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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2021-Jun-09, 12:56 PM Reply #1275 »

SATURDAY SPOILER ALERT

RVL are taking inflated fields to a new level cliffside on Saturday --  accepting 16 inexperienced 3yros to run over 1600 in Race 7, compounds that disrespect for most punters................... it will also compromise betting on the Quadrella and B6.

Why would RVL do this?

                                         https://racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Acceptances.aspx?Key=2021Jun12%2CVIC%2CLadbrokes%20Park%20Hillside

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« 2021-Jun-12, 06:21 PM Reply #1276 »



Rough-racing:  final fields diminished by scratchings did not help

........................11 inexperienced 3yros ran over 1600 in Race 7, and the F4 paid 20,000 ................ there were other disgraceful outcomes delivering quadrellas paying 6k and 20 k ..........and a B6 'skinner' .

Is RVL simply unaccountable for the poor quality of the product served up?

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« 2021-Jun-12, 07:35 PM Reply #1277 »
Lovely winter track at Sandown today, Peter.
I backed the 2nd and 3rd horses in that race.....loved my quinella to get up.
Who wants favs. to win all the time?....that's why I love wet tracks
Plenty of rewards for video watchers and punters who wait to see how the track is playing.
Track favoured leaders.....What's new?......Sarodec just got under the guard a bit.
No Effort, Sir Kalahad, Falls and Zipping Boy.....all heavily backed.....light weight leaders just doing their thing.

I had a great day.....are we asking for betting slips again?

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« 2021-Jun-12, 08:23 PM Reply #1278 »


Most punters are 'time scarce'

Most punters do not have the time to 'do the form' to the extent you consider 'necessary'.

Administrators substituting 'tunover' for 'quality' are defrauding most punters.

.......... in any other national industry 'protection' of most customers would demand reforms  ..... not least restricting 'acceptances' to numbers, form and SP-odds  consistent with players putting their cards on the table and punters getting a fair go.

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« 2021-Jun-12, 08:36 PM Reply #1279 »
Peter,

If you know, or others know, that you have insufficent time to do the job properly then its on you guys and no one else if despite that you still bet.

Get a mirror and stop blaming others.

Fours
ps great days racing and its not over yet.

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« 2021-Jun-12, 08:42 PM Reply #1280 »
But that's the fun of the punt, Peter.....looking for something others may have missed.
It's the good thing about having some time to do it now.

I'm a bit pleased with myself.....I backed Opacity on Wednesday, as soon as the prices went up.....$12. :what:
I've been waiting for the wet track......what a good soft tracker he is.....no weight at all.
Good day for Ocean Park all round!

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« 2021-Jun-15, 08:48 PM Reply #1281 »


Midway-no way: RNSW adds a midway-robbery race to avoid


...... guess who wrote this ........ not a punters pal:

Come Saturday July 3, a $100,000 race called the Midway will be added to Sydney’s Saturday program for city and provincial stables that aren’t at the big end of town. A total of 15 stables that account for over 80 per cent of Saturday winners are ineligible meaning a stable of Widdup’s size is perfectly positioned to capitalize.

       ....................one can only hope it is run as race 1,2 or 3 .............. no need to tune in before the start of the BIGSUX.

The racing media should be as-one in opposing this degrading of Saturday metropolitan racing.





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« 2021-Jun-16, 09:21 PM Reply #1282 »


Saturday's portents are not good for most punters

Last year the 'treble' races at Ipswich, the 'best' races on the day, returned F4s averaging $3k+ and were part of a $3k quadrella where the first leg was a 3/1 shot.

................. the carnival is over 'til mid September ............. across the eastern states, many if not most 'accepted' to run in inflated fields 'on Saturday should not have been.

The 'afflicted' irish et al should bet lightly.... very lightly lest account records will be examined by a 'master in lunacy' determining 'fitness'.

................. there may be a class-action against administrators.


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« 2021-Jun-19, 07:19 PM Reply #1283 »


How bad is that?

