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Offline Villa

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« 2021-Jan-02, 06:38 PM Reply #550 »
 :Bahahahah, “ Waller Veterinary Science”............. one day they will catch him, just like the “un catchable” Darren Weir.

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« 2021-Jan-02, 08:35 PM Reply #551 »



CW pulls some rabbits out of the hat

.............  punters need to know a lot more about what goes on there ................and the stewards should be ensuring they do.

Racing, a national gambling entertainment, seems to revel in the myth of the 'astute trainer getting one ready on the day' ...............

This is, of course, bullshit  ................ one is got ready, under the radar ............. a few insiders are given the 'go' ............  milking most punters, being not fair play, belies the hype about 'integrity'.


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« 2021-Jan-02, 09:15 PM Reply #552 »
one is got ready, under the radar ............. a few insiders are given the 'go'

Reckon you will be better off if you stop thinking that some sort of skulduggery is involved whenever a horse wins first up. It can happen for a variety of valid reasons.

Also, not sure that it can be regarded as "under the radar" when the horses publicly parade for at least ten minutes before the race, which anybody can view live at the track or via sky channel before betting. 

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« 2021-Jan-02, 10:49 PM Reply #553 »
Just like when Humidor paraded in front of the public when having his first start under Waller at Moonee Valley in the Feehan a few months back. The horse went from Lindsay Smith’s stable in W.A (where best he could manage was beaten 3.5 lengths twice, and 7.5 lengths in a couple of GR3’s) straight to Wallers Melbourne stable where he wins a GR2 first up (never won first up in 8 previous attempts). Remember, all this was achieved by the trainer not physically laying an eye or a hand on the horse.
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« 2021-Jan-02, 11:40 PM Reply #554 »
I personally think Waller is a good trainer. He has a lot of horses and has done well from a decade ago. Like many things in life, sometimes the better horse does not win due to luck, barrier and rides etc when he has multiple runners. If he keeps his strike rate of G1 winners up, he will surpass Tommy if he remains in the training caper Igor next 20 years.

People might want to read below before making comments on him.

https://www.slatergordon.com.au/blog/defamation/social-media-and-defamation

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« 2021-Jan-03, 10:51 AM Reply #555 »
Diuretics are banned for very good reasons in sport.
When C Waller openly admitted his stables use of the potent diuretic Lasix.....he became a rare breed.
After that he is asking people to trust him that he won't use Lasix for it's masking qualities.....doesn't really work like that does it?
What can he sue for?
I would urge horse lovers to read up on Lasix emthdown.....real move against it in the US

When Order Again won the Grand Prix a few years ago I thought "cup horse".....looked like Brian Smith has a very special horse.
Scratched from the Derby with an injury and only raced sparingly since.
Showed some of the old quality yesterday 1st up on the soft surface.....that was easy.....just a bit sad that you have to wonder about these things.
I used my boost on him so I shouldn't complain.
Order Again only had 1 trial but there was some impressive stuff from him after the line.

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« 2021-Jan-03, 01:39 PM Reply #556 »
Good luck banning Lasix when you’ve got Wallers best mate and partner in crime, Richard Callander in his back pocket. Callander didn’t get the push into the CEO of the NSW Trainers Association by Waller for nothing. Remember how Callander and Liam Prior took a hit for the Lil Caesar “incident” and Waller was untouched?

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« 2021-Jan-03, 02:03 PM Reply #557 »


Illustrate 'understatement' ........... I personally think Waller is a good trainer

CW is a lot more than good ............. on current form he will be a legend in his lifetime.

Has anyone else gone close to doing what CW has done so far?

Even so the dominance of the CW stable in some races -- by number of runners -- begs the question of can more than three win? ........... and why are 'too many' there? ..............

..............and lingering, there is the question of a national industry still steeped in the lore of the sting ............. all punters need to know more............ not just some.


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« 2021-Jan-03, 02:15 PM Reply #558 »
Good trainers shouldn't need to use Lasix

Some "winning" trainers might......sadly.

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« 2021-Jan-03, 03:42 PM Reply #559 »
I backed Order Again yesterday....why wouldn’t you?


Mair didn’t  and squeals. Why not  Peter?

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« 2021-Jan-03, 08:42 PM Reply #560 »

Illustrate 'understatement' ........... I personally think Waller is a good trainer

CW is a lot more than good ............. on current form he will be a legend in his lifetime.

Has anyone else gone close to doing what CW has done so far?


TJ did and he did it a lot harder in some ways. He did not have the same transport and medicine available as now. He built up his stable from scratch too. Also back in TJ’s days, state rivalry was ridiculously biased too.

TJ’s biography is a good read. So’s Bart’s.


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« 2021-Feb-02, 12:24 PM Reply #561 »
There is a bit of a move going on away from Lasix.....at least a start and quite rightly so.
https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/latest-racing-news/important-notice-to-trainers-and-veterinarians-prohibited-substances-detected-at-official-barrier-trials/

Certainly wouldn't know about it if you relied on any Murdoch "enterprises" for your racing "facts".
Chris Roots even got a comment from a very committed Lasix man Chris Waller.

