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Offline Jeunes

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« 2021-Feb-04, 04:23 PM Reply #575 »
And what a sad old predicament that means for the magnificent animal the thoroughbred is Jeunes
Do you want to explain the meaning of "greater good" to the racing industry or shall I?

Hammersley gets his face smashed and a house gets trashed yet the joke of a journalist Ray Thomas is, describes it as a "fracas'
Of all the words at his disposal  .....he chooses that :what: :what:
Archie described it as rage.....who are you believing?

Off topic but just finished reading a piece about another charming sounding "racing character" Sean Buckley in today's Herald.
Ultra Thoroughbred Racing has control of 250 horses. :sad:
Racing really can attract the best people ......can't it? :no:

Nemesis, I think you missed the point with my post. What ABC did was show the hypocrisy of parts of our racing industry with the cruelty and got hammered by certain industry members and even members of this forum.

That has always been the way of racing people. Look at the Everest Opera House saga, most racing people did not venture an opinion.

As I have stated many a time, racing is one of the few industries where you can commit fraud, bet on horses you are riding against, animal cruelty etc but still get welcomed back to the fold of nothing happens.

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« 2021-Feb-04, 05:33 PM Reply #576 »
I take your point Jeunes....it's been made before.
Anyway I think the Waller man right now will be grateful to Tony Vasil and Sean Buckley. :what:

Chris might have to share 2nd billing!

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« 2021-Feb-05, 07:06 AM Reply #577 »
Below is the reference to Tony Vasil. There is cctv footage from 2gb is listed too. Ray Hadley broke the news again.

Vílandys and the stewards must do a good job in NSW of keeping racing clean as we never see incidents like this in the media or any positive drug tests or bribery here.   :lol:

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/trainer-tony-vasil-involved-in-magic-millions-incident-with-grandmother-20210204

https://www.2gb.com/cctv-racing-identity-caught-allegedly-assaulting-women-in-gold-coast-pub/

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« 2021-Feb-09, 05:06 PM Reply #578 »
Waller Qld stable fracas inquiry will be conducted behind close doors. Quite strange police are not involved if there are alleged assault and drug issues.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/stewards-inquiry-into-waller-stable-staff-closed-to-media-20210209

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« 2021-Feb-11, 09:23 AM Reply #579 »
After the win of Head Of State yesterday, the cosy after race chat with Richard Haynes quickly got around to the horse's sire American Pharoah.
C Waller told Richard meeting Bob Baffert (American Pharoah's trainer) was one of highlights of his life. :what: :what:

How does a man with multiple drug violations carry this "rock star status"?
In an industry that allows the use of diuretics it is absolutely mind boggling how any one could possibly have so many violations.
In a world where there is no proper test for EPO.....only Baffert would say "he's  not even puffing", after the win of Authentic in the Kentucky Derby.
Short racing careers and many horse deaths around him as well......including Arrogate at 7 (undetermined illness???).

A legend???....When I see him.....I just see a cheat!


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« 2021-Feb-12, 01:20 PM Reply #580 »
It always makes me wonder when you hear a trainer talk about the long hrs, chasing money off owners, the price of feed, night racing, problems in getting staff, poor facilities, and everything else that goes with the job, why when you get a break/holiday, would you fly to another country and spend it at a racetrack?. Especially in a jurisdiction that is known for openly using drugs on the thoroughbred, and with a trainer who obviously uses drugs on his thoroughbreds. Wouldnít Tahiti, or Whistler be nicer? A complete break away from the scene for a week or two? ...... Like Iíve stated many times before. Take the Lasix and the Altrenogest out of Wallers stable and you would soon find that his winners to runners percentage would fall through the floorboards.

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« 2021-Feb-12, 05:02 PM Reply #581 »

Getting one ready: Lasix and Altrenogest among other things


...... are such supplements, subject to 'delayed non-detection' guidelines, widely used in Sydney and Melbourne ................ does their use have to be notified to stewards ........ or, after previously being used, does their non-use have to be notified

Ring-ins in Melbourne jump-outs is one thing to be jumped on hard ..... but we also see well-tried horses pull a single, out of character, run against all public expectations, often first-up and with no indicative trial form.