RVL needs 'time-out' to get racing in Melbourne back on track.

R6 First Four    12-17-1-3  $103,105.00  Jackpot $28,286.80

R7 First Four    2-6-10-13   $365,349.00  Jackpot $148,731.00

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« 2021-Jun-19, 07:34 PM Reply #1284 »
Quinella (6/ 10) @ 300%
Stake $3.00
Flemington • Race 7
Sat 19/06/2115:25
No Return
6. Brenlyn's Trooper (13) @ 16.00
Place • Stake $3.00
Flemington • Race 7
Sat 19/06/2115:25
Won+ $48.00
6. Brenlyn's Trooper (13) @ 61.00
Win • Stake $3.00
Flemington • Race 7
Sat 19/06/2115:25
No Return
10. Capriccio (14) @ 4.80
Place • Stake $5.00
10. Capriccio (14) @ 26.0020.00
Win • Stake $6.00
Flemington • Race 7
Sat 19/06/2115:25
No Return

It's a game of inches sometimes Peter.
Long live the roughies.
Not a winning day for me but how close?

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« 2021-Jun-19, 09:33 PM Reply #1285 »


I can only applaud .............. good picken' ............. very good picken' ............. an astonishing reminder of the glorious unceetainty.

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« 2021-Jun-28, 12:52 PM Reply #1286 »


On Mondays, can we have a copy of the debrief, for Saturday's racing, prepared for the for the RVL board, please?

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« 2021-Jul-05, 10:20 PM Reply #1287 »

RVL integrity division to get police assistants to curb orgasnized crime.


Welcome as that may be, can some members of the 'bunco squad' in Victoria be seconded to monitor fraud against punters in Victoria?

............. where is Joe Friday draging his net these days?.......... I could help identify fraud in the administration of racing.


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« 2021-Jul-06, 08:35 AM Reply #1288 »

RVL integrity division to get police assistants to curb orgasnized crime.


............. where is Joe Friday draging his net these days?.......... I could help identify fraud in the administration of racing.

Yes, start by handing yourself in  :lol:

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« 2021-Jul-08, 05:32 PM Reply #1289 »



Tim Costello is leading the charge in exposing the links of gambling and politicians


                         .... what he is saying has no applicability to 'racing' gambling does it?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/gambling-s-hold-over-our-national-identity-has-corrupted-politics-20210707-p587k4.html

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« 2021-Jul-14, 07:40 PM Reply #1290 »


Most 'accepted' to run at Flemington on Saturday should not have been

................... scroll through the pre-post prices ............. punters will be hoping for the best to avoid being hampered by the worst.

https://www.racenet.com.au/racing-form-guide/flemington-20210717/all-races

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« 2021-Jul-21, 08:52 PM Reply #1291 »



DON'T BET ON MELBOURNE RACING --- IT IS TIME TO PULL THE STICK,  AND THE PLUG, ON RVL

Every day, Victorian punters make a mockery of this hopeful thought:

             As I (Richie Rich) have said before, you cannot treat punters as mugs or they will stop backing up ...................

Far too many 'accepted' to run at Caulfield on Saturday should never have been accepted to start.

https://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Acceptances.aspx?Key=2021Jul24%2CVIC%2CCaulfield

It was the same last week ...  both quadrellas paid some $20,000 ............. it was a predictable disgrace ............. it is so routinely 'a predictable disgrace' ------punters are losers ....... corporates betting 'fixed-odds' are the winners.

................. the racing media need to pull RVL into line.


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« 2021-Jul-21, 10:32 PM Reply #1292 »
You have to bet on Melbourne races Peter.
Can't bet in Sydney.......Strike me roan, now there are two ex kiwi, horse trainers getting tricky.
Let Richie navigate that!

Plenty of long shots in Melbourne......big fields.....isn't that good?
Very well performed son of Roc De Cambes won well 1st up today on the heavy track and paid $40.00.
Sandown played reasonably fair today.

