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« 2018-Oct-13, 06:00 PM Reply #25 »
Redzel jumps to number 2 in earnings for Australasian horses.  Putting aside inflated earnings a horse that has a 50% win and 75% place record racing against the best sprinters going around is a good effort by any measure. 

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« 2018-Oct-13, 06:01 PM Reply #26 »
2  Redzel (AUS) 2012            AUD 15,372,000            AUS           2   28     14   6   1  7   as at 13 Oct 20162018

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« 2018-Oct-13, 06:40 PM Reply #27 »
Fixed

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« 2018-Oct-13, 07:56 PM Reply #28 »
Trapeze Artist's second-place money puts him into the $5 million club according to the Racing NSW website - $5,242,850

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« 2018-Oct-13, 08:06 PM Reply #29 »
Thanks people - more work to do!

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« 2018-Oct-14, 08:56 AM Reply #30 »
To be honest I don't think prizemoney from "closed" races like The Everest and the Magic Millions should be included.....as a "purist"   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-14, 10:30 AM Reply #31 »
Prize money  has been on the increase since Moses played full back for the Mount Sinai seconds

Has a conversion of Phar Lap's prize winnings been calculated allowing for inflation and currency conversion ?
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« 2018-Oct-14, 11:25 AM Reply #32 »
Redzel might now be second behind Winx as far as stake winnings of  Aust / NZ bred gallopers, however, I would think Manikato, Black Caviar,Buffering and Takeover Target would have being capable of winning two Everests had the race been around when they raced .

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« 2018-Oct-14, 11:41 AM Reply #33 »
Bubbasmith Re Phar Lap earnings

According to a copy of Miller's Guide "Note in a Racetrack magazine article in January 2006, Dr Graeme Putt of New Zealand figured out that on the races he won Phar Lap would have earned $15,761,758 by 2008 standards"

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« 2018-Oct-14, 11:55 AM Reply #34 »
Imagine what Tulloch's would have been had he not lost his four-year-old year.
 

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« 2018-Oct-14, 12:53 PM Reply #35 »
The list below is the top 40 Thoroughbreds on career earnings anywhere in the world from https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/worlds-all-time-highest-earning-thoroughbred-racehorses/ . All prize money, wherever earned, has been converted to pounds sterling based on the relevant exchange rate at the time.
      
Their " list was originally compiled by the International Racing Bureau, which is a British company, hence the use of sterling and the official overseas currency exchange rates issued by the British Horseracing Authority in the first week of every January.   
   
In my opinion this is a lazy way to measure earnings. Quite a few European horses travel to the US, Hong Kong or Australia at the end of a calender year and exchanges rates can and do yo-yo over very short periods.  The British Horseracing Authority gets a fail and needs to lift it's game.  Interestingly there is very little difference between my more recent foreign earnings conversion figures and those now on racing.nsw and racing.com. (eg Hartnell).  Some of the early figures for implied exchange rates used by the then racingvic website were very different from the true exchange rate.        
I have included my GBP figures for comparison purposes.   
   