......... the punters do not like this .....nor do they understand why some disclosure of 'stable expectations' is not required

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« 2021-Feb-12, 06:13 PM Reply #582 »
It always makes me wonder when you hear a trainer talk about the long hrs, chasing money off owners, the price of feed, night racing, problems in getting staff, poor facilities, and everything else that goes with the job, why when you get a break/holiday, would you fly to another country and spend it at a racetrack?. Especially in a jurisdiction that is known for openly using drugs on the thoroughbred, and with a trainer who obviously uses drugs on his thoroughbreds. Wouldnít Tahiti, or Whistler be nicer? A complete break away from the scene for a week or two? ...... Like Iíve stated many times before. Take the Lasix and the Altrenogest out of Wallers stable and you would soon find that his winners to runners percentage would fall through the floorboards.

Screams , Smith / Waterhouse / Sykes and sums up my thoughts exactly .

Nice thoughtful post Villa ! 

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« 2021-Feb-12, 09:20 PM Reply #583 »
Much ado about nothing. Canít see what Waller did wrong.
Did he throw a punch?

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« 2021-Feb-13, 08:08 AM Reply #584 »
Much ado about nothing. Canít see what Waller did wrong.
Did he throw a punch?
I hope he didn't throw a punch, Wily :what: :what:

I think the Waller man only extended his hand  to Baffert and quoted a bit of Mick Jagger.
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
 ;) ;)

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« 2021-Mar-28, 02:44 PM Reply #585 »
With Very Elegantís win, Waller is upto 9 G1 wins for the racing year with Very Elegant knocking up her 5th for racing year.

Waller is about 4 behind Lee Freedman in the all time records.

Waller still has some live chances left with Very Elegant, Nature Strip, Hungry Heart etc for rest of the carnival.

However it will be interesting to see how long Waller can remain on top of the G1 trainer charts as he has been the leading trainer from 2012-13 races by year. That is 9 years including this year.

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« 2021-Mar-31, 07:22 PM Reply #586 »
The latest on the Waller stable incident in Queensland after MM win. Seems no illicit drugs were not consumed or present.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/integrity-officials-to-lay-no-charges-over-chris-waller-gold-coast-stable-staff-party-20210330

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« 2021-Apr-01, 10:43 PM Reply #587 »
Will he take VE to the ARC?

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« 2021-Apr-03, 09:47 PM Reply #588 »
Waller gets another G1 win today with Hungry Heart to hit 10 G1 wins for the racing year. It will be interesting to see how he fares in next 2-3 weeks at the Championships.


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« 2021-Apr-08, 01:49 PM Reply #589 »
Waller Qld stable fracas inquiry will be conducted behind close doors. Quite strange police are not involved if there are alleged assault and drug issues.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/stewards-inquiry-into-waller-stable-staff-closed-to-media-20210209

Hard to understand the reasoning behind the decision firstly to hold it as a closed inquiry and secondly why they ignored AR 228Conduct detrimental to the interests of racing
 which provides ...........A person must not engage in
:(a)conduct prejudicial to the image, interests, integrity, or welfare of racing, whether or not that conduct takes place within a racecourse or elsewhere.

According to a QRIC statement intending to validate the stewards inquiry...nothing to see here......it was reported that the incident did not occur during a race meeting or on a racecourse so it's all OK .......obviously the reports of drug use and personal violence by one person against  another would be capable of being perceived by any reasonable observer  as detrimental to the interests ,integrity or welfare of racing......yet there's no finding of fault by those charged with applying the rules.

Waller is not involved and  two of his staff members resigned after this fracas..............one of whom has found alternative employment with another stable.....no news as far as the rider is concerned or his current job prospects.

Not a good look for Qld racing integrity.


Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2021-Apr-10, 10:15 PM Reply #590 »
Waller won another G1 win today with Nature Strip to take his season total to 11.

He has a few live chances left for rest of the season so will be interesting to see where he finishes for the year.

It will be intriguing to see what he does with Nature Strip for rest of the season especially with Brisbane carnival just around the corner and the Everest in about 6 months time.

Waller has a few rising 2yos for next season but more probably his established stars will be leading the way next season again.





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« 2021-Apr-11, 11:05 AM Reply #591 »
I see that Masaff, who was supported, had 'a degree of Exercise Induced Pulmonary Haemorrhage' after the Bendigo Cup on Wednesday as well.
Interesting term 'a degree' because an endoscopy examination can rate the level of blood in the trachea from 0 to 3.......i.e., 4 levels.

From what I have seen from previous Stewards' Reports, horses that bleed following a poor performance are pretty much finished as racing prospects.
On that basis.......Humidor at 8 yrs of age and $4.5 mil. in the bank should be retired.
More than happy to see some evidence to convince me otherwise.

https://haygainaustralia.com/blogs/news-and-events/lung-bleeding-eiph-in-horses-it-s-not-only-racehorses
While it's fair enough to highlight the winners, some of C Waller's losers are worth a mention as well.

Masaff had his 3rd run since a "lung bleed" yesterday and didn't look that flash going over the line......12 lengths last :o
You would think a horse with a bleed in it's history, performing like that, might just have Stewards sending a Vet to check on the horse's welfare.
Doesn't appear to be so.....not even a follow up. :what:

Looks to be some double standards at work here especially when you read the charges against Bryce Stanaway.

I see C Waller's former high class mare Egg Tart is listed as deceased.....don't know how she died but 7 years is young.

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« 2021-Apr-12, 08:05 AM Reply #592 »
The problem Nemesis is that we will never truly know how many racehorses die early or retire into the sunset n a paddock.

Unfortunately when trainers like Waller are involved in any deaths or incidents, they seemed to be publicly demonised by some. Unless there is proof, it is libellous at times.

Smaller trainers who get done donít have the same numbers as the major trainers. If you look at some of the penalties for the major trainers, it usually involves staff stuffing up etc as big trainers rarely get involved with the feeding or training each individually. Some give instructions and act like CEOs with the stable foreman doing majority of the duties a small trainer does.






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« 2021-Apr-18, 09:54 AM Reply #593 »
Waller notched another 2 G1 winners yesterday with Salerno in the Sydney Cup and Hungry Heart in the Oaks. However he will be ruing Very Elegantís second in the QE stakes to Adeyaab. Waller takes his G1 tally to 13 for the season and next highest is around 5.

The question is how long can he maintain this strike rate. It is fair to say he probably will be trying to win some G1 races with Nature Strip in Qld but donít see anything else unless he has saved a couple to target the winter carnival.


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« 2021-Apr-24, 06:53 PM Reply #594 »
Waller got another G1 winner with Kollding today and a couple of well backed winners too around the country plus his usual long shot coming in and favourite going under.

Mixed bag today but he is killing them in the G1 wins.

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« 2021-May-04, 09:08 PM Reply #598 »


I am well over Chris Waller.

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« 2021-May-05, 10:41 AM Reply #599 »
Re the retrospective group 1 discussed in https://www.racenet.com.au/news/revision-of-feature-records-has-tommy-smith-and-bart-cummings-to-each-have-246-group-1-wins-20210503 above.

I once thought I was about the only one trying to tie the modern concept of group racing to history for comparative purposes.  I love the passion but it is now part of thoroughbred folklore so nothing will change the restrospective group 1 as it is now a widely used yardstick. 

True madness is france-galop (the official French racing body) converting French franc earnings into euros.  There have been old francs, new francs  and completely hopeless francs  over the last hundred years.  I sometimes include them in earnings records just because I can despite it being largely meaningless.  The french franc only means anything for statistical purposes if a horse actually raced in France and forex calcs are required to convert it into GBP, USD etc. 

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