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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2021-Mar-30, 09:02 PM Reply #175 »


.................. I normally plead guilty .......where are these better tips published? ...... any notable 'names'?

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« 2021-Mar-30, 09:41 PM Reply #176 »
IDIOT,

Try this site as mentioned.

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« 2021-Mar-31, 12:14 PM Reply #177 »
I'm sure there's a website or FB group that keeps records on tipsters profitability.

Dean Lester is one who is always up there towards the top.

Brad Davidson freely gives out his tips & punting strategies via FB, keeps records on his profit too   emthup

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« 2021-Apr-01, 05:57 PM Reply #178 »

tip for tip

..................... tips published in the mainstream media need to be made 'accountable' in the same mainstream media.

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« 2021-Apr-01, 08:37 PM Reply #179 »
Peter,

You could simply following the in form tipsters on this site in the comps and do much better eg Wily when he put you onto defibrillate, myself in the tipping comp at the moment ( tipped 100/1 winner on a similar site today too ) and there are the midweek tipsters and specialweek for Japan who all almost certainly do better than the ones you are looking at.

But any one of them could stop tipping tomorrow or just try things and not tell you...... so learning to do the form yourself is the only way.

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« 2021-Apr-05, 06:54 PM Reply #180 »
First, you must ask yourself a couple of questions, why am I punting? Is it for fun or profit?...... How hard do I want to work before the fun goes out of it? am I a lazy/greedy/stupid punter? alright, there were more than a couple of questions
If you punt for fun then, like being a Golf enthusiast, a car enthusiast, going to dinner and a movie, etc, expect most times it is going to cost you money....but so does everything else....just relax and enjoy, unlike all the others, sometimes you will win and feel like a genius
Now I don't see how following the world's best tipster would be much fun, where's the feeling of "being a genius" if you let someone else do the work for you?? and I doubt you would win long term either, when you follow others you are going to feel more like the jackal than the king of the beasts and just pick up the scraps at the bottom of the market
In short, do the work yourself, learn how to fish, don't take handouts, cos handouts won't always be there, backing/picking winners and being a winner are not even close to the same thing

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« 2021-Apr-05, 08:43 PM Reply #181 »


..................... right on Dave


My biggest single problem in 'backing winners' is to so routinely dismiss Montys 'tips' and substitute my own 'selections'.

Monty is incredible but not infallible ...... but if a race is run in Sydney on a Saturday ....and Monty does not include the winner then it is, most likely, a race that should not have been run.

..................... Melbourne on Saturdays  is another thing again ................. any 'failure' of Monty to include the winner in his 'Top5' is an indictment of the policies, especially inflated fields, now in place at RVL.

.................. and such an 'indictment' is now so routine as to relegate RVL racing to the 'raffle' status of Adelaide and Brisbane.




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« 2021-Apr-13, 06:10 PM Reply #182 »
Controversial Questions and More-Controversial Answers

Q.    Do we need our stars, the trainers and jockeys, to come out with fighting words, rather than the nonsensical mild-mannered weekly interviews we have become accustomed to?

A.   Nothing beats speaking truthfully, or not at all – leaving room for luck in the run.

Q.  What does it mean for Canterbury when night racing comes to Randwick?

A.  Canterbury will be sold.

Q. So how do we stop this total dominance of our staying classics by New Zealanders and Europeans  – double the prizemoney for any race beyond 2000 metres?

A. Get over the 'Cup' – just do what we do do well.


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« 2021-Apr-13, 09:45 PM Reply #183 »



BOOKMAKER 'NEEDS  v. PUNTERS NEEDS ............. 'BULLSHIT' v.  REALITY

Australia's 'most controversial racing writer' is running off in a wrong direction.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/something-racing-can-take-from-the-footy-codes-20210413

Far too many racing writers' 'stories', posted and printed in the racing media, are just the requested 'good story nonsense' in forlorn search of a semblance of credible factual support.

There is no shortage of 'racing writers' masquerading as 'racing tipsters' ............... most have an ability to identify 'favourites'............... beyond that, most could not tip sand from a shoe with instructions written on the heel.

Some tipsters 'beg for a leg up' ...... some get one ............. only the punters are not told 'which one' is hot-talk.

If the mainstream media was truly concerned to 'help punters' they would contract with the 'professionals' advising bookmakers and publish the reports ................ they do not.

................. punters looking for a professional 'tipping' service in the mainstream-media would sensibly be alert to 'Monty's Top5',  published in the SMH on Saturdays, ............... more for the races run in Sydney ....... less for the races run in Melbourne under the inflated-field policies of RVL.

....the last thing punters need is more of contrived hype and nonsense that is presently so characteristic of 'mainstream media'.







https://www.racenet.com.au/news/something-racing-can-take-from-the-footy-codes-20210413

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« 2021-Apr-13, 09:59 PM Reply #184 »
Controversial Questions and More-Controversial Answers

Q. So how do we stop this total dominance of our staying classics by New Zealanders and Europeans  – double the prizemoney for any race beyond 2000 metres?

A. Get over the 'Cup' – just do what we do do well.
It's hard at times to see just what it is that Australian Breeders "do so well at"......flogging 2 yr olds :what:
A thoroughbred is meant to be about stamina as well as speed.

Given a chance to mature Anamoe would be a great horse I think......hopefully won't just be famous for a great 2 yr old.

The sires from the Derby.......Jakkalberry and Contributor would not have a lot of "commercial" appeal in Australia.
If Tavistock didn't have a true believer like Patrick Hogan, you would wonder where he would have ended up.
I don't know of any sons of Montjeu that ever stood here.