Horse    thoroughbredracing.com figures   My figures
Arrogate (USA) 2013   GBP 13,671,322   GBP 13,877,428
Gentildonna (JPN) 2009   GBP 12,285,608   GBP 11,569,967
Orfevre (JPN) 2008   GBP 12,275,482   GBP 11,880,602
Gun Runner (USA) 2013   GBP 12,260,411   GBP 11,808,858
Kitasan Black (JPN) 2012   GBP 11,454,079   GBP 12,375,699
Winx (AUS) 2011    GBP 10,681,440   GBP 11,109,510
Buena Vista (JPN) 2006   GBP 10,588,889   GBP 12,781,143
T M Opera O (JPN) 1996   GBP 10,587,690   GBP 10,881,316
Gold Ship (JPN) 2009   GBP 9,940,344   GBP 9,433,351
California Chrome (USA) 2011   GBP 9,455,421   GBP 10,104,313
Victoire Pisa (JPN) 2007   GBP 7,959,527   GBP 8,318,408
Vodka (JPN) 2004 (mare)   GBP 7,580,245   GBP 8,092,149
Highland Reel (IRE) 2012   GBP 7,513,355   GBP 7,875,927
Espoir City (JPN) 2005   GBP 7,459,286   GBP 7,278,456
Deep Impact (JPN) 2002   GBP 7,268,753   GBP 6,934,759
Hokko Tarumae (JPN) 2009   GBP 7,184,409   GBP 6,820,807
Smart Falcon (JPN) 2005   GBP 6,781,037   GBP 7,227,494
Lord Kanaloa (JPN) 2008   GBP 6,470,184   GBP 6,216,239
Thunder Snow (IRE) 2012   GBP 6,302,421   not reviewed
Enable (GB) 2014   GBP 6,377,396   GBP 6,447,102
Cigar (USA) 1990    GBP 6,277,311   GBP 6,405,361
Flintshire (GB) 2010   GBP 6,240,977   not reviewed
Cirrus des Aigles (FR) 2006   GBP 6,179,490   not reviewed
Vermilion (JPN) 2002   GBP 6,058,055   GBP 6,211,385
Maurice (JPN) 2011   GBP 6,004,693   not reviewed
Treve (FR) 2010   GBP 6,002,918   not reviewed
Viva Pataca (GB) 2002   GBP 5,994,640   not reviewed
Special Week (JPN) 1995   GBP 5,929,086   GBP 5,700,644
Gloria de Campeao (BRZ) 2003   GBP 5,927,616   not reviewed
Narita Brian (JPN) 1991   GBP 5,856,861   GBP 5,949,782
Eishin Flash (JPN) 2007   GBP 5,849,194   GBP 5,845,679
Makybe Diva (GB) 1999   GBP 5,795,064   GBP 6,028,031
Zenno Rob Roy (JPN) 2000   GBP 5,791,478   GBP 5,814,128
Skip Away (USA) 1993   GBP 5,768,753   not reviewed
Just A Way (JPN) 2009   GBP 5,735,667   GBP 5,544,778
American Pharaoh (USA) 2012   GBP 5,531,104   not reviewed
Tap Dance City (USA) 1997   GBP 5,404,241   GBP 5,695,073
Curlin (USA) 2004   GBP 5,291,024   GBP 5,291,580
Dunaden (USA)   GBP 5,271,584   not reviewed
Stay Gold (JPN) 1994   GBP 5,261,565   GBP 5,629,967
      
Some that should be on the list:      
So You Think (NZ) 2006    omitted   GBP 5,445,105.35
Found (IRE) 2012   omitted   GBP 5,525,376.95
      
Two that suffered due to low rates of exchange against the GBP (and USD):      
Sunline (NZ) 1995   less than GBP 5m.   GBP 4,343,754
Vengeance of Rain (NZ) 2000 (raced in Australia as Subscribe)   less than GBP 5m.   GBP 4,786,231
      

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« 2018-Oct-14, 01:14 PM Reply #36 »


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« 2018-Oct-14, 01:21 PM Reply #37 »

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If we took a poll of people on the forum of who they thought needed to be formally assessed Peter, I would think timw wouldn't get a mention. He is one of the best and accurate contributors to the forum.

On the other hand........

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« 2018-Oct-14, 08:43 PM Reply #38 »

EUROPEAN EARNINGS RECORD HOLDERS THROUGH THE AGES (IN BRITISH POUNDS)      
Arranged from information appearing above      
Second draft      
Qualification: All horses must have had first race in Europe      
      
Gladiateur (FR) 1862      GBP 30,822
(Career record: Starts 19: 16-0-1-2;  United Kingdom: Starts 14: 11-0-1-2 for GBP 22,320; France: Starts: 5: 5-0-0-0 for FRF 202,675)      
      
Donovan (GB) 1886      GBP 55,755
(Career record: United Kingdom: Starts 21: 18-2-1-0 for GBP 55,754.50)      
      
Isinglass (GB) 1890      GBP 58,655
(Career record: United Kingdom: Starts 12: 11-1-0-0 for GBP 58,655.00, includes GBP 1,200 for second in the Lancashire Plate of 1893)      
      
Noor (IRE) 1945 (estimate)      GBP 134,494
(Career Record: Starts: 31: 31-12-6-7; United Kingdom Starts: 13: 4-1-3-5 for est GBP 7,015.20 (estimates for placings);USA: Starts: 68: 8-5-3-2 for USD 358,940)      
      
Bald Eagle (USA) 1955 (est for 1 UK placing)      GBP 247,195
(Career record: Starts 29: 12-5-4-8: United Kingdom: Starts 6: 3-0-1-2 for estimated GBP 6,289 (includes estimate for 3rd place in St James Palace Stakes of GBP 694.00); USA: Starts: 23: 9-5-3-6 for USD 676,442.50.)       
      