Speaking with a bit of a forked tongue Chris Waller had this to offer"It's a rule that had to change to move with modern times and expectations"
Going to require a bit of "adjusting" according to Chris and then goes off on his "precaution" and "prevention" nonsense.
Seems that the Waller man can't even just take a horse for a bit of practice without a bit of Lasix.

Thumbs up for Chris Roots from the Sydney Morning Herald.   emthup

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« 2021-Feb-02, 01:52 PM Reply #562 »
Is there anybody out there that can explain to me what C Waller actually means with "moving with modern times and expectations"?

I've followed racing for over 50 years and never, ever would I think that it's ok to send horses to trial with any of the aforementioned drugs in them.
It's not "modern thinking" Chris......that expectation has always been there......it's what make horse racing on the nose to many.
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« 2021-Feb-02, 02:23 PM Reply #563 »
Stable staff quit after ‘out of control’ racing party Racenet Report
Stable staff quit after ‘out of control’ racing party


Leading trainer Chris Waller. Pictu Mark Evans/Getty Images
Ray Thomas, Racing Editor
12:44PM02 February 2021

Racing Queensland stewards are investigating serious allegations of misconduct by some stable staff of leading trainer Chris Waller’s Gold Coast satellite stable.

Radio 2GB broadcaster Ray Hadley broke the news on his morning show today.

There are allegations two stable staff were involved in an altercation at a celebration last Wednesday following the win of the Waller-trained Shaquero in the Magic Millions 2yo Classic at the Gold Coast racecourse last month.

It is understood the stewards investigation will include an inquiry into allegations of illicit drug use.

Racing Queensland stewards are understood to be preparing to interview stable foreman Paul Shailer and trackwork rider Paul Hamersley.

Waller, the nation’s leading trainer, was not at the Magic Millions race day or the Gold Coast stable celebration.

Waller released a statement this morning confirming that an incident had taken place between members of his Gold Coast stable last week revealing that two of his staff have since resigned.


Hugh Bowman rides Shaquero to victory in the Magic Millions. Pictu Trackside Photography

“There has been speculation that there was a party that got out of hand on the Gold Coast involving stable staff on the evening of Wednesday the 27th January,’’ Waller said.

“As this incident was outside of work hours, I haven’t made comment in relation to this until today.

“I can confirm that some of these staff were from my stable and have been stood down as a result of this incident which did include a physical altercation between two people who have resigned immediately.

“Due to the incident being outside of work hours, we have to be careful how the matter is handled and therefore a thorough investigation is continuing.

“All of our 140 staff across Australia are randomly drug tested which included all of our staff present on Monday the 25th of January at the Gold Coast, who subsequently provided negative drug and alcohol samples. I can assure all my loyal clients that it will be business as usual at my Gold Coast operation.

“I am proud of the staff that currently work for Chris Waller Racing and they will always be supported through various issues whether it be work related or not, but a zero drug and alcohol policy will continue to be enforced.’’

Related Topics: QLD Trainers

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« 2021-Feb-02, 02:48 PM Reply #564 »
Wouldn’t expect Waller to be too concerned. He welcomed Liam Prior back into the fold and is still besties with Richard Callander after the three of them tried ripping off the owners of L’il Caesar.

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« 2021-Feb-02, 04:33 PM Reply #565 »
 Its worth a little revisit all these years on .....the Lil Caesar tale.
Apologies to anyone who may have already shared this.....a surprise it still exists.
https://www.punters.com.au/news/Lil-Caesar%3A-A-tale-of-treachery-and-intrigue_144268/

I picked up on C Waller saying that Lil Caesar was "made" to win the trial....."without looking too obvious"
I thought I'd check out how a horse is "made" to win.
The  video of the "made to win trial" from Oct 2014 has disappeared from RNSW  :chin: :chin:.
Yet the May 2014 trial still remains. :what:
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« 2021-Feb-02, 05:19 PM Reply #566 »
I found it absolutely strange that Richie managed to get the position of CEO of the NSW Trainer’s association. Nothing against him but with any CEO position, there is a massive probity check. Any whiff of scandal in the past and most companies do not touch unless they are proven money makers.

Racing always forgives people where certain industries ban.

Nothing against Richie but he does parrot a lot of V’landys and goes against Vic a lot.  It will be interesting to see if it is a job for life with Richie.






