turnover' ........... will they?

You can do that yourself. The numbers are readily available but you  won’t accept them if they dont suit your brain farts
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« 2021-Mar-15, 08:52 PM Reply #355 »
And further to that I bet there was more money invested in the ASM than any other race in 5he country on the weekend

That in itself tells you the public like it and it was a success  :tin:

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« 2021-Mar-15, 09:28 PM Reply #356 »
I'd say you miss a bit Wily.
The race is not quite the success you claim and there is enough coming out of RVL to show that.

Because of the rotation system the race clubs can't get sponsorship for it.
It has a massive advertising budget and it's clear there are people who think the money could be better spent elsewhere.
I can't find it now but I was reading where it hasn't been the financial boon for the clubs as well.
Throw in the timing problems and the draining of the quality from the  Australian Cup.....could be in trouble I think.

Low rating horses in WFA races rarely have success.
RVL will always boost the quality with the wild cards as well, if needed...... so for me it's a bit.....what's the point of the race?

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« 2021-Mar-16, 07:36 AM Reply #357 »


........ the fat lady is fairly humming

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« 2021-Mar-16, 11:11 AM Reply #358 »
Bruce Clark pointing out how the voting numbers (140,000)  have remained stagnant over 3 years is surely the telling blow.
In spite of the massive advertising, the race is an expensive fail with too many flaws.
It has to be said though that at least with all the secrecy that goes on in Victoria, that the numbers do get out.

Show me the man who would put in print the true numbers from RNSW's highest mountain in Australia race and I'll show you the tooth fairy.
Let's not even mention the figures and flaws in the highest mountain in the world race.
How laughable that for $600k you can have 104 rated horse carrying the same weight as a 120 rater.....that's a huge flaw in any language.

Much better ways to lose $600k than that nonsense.

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« 2021-Mar-16, 12:34 PM Reply #359 »
I'd say you miss a bit Wily.
The race is not quite the success you claim and there is enough coming out of RVL to show that.

Because of the rotation system the race clubs can't get sponsorship for it.
It has a massive advertising budget and it's clear there are people who think the money could be better spent elsewhere.
I can't find it now but I was reading where it hasn't been the financial boon for the clubs as well.
Throw in the timing problems and the draining of the quality from the  Australian Cup.....could be in trouble I think.

Low rating horses in WFA races rarely have success.
RVL will always boost the quality with the wild cards as well, if needed...... so for me it's a bit.....what's the point of the race?



Nem, Ive clearly stated that the race has it flaws

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« 2021-Mar-16, 12:49 PM Reply #360 »

Let's not even mention the figures and flaws in the highest mountain in the world race.
How laughable that for $600k you can have 104 rated horse carrying the same weight as a 120 rater.....that's a huge flaw in any language.

Much better ways to lose $600k than that nonsense.

Isn't that part of the mystic? Part of the horse trading to lock in what you consider a chance at the conditions of the race  :what: I would have thought ratings were pretty low on the priority list.

Still you'd have to feel for the MiRunners who last year locked in the progressive Rothfire only for him to bow out injured - certainly no lemonade there from those lemons.

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« 2021-Mar-16, 03:21 PM Reply #361 »
Isn't that part of the mystic? Part of the horse trading to lock in what you consider a chance at the conditions of the race  :what: I would have thought ratings were pretty low on the priority list.

Still you'd have to feel for the MiRunners who last year locked in the progressive Rothfire only for him to bow out injured - certainly no lemonade there from those lemons.
If you owned a horse like Rothfire, who at the time had only been beaten once, you wouldn't worry about ratings.
You would be entitled to believe in your horse.
Problem is when he got injured and you have to look around......ratings would matter then.

There would have been some pretty desperate negotiating  going on when he and Farnan both dropped out.
That Dollar for Dollar got a run off his 104 rating is a major flaw.....no mystique there.

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« 2021-Mar-16, 04:47 PM Reply #362 »
Can't argue with that.

I was against the Everest at the start but I've come around, I quite like it now.

The All Star Mile does muck with timings as it just doesn't seem to fit just yet and takes the focus off some of the traditional races.

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« 2021-Mar-16, 04:48 PM Reply #363 »
Nem, so what? These people are aware of the risks.

I suspect your looking for reasons to drag the race down when, staring you in the face, has been some wonderful races in its short history


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