Nijinsky II (CAN) 1967      GBP 282,558
(Career record: Starts 13: 11-2-0-0: Ireland: Starts 5: 2-1-0-1 for IEP 68,627.75; France: Starts 1: 0-1-0-0 for FRF 480,000; United Kingdom: Starts 6: 5-1-0-0 for GBP 177,504.25)      
      
Mill Reef (USA) 1968 (estimate for UK placing)      GBP 311,039
(Career record: 14 starts: 12 wins, 2 seconds, 0 thirds.  United Kingdom: Starts 11: 10-1-0-0 for GBP 171,753.80 (est); France: Starts 3: 2-1-0-0 for FRF 1,891,050)       
      
Rheingold (IRE) 1969      GBP 368,888
(Career record: 17 starts, 9 wins (4 x G1L), 1 seconds, 1 thirds.  United Kingdom: Starts 13: 5-4-1-3 for GBP 74,439; France: Starts 4: 4-0-0-0 for FRF 3,192,000)      
      
Dahlia and Allez France      
Dahlia (USA) 1970      GBP 666,705
(Career record: Starts 48: 15-3-7-23; France: Starts: 21: 5-3-3-10 for FRF 1,929,050;  Ireland: Starts: 1: 1-0-0-0 for IEP 22,472.50; United Kingdom: Starts 6: 4-0-2-0 for  GBP 254,401.20; USA: Starts: 17: 4-0-2-11 for USD 360,450;  Canada: Starts: 2: 1-0-0-1 for CAD 102,970; Italy: Starts: 1: 0-0-0-1 for ITL 0.00)       
Allez France (USA) 1970      GBP 577,363
(Career record: Starts 21: 13-3-1-4; France: Starts: 18: 13-1-1-3 for FRF 6,000,510; United Kingdom: Starts 2: 0-2-0-0 for estimated GBP 22,023; USA: Starts: 1: 0-0-0-1 for USD 0.00)      
On 27 July 1974 Dahlia passed Rheingold's European earnings record of GBP 368,888.  Allez France did not pass Rheingold's record until 6 Oct 1974.      
On 6 Oct 1974 Allez France passed both Rheingold and Dahlia.  On 27 Oct 1974 Dahlia regained the lead until 4 May 1975 when Allez France regained the lead. On 31 Aug 1975 Dahlia regained the lead until 14 Sept 1975 when Allez France took over. On 25 April 1976 Dahlia passed Allez France again to hold the lead until passed by Erin's Isle.       
      
Erin's Isle (IRE) 1978      GBP 750,062
(Career record: 31 starts: 9 wins, 9 seconds, 2 thirds. Ireland: Starts 12: 3-6-0-3 for IEP 36,119; France: Starts 1: 0-0-0-1 for FRF 0; United Kingdom: Starts 1: 0-0-0-1 for GBP 0.00; USA: Starts 17: 6-3-2-6 for USD 1,165,143.)      
On 1 Oct 1983 Erin's Isle passed Dahlia's record of GBP 666,705. Erin's Isle held the earnings record 28 days until All Along passed both Dahlia and Erin's Isle on 29 Oct 1983.      
      
All Along (FR) 1979      GBP 2,025,981
(Career record: Starts 21: 9-4-2-6; France: Starts: 13: 6-2-2-3 for FRF 4,391,100; United Kingdom: Starts 1: 0-0-0-1 for GBP 0.00; Japan: Starts: 1: 0-1-0-0 for JPY 28,036,000;  Canada: Starts: 2: 1-0-0-1 for CAD 348,210; USA: Starts: 4: 2-1-0-1 for USD 1,988,935)      
      
Singspiel (IRE) 1992      GBP 3,620,949
(Career record: Starts 20: 9-8-0-3; United Kingdom: Starts 15: 6-6-0-3 for GBP 550,237.05; France: Starts: 1: 0-1-0-0 for FRF 480,000; Canada: Starts: 2: 1-1-0-0 for CAD 600,000 and USD 400,000 (Breeders Cup Turf 2nd in USD); Japan: Starts: 1: 1-0-0-0 for JPY 135,612,000; UAE (Dubai) Starts: 1: 1-0-0-0 for USD 2,400,000; and bonus of USD 500,000)      
Singpiel's earnings include a bonus of USD 500,000 for winning 1996 Canadian International Stakes and 1996 Japan Cup.       
On 3 Apr 1997 Singspiel passed All Along's record of GBP 2,025,981.      
      
