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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-20, 09:11 AM Reply #50 »


Once Monty's tips are published, the indelible public record of them is available for later comparison.

What is not available on Saturday morning -- on the record -- are wily's tips............ can we have them?

As a self declared dunce at the tipping caper, no one would want to be misled by my tips.

Offline gunbower

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« 2017-Jun-20, 10:11 AM Reply #51 »
Just self declared dunce would have done.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-20, 01:38 PM Reply #52 »
My tips are available Peter, just got to give me yours. Always up for race horse form discussions.

The alternative is to pay me for my thoughts as Monty gets paid for his :thumbsup:

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« 2017-Jun-21, 10:07 AM Reply #53 »


.......... just play with yourself wily

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« 2017-Jun-21, 01:24 PM Reply #54 »

.......... just play with yourself wily

Guys this is really getting boring.

Peter, I have seen 100's of tipsters come and go and guess what very few finish in front over the long term. Now I must agree that Monty has had some "moments in the sun" but he also has many runs of outs.

If it was possible to look at a 12 month period of profit and loss regarding Monty's tips I highly doubt he would show a profit.

You keep pushing Monty's top 5 in quaddies etc.

5x5x5x5 = $625 for a single unit. I ask how many quaddies has Monty got over the last 52 Saturdays and what is the total return?

$625 x 52 = $32,500 worth of investments for what return?

Here is an idea that I'm sure Wily will accept.

How about over the next 4 Saturdays you post Monty's top 3 not 5 and Wily also posts his top 3 for Sydney only on a Saturday and we will see who comes out on top with the staking plan below.

1. Each top selection has a standard stake of $10 to win.
2. Each top 2 selections are boxed in a Quinella for $5.
3. The top 3 selections in each race are boxed in a Trifecta for $1 that equals a $6 spend.
4. The top 3 selections in the Quaddie legs are boxed. 3x3x3x3 = $81 for a single unit.

So over a 8 race program a total of $249 is invested each Saturday for 4 weeks.

Let's see who finishes in front.

By the way I will have $50 on Wily coming out as the winner.

Well Peter and Wily are you up for the challenge?

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« 2017-Jun-21, 03:25 PM Reply #55 »
Mair will duck and dive, run and hide, make shocking puns and horribly un-funny turns of phrase.

He will make any amount of excuses and slither off into the darkness.



This does not suit his agenda.

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« 2017-Jun-21, 03:40 PM Reply #56 »
Peter has tried to explain that Monty's tips can't be reproduced without permission.

There are simple copyright laws at play here.

They are in the herald every Saturday so if someone wants to compare go for it.
Not for me......but I'm probably quite interested.

 
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« 2017-Jun-21, 04:27 PM Reply #57 »
If any media tipster was that successful, he would be punting full time and not working as a racing journalist. One well known tipster was known as "columns", as every time he saw a person to whom he owed punting money, he would run and hide behind the nearest column he could find, yet mug punters religiously  followed his tips.

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« 2017-Jun-21, 04:46 PM Reply #58 »
Peter has tried to explain that Monty's tips can't be reproduced without permission.

There are simple copyright laws at play here.

They are in the herald every Saturday so if someone wants to compare go for it.
Not for me......but I'm probably quite interested.
Memisis.
That's just a smoke screen from Peter to deflect from the truth. re the copyright.
He's being disengenuos

I can easily post "my" selections. If  I choose to post "my" selections and they happen to resemble Dean Lesters, or Duffys or Monty's so what. That is not a breach of copyright.

Anyways Peter and I have had head to head tips and he's lost to me every time. . Countless people on here have provided insight as to why certain horses have saluted at big prices but Peter chooses to ignore that whilst pushing his job application under race clubs noses.

I Agree with Mort, the same same crap from Peter is boring and I have no doubt those of us who constanly expose his falsehoods appear boring as well

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« 2017-Jun-21, 05:18 PM Reply #59 »
Copyright? What tosh.

Half the content on here is newspaper articles, links to newspaper articles - all just cut and pasted. Some acknowledged, others not.

To bring copyright into this discussion is utter nonsense.




I can't believe I've used the phrases 'tosh' and 'utter nonsense'. You old blokes have some explaining to do.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-21, 05:25 PM Reply #60 »
Tosh.....I've never heard it but it certainly appears applicable   :lol:

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« 2017-Jun-21, 06:33 PM Reply #61 »

..........Monty played another winning hand at Canterbury today

3 of the 7 'on top', 2 were 2nd selections, one was 5th and he missed in the first.


