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Offline pegasyber

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« 2017-Jun-22, 08:11 PM Reply #75 »
  That is fair enough I will get out of your way. Cheers.
 

Offline dean

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« 2017-Jun-22, 08:15 PM Reply #76 »
Wily, Please do not encourage this bloke. Someone may end up taking him seriously.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-23, 08:24 AM Reply #77 »
Oh I won't be Dean  :lol:

It's not for me to put up or shut up Peter. The balls in your court

Ive said all along, it's not about me, it's about your incessant banging on about a bloke who has 45 tips in a meeting as some sort of yardstick as to punting success :bulb:

Offline Spudda028

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« 2017-Jun-23, 09:07 AM Reply #78 »
Speaking of guidance, can somebody bring Peter in 2017 and assist with his interpretation of copyright law.

"Because Monty's tips are published in the SMherald -- they are 'copyright' until after the races have been run.

Once the races have been run it is presumably Ok to reprint them openly."

I started to but nope couldn't be bothered........

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-23, 04:52 PM Reply #79 »
It's just a deflection from Peter anyhow, Spudda.
there is nothing stopping Pete from having 5 picks in every race and posting them here and if god forbid, they resemble some of what poor monty does, so what :bulb:

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-23, 06:35 PM Reply #80 »
......tomorrow will tell the tale........follow monty..........stay well clear of Melbourne...... it will be brutal.

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Offline gunbower

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« 2017-Jun-23, 07:05 PM Reply #81 »
He must be on day release again.

Offline Bubbasmith

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« 2017-Jun-23, 09:06 PM Reply #82 »
Surely Peter can post Monty's tips after the meeting, thus avoiding a "copyright" excuse. He could scan the SMH , copy then paste.that's not too hard.

Offline Barry

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« 2017-Jun-24, 05:41 AM Reply #83 »


Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-24, 09:36 AM Reply #84 »
Put a monkey in front of a type writer and he'll punch out a word  :lol:

R1; 5,4,6,9,1
R2; 4,3,7,2,8
R3; 1,5,2,4,6
R4; 4,2,5,6,9
R5; 4,2,1,5,7
R6; 7,5,1,2,6,
R7; 9,3,5,7,4
R8; 4,2,7,10,14
R9; 15,6,2,3,11

Offline arthur

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« 2017-Jun-24, 10:28 AM Reply #85 »
Are Monty's tips in any particular order ie is #1 the top selection?

Without checking (I don't bet in SYD)  . . They seem to be the top 5 in market order

Offline nemisis

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« 2017-Jun-24, 11:14 AM Reply #86 »
My understanding Authur is that it is about value.

They are in order but Monty has just set his market.

How you want to bet, would be up to you.
   

« Last Edit: 2017-Jun-24, 11:20 AM by nemisis »

Offline Gintara

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« 2017-Jun-24, 03:41 PM Reply #87 »

We were about to get an outcome where wily would  put up or shut up ......


  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

The amount of times you have been asked to put up or shut up on this forum is mind blowing in fact I can't remember you ever actually answering a question put to you  :chin:

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-24, 06:09 PM Reply #88 »
90 darts between us and monty found 6 winners and me 5  :lol:

Offline nemisis

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« 2017-Jun-25, 02:09 PM Reply #89 »
Is this a 12 round title fight?

Round 1 to Monty.  :biggrin:

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-25, 02:45 PM Reply #90 »
Given the poor results of both contestants yesterday I suspect this will not go the distance.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-25, 09:20 PM Reply #91 »

Now is not the best time of the year for a tipping contest -- too many low-grade, rough races on affected going.

Monty's chances were impeded by scratchings --10 of his 'nominal 45' while the wily one had none.

For a fair go -- wily would need to post on Friday night (given that Monty posts his copy either Thursday or early Friday to be available to subscribers from just a bit after midnight -- and before scratchings on Saturday morning  )

Assessors would also need to weigh the ability of Monty to pull stuff out of the hat -- Sound Proposition and Lion Couchant being good examples on Saturday.

The issue on the table here is about whether full-time professional tipsters are usually more useful than the time-pressed assessments of most punters with limited ability and no systemic records.

I have not spoken to Monty for more than 10 years -- my memory is of someone insightfully dedicated to the task and his consistently sound performance is too good to ignore.

.................. he is, of course,  not writing the Sunday paper on Thursday night but, in a fair contest with any published competitor I would back Monty to win.



 

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« 2017-Jun-25, 09:56 PM Reply #92 »
......tomorrow will tell the tale........follow monty..........stay well clear of Melbourne...... it will be brutal.

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Flemington was hardly brutal on Saturday Peter.

Overnight showers provided a nice racing surface and track seemed fair.
 


Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-26, 08:07 AM Reply #93 »

For a fair go -- wily would need to post on Friday night (given that Monty posts his copy either Thursday or early Friday to be available to subscribers from just a bit after midnight -- and before scratchings on Saturday morning  )


I agree with that from both sides. I banged my stuff together in 5 minutes with no study given I had no idea as to what race meeting monty's tips were coming from

As an aside, I didn't have one bet in Sydney

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 08:32 AM Reply #94 »


I am not sure if the above post of Montys tips -- at 5.40 am on Saturday - was readable by anyone but I would like the forum monitors to respect their reasonable obligation to defer the posting til after the last race has been run.

Offline gunbower

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« 2017-Jun-26, 09:23 AM Reply #95 »
Of course they were readable, if anyone was remotely interested. Aren't they published in a Fairfax paper ? Certainly a long bow to request ethical consideration of this mob after the shabby way they have dealt with their employees in recent times.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:15 AM Reply #96 »

Pretending to be the responsible adult in residence with family, meant I did not get to enjoy the racing on Saturday.

The outcomes at Flemington were better than  I expected but neither 'bet busters' (7 tips in each) not 'punters.com' did well -- and a 50,000 F4 in the last [1.38.6 for 1600m on a good track] suggested what might have been in other races with close finishes. Monty did not tip in Melbourne.

As for publishing Monty's tips -- breaking the law is not entitled by the otherwise demise of print media. More importantly while subscribers can get them in a readable form -- but not publish them early -- I suspect their posting on this forum was not readable, certainly not by me and apparently not by wily.

...... the general point ...........respect professional tipsters ...stands ............ but wait for September.




Offline gunbower

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:29 AM Reply #97 »
Just double click on "Barry's " post.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:46 AM Reply #98 »


.......thanks gunner

I would like to think that posting Monty's tips here, before the races are run,  will not happen again.

Not only is it probably illegal, and unfair anyway, but the contest with wily will be spoiled if he can see the benchmark to beat.


Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:54 AM Reply #99 »


A reasonable request has been put



On Saturday morning -- about 5.30 am -- the reasonable copyright of the Sydney Morning Herald was breached when a copy of 'Monty's Top 5' tips for the Randwick races was published on the forum.

Publishing these 'tips' is presumably acceptable on Saturday evening, after the races are run, but surely not on Saturday morning , before the races are run.

Can the forum monitors ensure this does not happen in future, please?




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