Fantastic Light (USA) 1996      GBP 5,792,060
(Career record: Starts 25: 12-5-3-5; United Kingdom: Starts 14: 6-4-2-2 for GBP 735,772.75; France: Starts: 1: 0-0-0-1 for EUR 0.00; UAE (Dubai): Starts: 2: 1-1-0-0 for USD 1,600,000; USA: Starts: 4: 2-0-0-2 for USD 2,507,400; Japan: Starts: 1: 0-0-1-0 for JPY 63,498,000; Starts: Hong Kong 1: 1-0-0-0 for HKD 8,000,000; Ireland: Starts: 2: 2-0-0-0 for EUR 788,508; and Emirates World Series bonuses of USD 2,000,000)      
Included in Fantastic Light's earnings is a USD 1,000,000 Emirates World Series bonus earned when he won the Hong Kong Cup (G1) on 17 Dec 2000 and a USD 1,000,000 Emirates World Series bonus for winning the 2001 Breeder's Cup Turf run at Belmont New York, USA on 27 Oct 2001. Bonuses are included in his equibase earnings but not included in racingpost earnings.       
      
Viva Pataca (GB) 2002 (late 'Comic Strip' in UK)      GBP 6,157,612
(Career Record: Starts: 51: 18-5-10-18; United Kingdom: Starts 7: 5-0-0-2 for GBP 58,674.80; Hong Kong: Starts 43: 13-4-10-16 for HKD 75,421,500 (including HKD 2,000,000 bonus earned 31 May 2009 for winning two legs of the 2009 Citi triple crown); UAE (Dubai): Starts: 1: 0-1-0-0 for USD 1,000,000)      
On 25 Apr 2010 Viva Pataca passed Fantastic Light's European earnings record of GBP 5,792,060      
      
Cirrus des Aigles (FR) 2006       GBP 6,159,677
(Career record: Starts 67: 22-20-6-19;  France: Starts: 51: 19-17-5-10 for EUR 1,922,590; Hong Hong: Starts: 6: 0-0-1-5 for HKD 4,745,000 Japan: Starts 1: 0-0-0-1 for JPY 0; UAE (Dubai): Starts: 2: 1-1-0-0 for USD 4,000,000; Ireland: Starts 1: 0-0-0-1 for EUR 11,000)      
On 7 June 2014 Cirrus des Aigles passed Fantastic Light's European earnings record of GBP 5,792,060      
On 25 Oct 2015 Cirrus des Aigles passed Viva Pataca's European earnings record of GBP 6,157,612      
      
Flintshire (GB) 2010      GBP 6,414,248
(Career record: Starts 24: 8-12-1-3; France: Starts: 14: 9-2-1-2 for EUR 429,600; United Kingdom: Starts 3: 3-0-0-0 for GBP 1,396,672.50; UAE (Dubai): Starts: 1: 1-0-0-0 for USD 3,600,000; United Kingdom: Starts 3: 3-0-0-0 for GBP 1,396,672.50; UAE (Dubai): Starts: 1: 0-1-0-0 for USD 1,200,000;)      
On 5 Nov 2016 Flintshire passed Cirrus des Aigles European earnings record of GBP 6,159,677      
      
Highland Reel (IRE) 2012      GBP 7,875,927
(Career Record: Starts: 27: 10-6-3-8; Ireland: Starts 5: 1-1-0-3 for EUR 59,645; United Kingdom: Starts 9: 5-2-1-1 for GBP 1,905,712.74; France: Starts 3: 0-2-0-1 for EUR 1,485,900; USA: Starts 3: 2-0-1-0 for USD 2,827,300; Australia: Starts 1: 0-0-1-0  for AUD 220,000; Hong Kong: Starts 4: 2-1-0-1 for HKD 23,295,000; UAE (Dubai): Starts 2: 0-0-0-2 for USD 300,000)      
On 29 July 2017 Highland Reel passed Flintshire's European earnings record of GBP 6,414,248      
      