Let's wait and see how Caulfield presents on Saturday.....just watch the first couple!

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« 2021-Jul-22, 07:58 AM Reply #1293 »

Tabcorp finally 'discovers' it has customers and steps out of line ............



The licensing and regulation of wagering has historically been the responsibility of state and territory governments............In a submission to a parliamentary inquiry, Tabcorp has proposed the Commonwealth take responsibility for gambling regulation through the establishment of a single national wagering regulator.........Tabcorp said a nationwide harmonisation of gambling regulations would be of greater benefit than a simple credit card ban. This would include a central point of licensing and regulation of online gambling companies to ensure adequate consumer protections.

Most puters would welcome a national regulator protecting their interests. State racing administrators would not.

The story from the SMH this morning went on to say:

...............overseas owned online-only gambling companies ................ in recent years have agreed to pay more than $1 billion to the states in point of consumption taxes and product fees.
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..................... I am thinking 'more than $1 billion' is more than a bit on the high-side.

[ ............as for the advice from 'nemisis' ............... only very slow learners would be still betting on Melbourne mid-weeks ......... many would like to see the Sydney stewards doing more to expose 'trainer-tricks' that leave most punters reeling.]

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« 2021-Jul-22, 09:07 AM Reply #1294 »

Check some extracts from RVL and Tabcorp submissions to the gambling inquiry


Governments requiring some simple routine disclosures of 'where the punters money went' would be sobering.

RVL has the gall to say:

Australia’s betting industry is already well covered by the National Consumer Protection Framework, which offers Australian online betting customers extensive consumer protections and controls. RV supports these effective regulatory measures and notes that they operate with the full support of wagering operators.


Tabcorp

Tabcorp is a leader in promoting responsible gambling practices – we understand that caring for our people and customers is at the heart of any sustainable business............. Tabcorp actively engages with governments, venues and communities to improve responsible gambling practices.


Online gambling companies have been making super-profits in recent years ...........  Despite making super-profits, online gambling companies contribute less racing industry funding and less taxes to governments than Australian TABs. ............

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« 2021-Jul-24, 06:58 PM Reply #1295 »

And so it came to pass today.......... as it did 'yesterday'

...................... the quadrellas tell the story ......... 'early' $35k ......... main $21k ................. a very sad story

DON'T BET ON MELBOURNE RACING --- IT IS TIME TO PULL THE STICK,  AND THE PLUG, ON RVL

Every day, Victorian punters make a mockery of this hopeful thought:

             As I (Richie Rich) have said before, you cannot treat punters as mugs or they will stop backing up ...................

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« 2021-Jul-24, 07:30 PM Reply #1296 »
Well if it's people like "Richie" who assessed Awapuni Princess @ $50 in the early market......well you would surely get what you deserved.
She certainly trimmed up in the betting.

What an exciting way to end the day......came from last a la Rough Habit.....long live the roughies!

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« 2021-Jul-24, 07:53 PM Reply #1297 »

LONG LIVE RACING

..................... one can only wonder about the RVL 'business plan' ........  take no comfort that they are pandering to fixed-odds corporates while rorting loyal Victorian punters putting $1.5m in the local TAB pool ........ unfortunately, a class of punter that seems to be more akin to addicts than sensible.

What happens in the RVL bunker on Monday when they 'review' the outcomes of the racing on Saturday ................ does no one ask if the punters that pay the freight got a fair go?

There will be a reckoning ................... as there is with Crown.

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« 2021-Jul-25, 08:00 PM Reply #1298 »

TWO FEW STARTERS .................????

What is wrong with this race?

All 5 runners get a fair go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBhuLinaeSU

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« 2021-Jul-28, 05:21 PM Reply #1299 »

Saturday racing at the Vale -- is RVL digging the hole deeper?


https://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Acceptances.aspx?Key=2021Jul31%2CVIC%2CThe%20Valley


             Check out the quadrella races ........................ those that do not bet will not be buried.


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