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« 2021-Apr-21, 07:14 PM Reply #185 »
Nemesis you are applying racing logic where it just doesn't belong, you talk like you don't know how and why the Breeding industry works the way it does??
The two industries are totally difference and as they say in the classics, any similarity is purely coincidental,
What is good for racing is bad, in fact a disaster for breeders.... and vice versa, they have wangled every position of power in racing, not because they care about racing but so they can manipulate it to their own benefit, that ain't news is it?

Let me explain how the system works...and why we "specialise" in sprinters(actually we don't specialise in sprinters or should I say the breeding industry doesn't) what they specialise in is 2 year olds and a by product of that is Sprinters, Good older sprinters is purely unintentional on their part
let me tell you why
sprinting breeds usually mature early, hence in a sale ring they look like a racehorse even as a yearling, this means they will bring a premium, trouble is, what you see is what you get, not a lot of improvement maturity wise etc,
Staying breds on the other hand look like foals (by comparison) it takes an expert to see the potential and there is much more room for error, hence they do not sell as well
Point 2, when a stallion succeeds in replicating what he did best, win a baby race....he gets the best mares and the best chance to succeed, if he does his progeny bring big money, that generates very high stallion fees........Breeders win from every angle while they destroy the fabric that made racing great, racing will always be there but is losing ground year after year, because the public doesn't care about it any more
Point 3 and this is the really important one, if a buyer buys a stayer and gives it the time it needs, he won't be back on the buying bench for 3 maybe 4 years, if you buy a sprinter you know by the following year if it's any good, if it is good, you come back to by another, if it is no good you come back to buy a replacement, the bench is full every year and competitive, they are not even trying to buy a good racehorse, most are looking to buy a stallion and sell it for $20/30 million....in any other industry it would be illegal and called Pyramid selling, they are manipulating prices, I could tell you about some scams I Know have happened but that is getting into murky legal ground
so you can see what Breeders have done to our industry, they are like the mining industry who find minerals dig it up for a few years, take all the profit, then when it runs out, they move on leaving great gaping holes where nothing will ever grow again....they just don't give a damn, only the environmentalists make the Government keep them in check to a point....there is no such check on big Breeders, if racing fell over tomorrow they would move on to something else, they would not miss a beat and they would not look back
that is why we "specialise" in breeding sprinters, it is NOT because that is what we are good at, it is because that is where the money is, raping and pillaging doesn't bother them and very few even know what they are doing anyway
No one, not a soul in the industry will ever complain about it, cos Breeders have positioned themselves as the biggest owners and have horses with all the top trainers and ridden by all the top jockeys....it would be like a drug addict criticizing their drug supplier, too afraid they will get cut off, they are all hooked on the Big Breeders Kool Aid, there is no answer
Just so long as we all know that it isn't raining!

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« 2021-Apr-22, 08:07 AM Reply #186 »
I am aware just how obscene the Australian Thoroughbred Breeding industry is.
I was simply lamenting the fact that Anamoe was having so much 2 yr old racing......he looks to be pretty special.
Running that horse over 1000 metres in October is ridiculous..... he has never looked like a speedy squib but sadly gets treated like one.

There is a good reason health authorities set guidelines around how much distance running is safe for children.
No one watching over the young thoroughbreds......is there?

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« 2021-Apr-27, 06:34 PM Reply #187 »


Richie Rich -- the role of the persuader

Yesterday 'clark of course' could not answer the question 'Can we clear this whip problem up?' ............. ..............today, just segue to Richie-can

I don’t want to know what the public in general think.

....... I asked 10 of my mates ..... if they would be happy to see whip use phased out.

........... all of my mates are........... punters, trainers and jockeys ..........they would like to see the use of the whip retained - it was unanimous.


This has to stop!


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« 2021-May-02, 09:05 AM Reply #188 »
9 races at EF yesty some winners stood out but a couple of surprises Victory Eight who I gave up on after it ran two lasts in a row steamed home yesty and was given a rough hope by LGHR where I get his tips ......pretty good judge John Lingard spends a lot of time doing the form and has lots of connections over the years he has been around a long time ......but of the CM tipsters only Greg Spletter did any good finding 5 of the 9 on top the other two had a dismal day one put Slow Hands on top his only winner while the other guy had two shorties which picked themselves.....I had Niccanova as a horse to follow after it's first up bottler but let it go yesty for the supposed good thing Trekking which obviously needed the run .

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2021-May-02, 03:01 PM Reply #189 »



Monty,  a tipster to the journos, to the rescue on May-Day

Monty's selections yesterday were for Sydney and Brisbane (with rain coming on the day).

Monty had one 'rough duck' in both states but all other winners were in his top four.

In Brisbane .........5 on top, one 2nd and two 3rd.

In Sydney (at a standalone) ...........two 2nd, four 3rd and two 4th.

...... as Chet Atkins might say 'that's good pickin'


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« 2021-May-03, 11:53 AM Reply #190 »
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« 2021-May-04, 09:05 PM Reply #191 »

Where were the journos when Daniel Ganderton needed them?


Ganderton is a great rider and horseman and he now works extremely hard with his uncle Mark Ganderton in preparing a boutique stable of promising young horses.

Ten years back, DG, a well regarded apprentice in Sydney, was riding Benetta as a well-regarded first starter ................ the smh form guide said ... 'be wary of horses from this stable'

.......be wary indeed ........ the young DG got 3 months for a 'merits offence'.

At the races, in Hobart, a while back, I went to the jockeys room to let DG know my concern for how he had copped the lot ............ while the trainer copped nothing.

.................... on another occasion, Thumper Thorley, hearing an RNSW appeal by a jockey, came within a whisker of demanding 'who put him up to this offence?'

The stewards have a lot to answer for!



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