Thunder Snow (IRE) 2014 (retired)      GBP 12,360,194
(Career Record: Starts: 24: 8-7-4-5; United Kingdom: Starts 8: 1-2-1-4 for GBP 135,518.30; France: Starts 3: 2-0-1-0 for EUR 451,420; UAE (Dubai): Starts 8: 5-3-0-0 for USD 14,950,000; USA: Starts 4: 0-1-2-1 for USD 810,000; Ireland: Starts 1: 0-1-0-0 for EUR 60,000)      
On 30 March 2019 Thunder Snow passed Highland Reel's European earnings record of GBP 7,875,927      
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« 2018-Oct-15, 06:40 AM Reply #39 »

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« 2018-Oct-15, 06:51 AM Reply #40 »
As someone who wasnít following international earnings closely, itís just really surprising the dominance of Japanese horses now. 7 of the top 10 for a start.

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« 2018-Oct-15, 09:41 AM Reply #41 »
As someone who wasnít following international earnings closely, itís just really surprising the dominance of Japanese horses now. 7 of the top 10 for a start.

The prizemoney is astonishing in Japan - and increasingly in Australia for that matter - when compared to the rest of the world.

Wondering how expensive it is to have a horse trained in Japan though. They seem to have a very controlled environment not dissimilar to other Asian racing centres.

The appearance of Redzel on the list with only two Group 1 wins begs the question should prizemoney from "closed" races like the Magic Millions, The Pegasus World Cup, The Everest, etc. be included.

Arrogate's figures would include his Pegasus World Cup win in 2017. Take that out and the top 5 would be Japanese horses with Winx the top earner "ex Japan" - with a bullet   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-15, 09:48 AM Reply #42 »
The appearance of Redzel on the list with only two Group 1 wins begs the question should prizemoney from "closed" races like the Magic Millions, The Pegasus World Cup, The Everest, etc. be included.


What about we exclude winnings form races with three or four horses?

Or from races run anti-clockwise?

Or from etc etc.........

 

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« 2018-Oct-15, 09:52 AM Reply #43 »
What about we exclude winnings form races with three or four horses?

Or from races run anti-clockwise?

Or from etc etc.........

No I think there are clear reasons why you shouldn't include earnings from what are (effectively) private races not open to all comers.

As opposed to small fields, etc.  :)

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« 2018-Oct-15, 11:13 AM Reply #44 »
No I think there are clear reasons why you shouldn't include earnings from what are (effectively) private races not open to all comers.

As opposed to small fields, etc.  :)

Exclude age restricted races.

Exclude gender related races

Exclude all races where the acceptances exceed the field limits.

etc etc



 

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« 2018-Oct-26, 06:09 AM Reply #45 »
According to Sam Duncan in today's Age (p23 - not in the sports pages) Winx will become the 'greatest money winner in world racing' if  she wins the Cox Plate.  The best I can do is promote her to fifth in USD, second in GBP and  second in AUD. 

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« 2018-Oct-26, 06:22 AM Reply #46 »
According to Sam Duncan in today's Age (p23 - not in the sports pages) Winx will become the 'greatest money winner in world racing' if  she wins the Cox Plate.  The best I can do is promote her to fifth in USD, second in GBP and  second in AUD.
The Age, that says it in a word  :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-26, 06:43 AM Reply #47 »

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According to Sam Duncan in today's Age (p23 - not in the sports pages) Winx will become the 'greatest money winner in world racing' if  she wins the Cox Plate.  The best I can do is promote her to fifth in USD, second in GBP and  second in AUD.

They don't make much of an effort do they? A few minutes on Google would show that was fake news.

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« 2018-Oct-27, 08:50 PM Reply #48 »
I have updated all of Winx details (I hope).  I have her ranked fifth in world wide earnings in USD and second in GBP and AUD.  To get to number 1 in USD she will need to win all the same races in autumn 2019 as she won in 2018 and the ATC will need to increase its prizemoney and/or hope the USD / AUD exchange rate increases in Australia's favour (not good for exporters but good for holidays to USA).

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« 2018-Oct-27, 08:58 PM Reply #49 »
I have updated all of Winx details (I hope).  I have her ranked fifth in world wide earnings in USD and second in GBP and AUD.  To get to number 1 in USD she will need to win all the same races in autumn 2019 as she won in 2018 and the ATC will need to increase its prizemoney and/or hope the USD / AUD exchange rate increases in Australia's favour (not good for exporters but good for holidays to USA).


Or do a Redzel and win a couple of Everests.


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