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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Sep-08, 03:46 PM Reply #525 »


............. agreed...... a slow learner
............. but some knew more than others........... ..besides the trainer.

I guess we all know to be wary of 'first up' among other things .............including that accolade for a form reversal......'was trained to the minute for a target race' ......

I know it is smart to get one ready .....but it looks slick ......... and whatever 'they' do to get one ready ...........it is usually only good for that one run.

I do not see how this practice, however clever, is good for racing.

I will not be expecting Humidor to be winning again soon ..........nor running in the Cox plate.

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« 2020-Sep-08, 07:10 PM Reply #526 »

Richie gets on the bandwagon for the smoked in Humidor.


CW is not the only one able to do it but he has pulled some astonishing turnarounds both recently and previously.

Humidor was a stunning stunt ......played on the punters ........... but can a racing media writer have a go at the back-story ........ how was it done? ........... and don't forget WuGok .....or Shillelagh knocking a few heads off against the odds.

How is it done? ............. do these stunning performances portend another ........ or more likely 'never again'.


COULD IT BE ONE OF THE GREATEST STORIES

What a performance by Humidor in the Feehan Stakes - full marks to the horse, trainer and rider.

It is not often a horse gets a new lease of life as an eight-year-old, but Humidor in his 42 start career had never previously won first-up and in his three runs last preparation he finished 10th, eighth and fifth in Western Australia.

The old warrior went so close as a five-year-old in the 2017 Cox Plate when second to the champion Winx, could he possibly win the big race as an eight-year-old?

What a story it would be.

    What a training performance! @cwallerracing works his magic with HUMIDOR pic.twitter.com/aaCw9zRxeO
    — 7HorseRacing 🐎 (@7horseracing) September 5, 2020

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« 2020-Sep-09, 07:57 PM Reply #527 »


................ any magnificent training feats in prospect for Saturday?

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« 2020-Sep-09, 08:44 PM Reply #528 »
Yes,

Mr passion fruit vine is doing well.

Chokos need some work.

Fours

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« 2020-Sep-18, 09:34 PM Reply #529 »

The George Main begs a question

..... will the elegant one and a sea star ............ prove the form from the Winx............. or was that quinella about either 'just readied for one run'?

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« 2020-Sep-18, 10:13 PM Reply #530 »
Yes Peter, VE was readied for that one run. They will not be trying for the rest of the spring.......you goose  :lol:

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« 2020-Sep-19, 04:48 PM Reply #531 »
How much did they knock back for Kinane again  :chin:

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« 2020-Sep-19, 08:14 PM Reply #532 »
Waller adds another G1 to his 112 wins with Kolding’s win today.

http://www.australianracingrecords.com.au/index.asp?f=alltime-trainers

He is still way behind TJ and Bart. The question is will he get there?

He has won 2 G1 races this spring with Very Elegant in the Winx Stakes and George Main today.

However he still has some good horses to challenge for rest of the spring but Racing is a funny game.

The CC, MC and GS have still eluded him while many others in the top 10 G1 trainers have achieved it.


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« 2020-Sep-19, 08:21 PM Reply #533 »


...........following Waller runners makes 'wallys' of us all ............... find wally? ............ look in a mirror.

.....it is time to make him choose his 'best' two ............... no more stacking the fields.

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« 2020-Sep-19, 09:15 PM Reply #534 »
We don’t need Waller  to make a “Wally” of you. You’ve got it under control yourself   :lol:

Didn’t you back Kolding?

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« 2020-Sep-23, 10:50 AM Reply #535 »


Richie is on the job

If there is ever an issue I notify the stewards and public ASAP,” Waller told Racenet.

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« 2020-Oct-26, 02:59 PM Reply #536 »
Sad to see Humidor had a "degree of Pulmonary hemorrhage"  :what: in the Cox Plate.
Just who and what is the measure of a "degree"? :shrug:
The gallant warrior really did look to be struggling at the finish.
Not enough of a bleed to cop the mandatory 3 months ban but surely time can be called on this boy's career......doesn't need anymore injections......or any more Lasix.

8 yrs, $4.5 million and a previous fairly serious racing injury surely have earned Humidor a decent retirement now.

If only horses could write because the one racing book I would like to read is My  Aussie Adventures by Humidor.
Weir, Maher and Eustace, Smith and now Waller.......oh boy...he's copped a bit!

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« 2020-Oct-26, 07:26 PM Reply #537 »
Sad to see Humidor had a "degree of Pulmonary hemorrhage"  :what: in the Cox Plate.
Just who and what is the measure of a "degree"? :shrug:
The gallant warrior really did look to be struggling at the finish.
Not enough of a bleed to cop the mandatory 3 months ban but surely time can be called on this boy's career......doesn't need anymore injections......or any more Lasix.

8 yrs, $4.5 million and a previous fairly serious racing injury surely have earned Humidor a decent retirement now.