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« 2021-Feb-02, 06:02 PM Reply #567 »
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« 2021-Feb-02, 07:26 PM Reply #568 »


...................... all this is a bit unseemly .............. especially the dust-up at the Gold Coast

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« 2021-Feb-02, 07:34 PM Reply #569 »
Fox sports had below story which alleges there were missing drugs and then being found which was accompanied by alleged punishment. If the allegations are true, surprised the police were not called.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/horse-racing/chris-waller-staff-resign-after-drugfuelled-party-physical-altercation-investigation-horse-racing-news-2021/news-story/dc4682e373cbc22415c2edcc6e4ace2a

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« 2021-Feb-02, 08:35 PM Reply #570 »
What a cop out !! So the usual cretins at Racing Queensland want to interview the foreman and the track work rider.! Hello why not the trainer ? Remains a protected koala. I bet if it was any other Gold Coast trainer they would be on the mat -and rightfully so.

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« 2021-Feb-03, 08:41 AM Reply #571 »
Fighting was not horsing around CM story today

RAY THOMAS

Stable party fallout

TWO senior stable staff from leading trainer Chris Waller’s Gold Coast satellite stable have resigned amid serious allegations of misconduct.

Racing Queensland stewards are investigating the allegations after a celebration following the win of the Waller-trained Shaquero in the $2m Magic Millions 2yo Classic is said to have “got out of hand” last Wednesday.

Mr Waller’s stable foreman Paul Shailer and trackwork rider Paul Hammersley have tendered their resignations.

It is alleged the two men were involved in a physical altercation that left both requiring medical treatment.

It is understood the stewards’ investigation will include an inquiry into allegations of illicit drug use.

Mr Shailer, a long-term Waller stable employee, would not comment when contacted.

Racing Queensland stewards also refused to comment on the incident, but did confirm that they have asked Mr Shailer and Mr Hammersley to attend a stewards inquiry on February 10.

Mr Waller – the nation’s leading trainer and a member of racing’s elite Hall of Fame

– was not at the Magic Millions race day on January 16 or the Gold Coast stable celebration last month, and is not under investigation.

Mr Waller, famous as the trainer of all-time great Winx, released a statement yesterday confirming that an incident had taken place between members of his Gold Coast stable last week, revealing that two of his staff had since resigned.

“There has been speculation that there was a party that got out of hand on the Gold Coast involving stable staff on the evening of Wednesday, the 27th January,’’ Mr Waller said.

“As this incident was outside of work hours, I haven’t made comment in relation to this until today.

“I can confirm that some of these staff were from my stable and have been stood down as a result of this incident, which did include a physical altercation between two people who have resigned immediately.

“All of our 140 staff across Australia are randomly drugtested, which included all of our staff present on Monday the 25th of January at the Gold Coast, who subsequently provided negative drug and alcohol samples. I can assure all my loyal clients that it will be business as usual at my Gold Coast operation.

Queensland Racing’s Crime Squad has also begun its own investigation into the fracas.

Racing NSW chief steward Marc Van Gestel said stewards regularly conducted random drug-tests of stable staff in NSW Racing.

Mr Van Gestel said some of the larger training operations, including the Waller stable, also do their own in-house drug-testing and provide stewards with their results.

“The Chris Waller stable is very proactive in that regard and other big stables around NSW do the same thing,” he said. Stewards were also focused on rehabilitation for drug users and provide penalty discounts for those offenders who agree to attend counselling, Mr Van Gestel said.

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« 2021-Feb-04, 08:34 AM Reply #572 »
You would put your last dollar that Ray Hadley's source was Archie Butterfly.
Archie's account would make the most sense.

Sad that it takes a big mouth Sydney shock-jock to set the PR Dept. of RNSW into chorus.
Lead vocals by Ray Thomas of course.....protecting their favourite son.
All so obviously choreographed.

It's way too easy to cast Paul Shailer as just a "foreman" or "stable employee" :what:
Paul was a foreman in Sydney for C Waller for years.....went back to NZ to run his own stable (not sure what happened there???)
Been the boss on the Gold Coast stable for a while...all well and good demanding that the staff be drug and alcohol free.

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« 2021-Feb-04, 11:58 AM Reply #573 »
Nemesis, the fact that Foxsports aired a lot more in their story than the racing industry speaks volumes of how the racing media handles controversies and not just Waller.

When you have Racing bodies buying media space and pay for a lot of advertising says a lot for independence.

When the Four Corners report got aired, the industry got rattled and parts of it went on the attack. Many attacked the ABC including people on this forum so it was shoot the messenger type.

Unfortunately money talks and not just in racing. If you are a media representative in any sports, you cannot annoy officials / participants or you will have a short career.

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« 2021-Feb-04, 01:12 PM Reply #574 »
And what a sad old predicament that means for the magnificent animal the thoroughbred is Jeunes
Do you want to explain the meaning of "greater good" to the racing industry or shall I?

Hammersley gets his face smashed and a house gets trashed yet the joke of a journalist Ray Thomas is, describes it as a "fracas'
Of all the words at his disposal  .....he chooses that :what: :what:
Archie described it as rage.....who are you believing?

Off topic but just finished reading a piece about another charming sounding "racing character" Sean Buckley in today's Herald.
Ultra Thoroughbred Racing has control of 250 horses. :sad:
Racing really can attract the best people ......can't it? :no:


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