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« 2017-Jun-21, 06:42 PM Reply #62 »


I would not even encourage anyone else to post Monty's tips -- and, if anyone tried, I am sure the Minders of the commercial integrity of the forum would disallow it.

Conversely, the wily-one could post his tips on Saturday mornings..... and the post mortem would be held that night.

This is the only credible proposal as far as wily V. Monty is concerned -- it should be accepted.

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« 2017-Jun-21, 07:10 PM Reply #63 »
..........Monty played another winning hand at Canterbury today

3 of the 7 'on top', 2 were 2nd selections, one was 5th and he missed in the first.

5th....wow

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« 2017-Jun-21, 07:13 PM Reply #64 »

I would not even encourage anyone else to post Monty's tips -- and, if anyone tried, I am sure the Minders of the commercial integrity of the forum would disallow it



Oh dear Peter, now your stooped to threatening the forum

You are a sad case


Offline HarmersHaven

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« 2017-Jun-21, 07:13 PM Reply #65 »
Enough with your copyright nonsense!

After this thread, the next seven threads under "All Topics" menu, that's 7/7 or 100%, all have content cut/pasted from newspaper articles. All of them.

TABCORP Tatts merger
QRIC
Baylee Northdurft
The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Potential Internationals
2017 Royal Ascot
Think I Saw A Potential Star - Barney Boy


Slither away now.

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« 2017-Jun-21, 07:32 PM Reply #66 »
So it's not a copyright issue when you cut/paste and re-produce others' work when you're peddling your various agenda -

Daily Telegraph, author uncredited:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/taxing-breeders-a-glimmer-of-commonsense/msg86643/#msg86643

The Australian (a) Patrick Smith, and The Australian (b) author uncredited:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/racingnsw-takeover-target/msg102378/#msg102378

Cyberhorse, Bill Saunders:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/a-portent-of-a-better-new-year/msg17459/#msg17459


But now it's suddenly a copyright issue when it doesn't suit you?




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« 2017-Jun-21, 07:38 PM Reply #67 »
Some years ago when racing commanded more newspaper space, at the end of Monty's top 5 it went something like this.

"Monty's top 5 is written exclusively for the Sydney Morning Herald by Shane Montgomery and cannot be reprinted in any form".

Why would you ignore that?
 
 
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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-21, 08:05 PM Reply #68 »
As i said nemesis. Thats just a deflection

Offline gunbower

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« 2017-Jun-21, 09:10 PM Reply #69 »
Mortdale as usual is on the money , this thread is tiresome and boring. Mair is a complete clown. He just likes to provoke a response. Much like the class clown at School. Just ignore his postings as those who run the show have been doing for years. Just respond with an emoji.  If he doesn't keep getting responses the silly old bugger will find others to annoy.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-21, 10:40 PM Reply #70 »


Nemesis is on the money

I know the wily one needs a support group but he also needs some guidance.

Because Monty's tips are published in the SMherald -- they are 'copyright' until after the races have been run.

Once the races have been run it is presumably Ok to reprint them openly.

The situation with the wily one is different -- he publishes on this forum and it would only make sense if his tips were published here before the races were run.

Alternatively, I would be happy to nominate an independent contact point so wily could also have the benefit of filing his tips with  'non disclosure' until after the races were run -- and that compromise might meet the test of fair play and save others taking the prices for wily's tips.

Wily is the one pitting himself against an established benchmark -- if he were to win consistently, the prospects for wily might be lucrative. I would get him a paying gig.

......................it is up to wily -- he can play open grade or continue to play on his own.

All I have said is 'Monty is good' -- wily says he is better ------let us see, or not,  in a fair contest ... but don't duck it .

[I have also said that the tippers on punters.com.au are also good, Bet busters is also good ........and I am happy to be alerted to other tippers with proven form.]



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« 2017-Jun-22, 07:30 AM Reply #71 »
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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-22, 07:54 AM Reply #72 »
Greater minds than mine can handle that Peg  :lol:

I opened it but I could only do it as a word document

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« 2017-Jun-22, 08:11 AM Reply #73 »
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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-22, 08:00 PM Reply #74 »


When the forum is waiting for tips from the wily one, the last thing we need is a diversionary tangent from the pegger.

We were about to get an outcome where wily would  put up or shut up ......on fair terms of his choosing ........ and we do not want to lose the moment.


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