If only horses could write because the one racing book I would like to read is My  Aussie Adventures by Humidor.
Weir, Maher and Eustace, Smith and now Waller.......oh boy...he's copped a bit!

what a lot of rubbish , we have already seen plenty times were you dislike Waller.

Since moving to Waller the horse has had 4 starts since June (blinkers added)
In that time he has placed 1st,2nd and 3rd followed by his run on Saturday while collecting $376k
I hardly think think the horse has been over taxed , he is now spelling . I think he has another prep in him

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« 2020-Oct-26, 08:48 PM Reply #538 »
These last two posts must border on defamation emthdown

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i would think some should heed JWH  advice

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« 2020-Oct-26, 09:28 PM Reply #539 »
what a lot of rubbish , we have already seen plenty times were you dislike Waller.

Since moving to Waller the horse has had 4 starts since June (blinkers added)
In that time he has placed 1st,2nd and 3rd followed by his run on Saturday while collecting $376k
I hardly think think the horse has been over taxed , he is now spelling . I think he has another prep in him

  emthup

The guy absolutely loves his horses.

I've seen him weep when he lost one at trackwork.

Weir was a rarity.

Most of the people working for trainers are there for their love of horses. They certainly don't do it for the money.

And if someone comes along and is cruel to horses, they soon get dobbed in - except of course if you are a wannabe journalist from Sydney's north shore wanting your big scoop

Darren Weir found about this common love of horses the hard way.

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« 2020-Oct-27, 08:29 AM Reply #540 »
what a lot of rubbish , we have already seen plenty times were you dislike Waller.

Since moving to Waller the horse has had 4 starts since June (blinkers added)
In that time he has placed 1st,2nd and 3rd followed by his run on Saturday while collecting $376k
I hardly think think the horse has been over taxed , he is now spelling . I think he has another prep in him
What's rubbish?
Humidor had some bleeding of the lungs on Saturday
Despite being in a stable that uses the an anti-bleeding drug ......the horse bled....surely that is a concern?
Lasix is legal in this country........2 of Humidor's 4 Australian trainers have been busted for race-day use .....that's illegal!

Spelling????..... of course he should be spelling......his body is going to need some repairing.

Little fact check re the blinkers......they have been off and on Humidor ever since he nearly knocked over Winx in 2017!
Not hard to picture him on the now famous treadmill at Weir's stable. :what:....is it?

I did see it pointed out that the closest C Waller has ever been to Humidor was in fact on that Cox Plate day in Oct.2017........Humidor was in the runner's up stall  :lol:

Do I like Waller?...not as much as I did after we found out about his use of Lasix
Certainly like the super little NZ mare by Zed, he has in his stable.......he won't stop me backing her next Tuesday!

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« 2020-Oct-28, 07:52 PM Reply #541 »


...................... he pulls stunts ............ clever but not endearing

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« 2020-Oct-30, 12:12 PM Reply #542 »
I see that Masaff, who was supported, had 'a degree of Exercise Induced Pulmonary Haemorrhage' after the Bendigo Cup on Wednesday as well.
Interesting term 'a degree' because an endoscopy examination can rate the level of blood in the trachea from 0 to 3.......i.e., 4 levels.

From what I have seen from previous Stewards' Reports, horses that bleed following a poor performance are pretty much finished as racing prospects.
On that basis.......Humidor at 8 yrs of age and $4.5 mil. in the bank should be retired.
More than happy to see some evidence to convince me otherwise.

https://haygainaustralia.com/blogs/news-and-events/lung-bleeding-eiph-in-horses-it-s-not-only-racehorses

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« 2020-Nov-09, 11:23 AM Reply #543 »
Absolutely extraordinary how differently Furosemide can be viewed by 2 different organisations.
When C Waller had his Lasix positive .......440ng/mL more than 8 times above the threshold 50ng/mL :what: he was issued a fine which was below his trainer's percentage and the race was awarded to the runner up .......which was his runner as well. The racing NSW Vet described Lasix as a "preventative drug" and Chris was reminded to get his timing better.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/waller-up-front-following-lasix-positive-shared-archive/

Contrast that to the IOC where Lasix is described as a masking agent and are pursuing Brenton Rickard for a retroactive Lasix positive (6ng/mL) from a sample 8 years ago.....
https://swimswam.com/2012-australian-olympic-medalist-brenton-rickard-tests-positive-for-furosemide/
Off topic here but there would be no way that Brenton Rickard would be into performance enhancers.
Can only hope that he wasn't tempted to use a fast working diuretic to make him look a bit leaner standing next to the the muscular freestyle and butterfly swimmers on the the world stage. :shrug:

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« 2020-Dec-12, 06:29 AM Reply #544 »


'Smart money' poses questions the stewards should ask

Wise guys figure the smart money for Waller horses comes late in betting, which was the situation at Rosehill Gardens last Saturday.

Today he has three acceptors. Reloaded and Sambro are strong chances, but his outsider, Savacool, cannot be ruled out. Age-old advice of watch the market applies to them.

Regarding last Saturday at Rosehill, punters came for Waller’s Oscar Zulu ($11 to $7) and got the money, with the same result for stablemate Vitesse ($7.50 to $4.80).

While the support was not as spectacular for their stablemate Bigboyroy ($4.10 to $3.70), the minor placegetter should have won, confirming the surge for him was right.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/follow-the-money-and-villiers-might-provide-a-christmas-bonus-20201211-p56mpa.html



Punters do not like being taken to the cleaners when a smokey gets under their guard ........... and they like it even less when it becomes clear that some 'smart'/ 'insider'(?) punters had an unfair edge.

Racing has a reputation for applauding outcomes later hailed as 'training feats' ........'stings' in punters minds.

The stewards should be investigating the source and content of 'smart money' ........... a media man given the good gen about a horse ........... and getting on, but not letting on in the pre-race broadcast, was penalized.

In the US the Waller issues are dealt with by bracketing stable runners ............


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« 2020-Dec-13, 01:03 PM Reply #545 »
Peter,

The US does not bracket runners from same trainer - see eg 2020 Breeders Cup Classic result (dirt, run 7 Nov 2020) at https://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=KEE&raceDate=11/07/2020&cy=USA&rn=12 where Bob Baffert trained 3 of the 10 runners (Authentic, Improbable, and Maximum Security (1st , 2nd, 5th).  WinStar owned a share in both Improbable and Global Campaign (3rd, trained by Hough) and they were not bracketed either. 

From memory horses by the same owner were bracketed once and may still be but I could not find an example quickly.  Clearly easy to avoid if ownership in each horse not exactly the same. 

Cheers

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« 2020-Dec-13, 02:22 PM Reply #546 »
Max Presnell could  almost be the" Last of the Mohicans" in the racing press in NSW
Parts of the school of journalism he went to, still remains.......writing without fear or favour.
He probably can't be bothered that much these days but congrats to him for devoting a column to the elephant in the room, with the Waller runners.
No comparison with "racing's most controversial "    :lol:       :lol:   .....go Richie.....the punters pal emthdown

I can remember when Jack Denham had Maizcay entered in the 80's.....looked an absolute certainty.
Jack also had a promising 3 yr old filly in the race......who was well backed and knocked Maizcay off.
There was a photo of Jack smiling back at the booing and jeering punters......and Jack never smiled at the races!

I'll give the Oscar to Chris Waller for his High Bridge performance behind Exoteric......2nd goes to Chris as well for Seaway $ 4.00 to $7.00 beaten 25 lengths behind Girl Tuesday....and I'll give Jack the bronze for Maizcay.
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« 2020-Dec-13, 04:45 PM Reply #547 »


Elephants in the room -- thanks 'timw'

We need to get on top of old smokey  -- the stewards eyes seem to be covered in snow some days.

Very likely the incidence of the 'wrong winner' is overstated because we remember the 'wronguns' but take the right-ones in our stride..

.................. I had not realized that 'bracketing' of stable runners (or owner runners) had been discontinued ......... I do remember being on-course in the US when it was required.

.................. apart from bracketing, the options include allowing only two runners from the one stable.

The issues can also be addressed by the stewards properly investigating 'rough results' where it is clear that more than the close connections were alerted to likely 'goers' and 'whoas'.

Such investigations could be almost automated .............. there would be sequences of the same punters getting 'lucky' ....... not least with account betting but not forgetting CCTV for the 'luckys' putting big bets on at TABs identified as being used.

.. we know Betfair has cooperated before ........... how about Tabcorp and the other 'corporates'?


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« 2020-Dec-24, 09:20 AM Reply #548 »
There is a real push in parts of USA racing of ridding the use of Lasix.
Not only in it's raceday use but now NYRA have banned it's use within 48 hrs  in Stakes races conducted at their tracks from Jan 1st 2021.  emthup

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/NYRA_latest_to_ban_Lasix_from_all_stakes_races_in_2021_123




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« 2021-Jan-02, 02:45 PM Reply #549 »
The owners of Order Again have turned to C Waller to get a result for them......must be very frustrating owning him.
Order Again has always look like a good horse but with all the hanging he does he also looks like a horse with a lot of soundness issues.

As well as applying the 'Waller Veterinary Science', C Waller has also applied the Norton Bit to the horse......it's a pretty severe bit of gear.....interesting to how he races in it.

Broken all of my rules in regard early betting around the Waller stable to have a bit of the $26.....certainly not recommending it :no:, it's just the mug punter in me.
Should like the soft Randwick surface tomorrow.
Showed a bit of his class today.......Order Again


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